Disguised code in Drosnin's Bible code

[Daniel]

I believe the anomalies in The Bible code, ie. the predicted assassination of Prime Minister Netanyahu
and the mismatch of gender between ' third ' and
'world war ' were signs indicating to look and think
deeply about the code itself, thought times six
as the code suggests. I believe the chapter and
verse locations of the skip sequence Bible code listed in
Michael Drosnin's book ' The Bible Code ' is part of the
Bible code itself.
This includes
- a direct conversion to Gregorian years by straight addition
of the chapter and verse numbers
eg. Exodus 19 : 12 to 1912 to 1912 AD

- a switch of chapter and verse numbers before addition
eg. Isaiah 65 : 18 to 1865 to 1865 AD

- other methods as well.

By following this through the questions / uncertainties that arise from the code after a first glance then
dissappear and a code that bluffs a third world war emerges.

' Prime Minister Netanyahu ' is encoded once, from Exodus 19 :12 to Deuteronomy 4 :47.

' 9th of Av is the day of the Third ' appears in the hidden text of Numbers 19 :12 with ' World War ' and the
ancient name for Jerusalem ' Ariel '.


Exodus 19 :12 Netanyahu
Numbers 19 :12 Third / World War
Although the encodings are in different Books of the Bible the chapter and verse numbers are the same,
19 :12. These are the only times 19 :12 appears as
chapter and verse locations for the skip sequence code
in ' Notes on Illustrations'.
Exodus Numbers
x marks the spot ie. numbers

19 : 12 converts to 1912 converts to 1912 AD.

1912 AD British liner Titanic sinks.
At Piltdown in Southeast England
' Piltdown Man ' is discovered, a human skull
with an ape-like jaw
( exposed as a forgery years later )

forgery ( making of ) forged document.
forge make or write in
fraudulent imition
fraud dishonest trick, criminal deception

Max von Laue demonstates that crystals
are composed of regular, repeated
arrays of atoms.

note. The Bible code was decoded using arrays.


Both ' in 5760 ' and ' in 5766 ', the years 2000 and 2006 in the modern calendar, are encoded with ' World War ' in Deuteronomy 11 : 14 & 11: 15
( The Bible Code p.189 )
Deuteronomy 11 : 14
11 : 14
1114
1114 AD

1114 AD Tower of Victory built by Mas'ud III at
Ghazni.
Earliest record of the great international
fairs of Champagne, at Bar-sur-Aube
and Troyes.

summary World War 1114 Tower of Victory,
Champagne


I believe the words and positions of the skip sequence Bible code have been chosen with precision so that
the full code is much larger and of a different theme
than appears initially. The code links together like a chain. There is a contents list and summary at the end
of this post. There are words that are encoded more
than once, some are encoded three times in close proximity.

Libya
The name ' Libya ' appears three times with ' atomic holocaust ',once crossing those words, and twice
more on the same line, appearing all three times
in Exodus 34 : 6 - 7.
( The Bible Code p.184 )

delayed
' Death, July to Amman ' stated the full hidden text that crossed his name. The word ' delayed ' appeared
right above. ' Delayed ' appeared twice more with
' Prime Minister Netanyahu '..........
( The Bible Code p.124 )

Booth
' A .Lincoln ' is encoded twice, in Genesis and Deuteronomy. The name of his assassin, ' Booth '
appears three times in one verse of the Bible that
crosses ' Lincoln '.
( The Bible Code p.81 )

delayed Libya Booth
delayed Libya Booth
delayed Libya Booth


US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by J W Booth on 14 April 1865.The Hutchinson Chronology
of World History, Compact Edition, the history book
I use, lists three people named Booth in its index :-

Booth, Charles 1891
Booth, J W 1865
Booth, William 1865, 1878

J W Booth assassin
William Booth founder of the Salvation Army
Charles Booth Life and Labour of the People in
London
The code could also be pointing at the years 1865, 1878, 1891.

1865 Abraham Lincoln assassinated.
Oct 18th Lord Palmerston dies and Lord John
Russell becomes Prime Minister.
( another will die )
Dec 10th Leopold I of Belgium dies.

1878 Swan's carbon filament lamp ( lightbulb )
Earliest electric street lighting in London
( electricity )

1891 O Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray
( mentioned in the 1977 film ' Oh, God ! ' )

Now looking for a connection, the words ' delayed ' and ' Libya ' both
include the letters ' l ', ' a ' and ' y '.

delayed anagram lay deed times 3
Libya anagram lay bi times 3


The Little Oxford Dictionary lists the word ' deed ' on page 141. The code could be pointing to words close to
'deed' in the dictionary. Pages 140 and 141 include
the words decipher, declassify, decode, decoy,
deduce and deep.

