Do you believe in equality?
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superstring01
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Before the law? Yes.
But humans are rarely equal.
~String
But humans are rarely equal.
~String
Equal what?
I agree, which is why your OP question really can't be answered in the form that it's in. And if I was still forced to answer it, I'd have to say no. All people aren't created equal. Most people were created equivalently*, but not equal.
*in the sense that they have two arms, two legs, a body, a head, ability to reproduce, mobility, intelligence and ability to survive.
You can't leave it open ended, it's way too general.
And can you elaborate on how 'asking what we believe in' correlates to equality of humans? I'm not quite following.
Its very simple. If you hear the statement, people are equal, under what circumstances do you agree and disagree.
For example, if I am asked, I think all people are equal as human beings, because all people belong to the same species. So like string, I believe in equality of opportunity, justice as well as social reform to reduce the gap between those whose opportunities are restricted by social circumstances.
However, I do not believe that all people are the same and I see no reason why they should be.
For example, if I am asked, I think all people are equal as human beings, because all people belong to the same species. So like string, I believe in equality of opportunity, justice as well as social reform to reduce the gap between those whose opportunities are restricted by social circumstances.
However, I do not believe that all people are the same and I see no reason why they should be.
Ok. That's a bit clearer. You're thinking more along the lines of human rights/socio-economic terms. I was thinking more in the physical/biological terms.
While I agree with you, I don't see that happening anytime soon. There is too much greed, gluttony, arrogance and selfishness out there for that to happen anytime in the near future.
I think it starts with religion; in the sense that ALL religions will have to become tolerant, accepting and understanding of all other religions, or lack thereof, before equality of justice and social reform take place.
We cannot have one religion trying to bully and condescend other religions (and athiests) simultaneously existing with equality. If everyone can't tolerate one another w/o trying to eradicate the other simply because of their beliefs/skin color, etc., then it will never get better.
What do you think about that?
I think we're on the same page now.l
I think religion adds to diversity and is the basis of the notion of social justice in all societies, which we have been building on, so I disagree with you.e.g.
"And mankind is naught but a single nation." Holy Quran 2:213
is an idea that was revolutionary in its time.
"And mankind is naught but a single nation." Holy Quran 2:213
is an idea that was revolutionary in its time.
Well since I was saying that religions MUST be tolerant of one another, and NOT saying that religion needs to be eliminated altogether, I'd say we're saying the same thing.
Unless...you think that all the current bickering, fighting and warring amonst religions will fit well with your idea of equality. It won't.
You cannot have the equality you speak of while Christians, Jews and Muslims are trying to kill one another. It's only when all three* become 100% tolerant of one another, that equality can exist like it should.
*This goes for all beliefs, not just those three, who I was using as an example.
Depends upon what type of equality your talking about. Could you be more specific, thanks. Equality as far as every nation having everything equal wouldn't be possible if that is what you are referring to.
Then as long as what you've stated above keeps happening, your idea of equality (which is a good one otherwise, btw.) cannot exist.
How can anyone have social, judicial equality when people are fighting over basic needs such as water, land shelter, etc.? When and only when you solve the 'root of the problem', then you can address issues like equality.
An ideal is usually called an "ideal" because it's usually viewed as completely unworkable in the realities of the world.
Work toward it? How? If it's so unworkable, what can one do to "work toward it"?
Believe in that ideal? Sure, why not. I believe in the ideal that all women of the world should by between 16 and 19, slim, trim, sexy, cute, willing and able! No fat, ugly women. No overly smart women. So, yeah, go ahead a believe in your ideals ....they can be fun.
Baron Max
Interesting view, Luke. And if you really believe that, then why do you have so many disagreements with others on this site? And worse, why are continually telling those others that they're ignorant or stupid, while holding yourself out to be soooooo much smarter?
Baron Max
An ideal is usually called an "ideal" because it's usually viewed as completely unworkable in the realities of the world.
Work toward it? How? If it's so unworkable, what can one do to "work toward it"?
Believe in that ideal? Sure, why not. I believe in the ideal that all women of the world should by between 16 and 19, slim, trim, sexy, cute, willing and able! No fat, ugly women. No overly smart women. So, yeah, go ahead a believe in your ideals ....they can be fun.
Baron Max
There you go Baron, conflating equality with sameness. Just because I consider myself your equal I don't expect you to develop gynecomastia.