The name ' Bibi ' is in the code. Times six would round up the numbers to give ' Bibi ' three times. The word
'computer' appears six times in the plain text of the
Bible, hidden within the Hebrew word for ' thought '.
( The Bible Code p.69 )

Booth Libya delayed

th e the
B ib l e Bible

oo L Loo
ya d ay d day day

( See ' Watergate ' )

Tut
Syria's allies are named : ' Persia ' and ' Phut ' , countries that are now called Iran and Libya.
( The Bible Code p.103 )

Libya Phut t
Libya Phut u
Libya Phut t

Nu ( Nut )
' Tunnel ' is encoded with the same skip sequence as
' Holocaust of Israel ', running parallel to it from
Exodus 17 : 2 to Numbers 14 : 36
( The Bible Code p. 193 )
tunnel anagram nut nel
Nu ( or Nut ) was an Egyptian sky goddess
Numbers 14 : 36
1436
1436 AD Fei Hsin, Hsing-cha-sheng-Ian ( Description
of the Star Raft; eye-witness account of
Cheng Ho's voyages )

Moon ( mun )
' Man on Moon ' is encoded from Numbers 19 : 20 to Numbers 27 : 1. 'Spaceship' crosses it, encoded in
Numbers 22 : 2
( The Bible Code p.182 )

A link between Nu and moon
Tunnel Exodus 17 : 2
17 2 in reverse 271
27 : 1
Man on Moon Numbers 27 : 1

Man on Moon Numbers 19 : 20
Numbers 22 : 25
add the chapter numbers together 19 and 22 giving 1922.

1922 AD ( 4th Nov ) Howard Carter, supported by Lord
Carnarvon, discovers the tomb of Pharaoh Tutankhamun at Luxor, the only ancient Egyptian
Pharaoh's tomb discovered complete with grave goods.

Aug 22nd Michael Collins, prime minister of
the Irish provisional government, killed by
Republican ambush in west Cork.

' It will be after the death of the Prime Minister '
( The Bible Code p.184 )

This is referring to the discovery of Tutankhamun's grave not a Third World War. ' The next war' encoded
below 'It will be after....' refers to a war that is
already over.

Tutankhamun anagram Tu tankha mun
tanakh Tu mun

Tanakh
' Bible code ' is encoded again from
Deuteronomy 12 : 11
to Deuteronomy 12 : 17.
The Hebrew word used here for ' Bible ' is ' Tanakh ' which means the entire Old Testament.
( The Bible Code p.194 )

Deuteronomy 12 : 11
Deuteronomy 12 : 17
Adding both chapters together 12 : 12

' Sealed before God ' appears in Deuteronomy 12 : 12
( The Bible Code p.194 )

switching chapter and verse numbers
The position of the skip sequence code of ' Shoemaker-Levy ' is very interesting. ' Shoemaker-Levy ', the name
of the comet that struck Jupiter, is encoded starting at
Genesis 19 : 38 and ending at Genesis 38 : 19.
( The Bible Code p.182 )
The chapter and verse numbers of the start of the encoding, when switched give the ending position
of the encoding, ie chapter and verse in reverse.
The first chapter number is half the numerical value
of the first verse number, this also highlights other
chapter and verse numbers that have a simple
numeric relationship. ' It was made by computer' is
encoded in Exodus 32 : 16 - 17. I believe the
Shoemaker-Levy code is telling us to switch some of the chapter and verse numbers before converting to a Gregorian year.

' Shoemaker-Levy ' to Genesis 38 : 19
switch 38 : 19
1938 AD Adolf Hitler annexes the Sudetenland,
Munich conference.
Kristallnacht ( ' Crystal Night ' ) Jewish
houses, synagogues and schools burn
down. ( fire )
Frank Lloyd Wright, Taliesin West, Phoenix
Arizona, USA.
( Wright )

' Japan ' appears in Leviticus 14 : 18
( The Bible Code p.191 )
switch 14 : 18
1814
1814 AD April 11th Napoleon abdicates unconditionally
and is banished to Elba.
( ' Napoleon ' and ' Elba ' are encoded ,
The Bible Code p.31 )


' Asteroid ' crosses ' dinosaur ' , encoded in Deuteronomy 24 : 19 -21
switch 24 : 19
( The Bible Code p.191 )
1924
1924 AD Jan 21st death of Soviet leader Lenin
Jan 21st in China, Congress of the
Guomindang.
( in China )
June 10th Matteotti body found ( murdered )
de Broglie wave theory - particles can also
act as waves.


' His name is Timothy ' is encoded in Genesis 37 : 12 to
Genesis 37 : 19
switch 37 : 19
( The Bible Code p.188 )
1937
1937 AD May 6th the giant German Airship Hindenburg
explodes ( fire )
July 7th in China, incident at Marco Polo
Bridge
( in China )


' Atomic weapon ' is encoded once in the Book of Isaiah, from
Isaiah 32 : 1 to 65 : 18. ' Jerusalem ' and ' scroll ' and ' he opened it ' all appear in the hidden text of the last
verse, Isaiah 65 : 18. In fact, they overlap each other.
.....the encoding of 'atomic weapon ' is clearly intentional. But in modern Hebrew it would usually be
spelled with one more letter.
( The Bible Code p.189 )

Isaiah 32 : 1
switch 32 : 1
132
132 AD In China, Zhang Heng develops the first
seismograph for indicating the position
of an earthquake centre.
( earthquake )

32 : 1 switched to 1 : 32 leads to the thought about 123 and looking at the various combinations of 65 : 18
switch 65 : 18
1865
1865 AD Abraham Lincoln assassinated by J W Booth.
' Booth ' is highlighted by being in triplicate in
the code.
This grouping of code is has been highlighted by the words overlapping each other with a common ' M ' .
One of the phrases is ' he opened it '. There is thus a link between the two highlighted decoding methods.

various combinations of 1 8 6 5
1568 AD 1586 AD 1856AD

1568 AD March 23th The Treaty of Longjumean ends
the Second War of Religion. ( war )
June 2nd Counts Egmont and Hoorn executed
Nov Slaughter of the Moorish population.
( slaughter )
Dec Three Spanish treasure ships driven
by storm into Plymouth.

John Skelton, Works......

1586 AD July 17th Sir Francis Walsingham succeeds in
unravelling the Babington Plot.
July 21th Thomas Cavendish leaves
Plymouth on a voyage
of circumnavigation, west to east.

1856 AD Britain annexes Oudh. ( annexed )
April 16th Declaration of Paris recognizes
principle of 'free ships , free goods '.
Oct 8th Arrow Incident provokes second
Anglo-Chinese War. ( war )
Richard Burton and John Speke set out to
find the source of the Nile.

There are links here
1568 AD Three ships into Plymouth
1586 AD From Plymouth on a voyage
1856 AD free ships
Arrow Incident ships flying British flag



.....' President ' is Numbers 25 : 18
switch 25 : 18 ( The Bible Code p.187 )
1825
1825 AD Joe Smith, founder of Mormons, claims he
had his vision.
Comte de St.-Simon, Nouveau
Christianisme.
In England, George Stephenson builds the
first public railway.
I Promessi Sposi, Alessandro Manzoni.
Boris Godunov, Aleksandr Pushkin.



' Swift ' is encoded from Leviticus 15 : 19 to Leviticus 23 : 29. The year the comet is predicted to return,
2126, is encoded in Leviticus 24 : 5.
( The Bible Code p.191 )
switch 15 : 19
1915
1915 AD Albert Einstein in Germany proposes his
general theory of relativity which explains
the origin of gravity.
( Einstein )
April 22nd the Western Front,Germans use
poison gas for the first time.
( horror )
April 26th secret Treaty of London.

Leviticus 15 : 19
Leviticus 23 : 29
combining the chapter numbers 15 and 23
1523 AD Titian, Bacchus and Ariadne.
Keyboard music printed in Italy with right-
and left-hand staves and bar lines.

combining the verse numbers 19 and 29.
1929 AD Oct 24th Wall Street Crash
( economic collapse )
Virginia Woolf, A Room of One's Own.
The Listener issued in Britain.

' Comet ' is encoded from Leviticus 18 : 20 to Deuteronomy 27 : 1.
Leviticus 18 : 20
( The Bible Code p.192 )
1820
1820 AD Internal Evidence for the Truth of Revealed
Religion, Thomas Erskine.

combining the chapter numbers 18 and 27
1827
1827 AD John Darby secedes from Church of England
to found Plymouth Brethren.
Joseph Niepce produces photographs.


The year 2012 also appears with ' comet ' , in Deuteronomy 1 : 4.
' Earth annihilated ' appears just above in Exodus 34:10.
But with 2012, also in the hidden text of
Deuteronomy 1 : 4 are the words
' It will be crumbled, I will tear it to pieces '.

switch 34 : 10
1034
1034 AD March 15th death of Mieszko of Poland.
note. March 15th = the Ides of March

Soothsayer Beware the Ides of March.
Caesar He is a dreamer.
Let us leave him now. Pass.
Exeunt

Julius Caesar Act 1 Scene 2 verse 23
William Shakespeare

.......for on that day he should be in great danger.
( Earth annihilated )

' Great earthquake ' is encoded from Exodus 39 : 21 to
Deuteronomy 18 : 17.
switch 18 : 17 ( The Bible Code p.190 )
1718 AD Chinese troops are annihilated by the
Western Mongols.
( annihilated )
Spain founds Pensacola, Florida.
July 21 Peace of Passarowitz.
July 31st ( or Aug 11th ) Spain defeated off Cape
Passaro.


' Har Megiddo ' is encoded from Genesis 44 : 4 to Exodus 10 : 16.
switch 10 : 16
( The Bible Code p.190 )
1610
1610 AD Galileo observes Jupiter's satellites.
( Jupiter )
William Shakespeare, Cymbeline ;
A Winter's Tale ; The Tempest.
( Shakespeare )


' Zedek ' ( Jupiter ) is encoded in Isaiah 26 : 16.
( The Bible Code p.182 )
The date the comet struck the planet, ' 8th Av ' in
Isaiah 26 : 20.
switch 26 : 16
1626 AD Count Mansfeld defeated at the Bridge of
Dessau.

combining the verse numbers 16 and 20.
1620 AD Sept. Pilgrim Fathers leave Plymouth in
the Mayflower.
Neptune and Triton, G. Bernini.


' Watergate ' is encoded from Genesis 28 : 21 to Numbers 19 : 18.
( The Bible Code p.182 )
switch 19 : 18
1819
1819 AD Aug 16th ' Peterloo ' Massacre takes place.

Watergate
to Peterloo
hence Waterloo


delayed Libya Booth the Bible Loo day day


Loo day day the Bible

Aug 16 Peterloo 16 16 16 : 16
Jun 18 Waterloo 18 18 18 : 18


Revelation 16 : 16 Armageddon
Revelation 18 : 18 A sea port


' Watergate ' Numbers 19 : 18
1918
1918 AD Oct 30th Allies sign armistice with Turkey on the warship
Agamemnon at Mudros.
We are making a New World , Paul Nash.
The Twelve , Alexander Blok.


' For everyone, the great terror : fire earthquake ' encoded in Deuteronomy 34 : 12.
switch 34 : 12 ( The Bible Code p.190 )
1234
1234 AD al-Mustansiryah University, Baghdad
founded.

Just above 1234 AD
1233 AD The Complete Book of Chronicles ; abridges al-Tabari's work ( 923 ) and continues Arab history to
1231.

The year 2113 is encoded from Deuteronomy 29 : 24
to Deuteronomy 33 : 14.
switch 2113
1321 in reverse 1231
Arab history to 1231


' China ' appears in Numbers 33 : 12 with ' great earthquake ' .
switch 1233 ( The Bible Code p.191 )
1233 AD See above.


Both ' fire, earthquake ' and ' the big one ' appear in the
hidden text of Deuteronomy 10 :21.
( The Bible Code p.191 )
Just above 1021 AD
1020 AD The Book of Kings ; Persia's national epic.


' Edison ' is encoded from Numbers 14 : 19 to
Numbers 17 : 19.
(The Bible Code p.183 )
17 : 19
1719
1719 AD The American Mercury is issued in
Philadelphia.
( Mercury = messenger )

switch 14 : 19
1914
1914 AD June 28th Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife are assassinate at Sarajevo in Bosnia by Gavrilo
Princip.
( assassination )
The Planets, Gustav Holst

Numbers 17 : 19
switch 1917 AD June 14th American Expeditionary Force, commanded by General John J Pershing,
arrives in France.
( missile ie Pershing )


' Ruby ' is encoded in Deuteronomy 2 : 8 with ' Oswald ' and the words ' he will kill the assassin ', which appear
in Numbers 35 : 19.
( The Bible Code p.188 )
switch 35 : 19
1935
1935 AD The 35-mm ' Kodachrome ' film devised.
Credo , Karl Barth.
Murder in the Cathedral , T S Eliot.

Looking up Lee Harvey Oswald in the Huchinson Chronology of World History,Compact Edition the years 1963 and 1964 are present. The assassination of
President Kennedy was on Nov 22nd 1963.

1964 AD Oct 16th China explodes an atomic bomb.
( atomic weapon )
Nov 3rd US elections President Johnson
has a sweeping victory over Barry Goldwater.

The Warren Report into the assassination of President
Kennedy.

( July 31st ) Ranger 7, launched from Cape Kennedy,
succeeds in obtaining close-up photographs
of the Moon's surface before crashing.
( spaceship )

Film Doctor Strangelove ( director, Stanley Kubrick )


Another Oswald in history was Oswald Mosley. In the history book index he is listed with the years
1931, 1932, 1934 and 1936.

Numbers 35 : 19 1935 is between the years Oswald Mosley
is indexed with.

' President Kennedy ' is encoded once in the Bible,
from Genesis 34 : 19 to
Genesis 50 :4.
( The Bible Code p.187 )
switch 34 : 19
1934
1934 AD June 8th Oswald Mosley addresses mass
meeting of Fascists, London
( address )
June 29th The ' Night of the Long Knives' in
Germany. ( Nazi )

A Study of History , Arnold Toynbee.



..Macbeth is also encoded starting in the same verse of the Bible, Leviticus 3 : 13, and ending in
Leviticus 7 : 29
( The Bible Code p.183 )

313 AD Constantine defeats Licinius in Pannonia.
The Edit of Milan.

add a 1, 1313
1313 AD The invention of spectacles.

Leviticus 3 : 13
switch 3 : 13
133 AD no entry for this year
but just above
132 AD Simeon Bar-Cochba leads the Jews in revolt.
In China, Zhang Heng develops the first
seismograph for indicating the position of an
earthquake centre.
( earthquake )

Leviticus 7 : 29
7 29
add a 1, 1729
1729 AD John Wood, Queen's Square, Bath
Jonathan Swift, A Modest Proposal
J S Bach, St. Matthew Passion ( oratorio )

Macbeth anagram bath Mec
Not many single words in the code contain all four letters that spell Bath.The name Bath appears in the
full code quite a lot.


Contents

Introduction
Prime Minister Netanyahu
Third / World War
World War

Triplicate delayed Libya Booth
( anagram the Bible Loo day day )

Tut
Nu ( Nut )
Moon ( mun )
Tutankhamun
Tanakh

switching chapter and verse numbers

Shoemaker-Levy
Japan
Asteroid
His name is Timothy
Atomic weapon ( switch and other variations )
President
Swift
Comet
Earth annihilated
Great earthquake
Har Megiddo
Zedek ( Jupiter )
Watergate
For everyone, the great terror
China
fire earthquake the big one
Edison
Ruby Oswald
President Kennedy
Macbeth

Summary

Atomic weapon --> 132 AD in China --> Oswald -->
--> 1964 China explodes atomic bomb
and film Dr Strangelove


Atomic weapon --> 65 : 18
Watergate --> 1819 Peterloo + triplicate code --> Waterloo -->

-->Revelation
Armageddon
A sea port

Watergate --> 1918 Agamemnon at Mudros

65 : 18 in reverse 81 56
add a 1 181 56 --> 1815 6
Battle of Waterloo 18th June ( sixth month ) 1815 AD.

The Final Battle, Revelation is being associated with the Battle of Waterloo. In 1815 Napoleon was the rider
of the white horse. ( See Revelation ) Is there another
rider of a white horse ? As the number 6 is in the code
ie. 1815 6 , this number is being associated with
The Final Battle referred to in The Revelation to John.
Is this linked to the number of the beast 666 or vice
versa ? Maybe both are part of the code.
As with some chapter and verse numbers 666 ,
add a 1
1666
1666 AD The Great Plague of London
The Great Fire of London
Sir Issac Newton calculates the moon's orbit.

Twist the middle 6 by 180 degrees

In 1696 AD Re-coinage of British silver money is carried out under
John Locke and Sir Isaac Newton.

code unlocked

For everyone a bridge the code

 

[daktaklakpak]

Who cares if it matches the past well?

It's meaningless if it can't predict the future.

 

[pragmathen]

Re: software disks

<b>Lyndale</b>,

I thought your point about the code containing software programs was quite intriguing. Having taken a few perusals of that Bible Code book that <b>Daniel</b> makes reference to, I've often wondered what would happen should some of that 'order' be transliterated into some kind of a binary system that's recognizable as computer language. It seems entirely possible. I don't really care if some consider it bogus, it would still be rather interesting to see what might happen. Codes intrigue me, whether intentional or otherwise. Hopefully, you'll give us some more information rather than not discussing it further.

 

[daktaklakpak]

Re: Re: Daniel

Originally posted by Lyndale
There are more then just hidden codes. The Hebrew language is also software programming...
Lyndale

I have been installing and programming computer for almost 15 years, and frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Corp.Hudson]

Drosnins book was the biggest piece of horseshit I have ever read. That book had no redeeming value, it was just a series of coincidences (sp.?) that can be found in the Hebrew translation of ANY book, paired with a bad story in which Drosnin tried to make himself the protaganist, when he was really nothing but a third party observer.

 

[Emerald]

Aaaaaarrrrgggghhhh!

Lyndale,

Originally posted by Lyndale
There are more then just hidden codes. The Hebrew language is also software programming. When the proper information is interred, software disks will start to be displayed. The beginning of learning this is first to find the right words...second, this information will be in the form of vertical strips...third these strips when put together will form complete software disks. I know this sounds crazy, but it is true. The only problem is, there is no interpreter software developed yet. I know I will receive slack from saying all of this...but its true...there are hidden software disks contained in the bible in the form of the Hebrew language. I have found one of the strips that prove this. I will not discuss this further.


Lyndale

It is right for you to be cautious - the troll-hunters have picked up your scent; they're closing in for the kill. It won't be long now...

This "cloak-and-dagger" routine of yours is getting stale, Lyndale.

Emerald

 

[Emerald]

Corp,

Originally posted by Corp.Hudson
Drosnins book was the biggest piece of horseshit I have ever read. That book had no redeeming value, it was just a series of coincidences (sp.?) that can be found in the Hebrew translation of ANY book, paired with a bad story in which Drosnin tried to make himself the protaganist, when he was really nothing but a third party observer.

I agree with your point that Drosnin was nothing but a third party observer who sensationalized the findings of Torah scholars, mathematicians and computer scientists. Obviously he was riding on the coattails of others for the purpose of making a name for <i>himself</i>, as well as fattening his own bank account. This had the effect of cheapening the entire theory so that most people will dismiss it out of hand.

There are much better books than Drosnin's if one wants to examine more than just the hype behind the Torah codes. I've read several, but my personal favorite is "Cracking the Bible Code", by Jeffrey Satinover, M.D. Although I don't necessarily agree with all of the author's conclusions, I would still highly recommend this book to anyone who is interested in further exploration of this subject (which I must admit that I find fascinating, myself).

Emerald

 

[Emerald]

Re: Re: Aaaaaarrrrgggghhhh!

Lyndale,

Originally posted by Lyndale
Is this suppose to be a threat? I have no so called "cloak-and-dagger" routine as you put it.

Uh, no. I was responding sarcastically to all the drama you like to insert in your posts. You know, comments like, "I will not discuss this further", as if you're being watched by some evil underworld group who will destroy you should you reveal too much of what you are so fond of implying that you know. That's what I mean by "cloak-and-dagger" routine. It's silly and childish - knock it off already. Oh yeah, and I was also suggesting that you are a troll. Just out of curiosity, is English your first language?

Don't you people have better things to do then make threat's and hate remarks? Is this not suppose to be a room that discusses what is post. You go anywhere that I have posted and you'll clearly see that I have never attacked anyone that didn't attack me first.

I guess you're not counting the comments you made about Cris and myself being under demonic influence? I don't believe that any of my remarks to you have been hateful. At least, I have never intended any of my comments to be hateful - I'm sorry if you are such a sensitive soul that that's how you see it. Sarcastic? Okay, maybe a little bit - but hateful? Not even close.

Why don't you people grow-up and start putting that so called intellegence to work doing something usefull like inquiring, asking intellegent questions and usefull comments. Not everyone that comes in here is trying to decieve someone. Not everyone that comes here is trying to attack someone.

No, not everyone is doing those things, Lyndale. You have certainly done those things, but most of us are simply responding honestly to what we read. This is a debate forum, and that's what most of us are here to do. If you don't like the heat, then I suggest you get out of the roasting pan.

Emerald

 

[Tiassa]

Emerald

It seems that with some, their first assertion becomes wholly a priori, and everyone reacting to that first assertion is actually enacting some inner madness manifest as hatred toward apparently simple ideas.

A great example of this is detailed by the following hypothetical:

* Mr L asserts that a photograph contains evidence of demons.
* Mr X notes that, in addition to asserting demons, Mr L has also confessed to tampering with the observational process.
* Mr X wonders if that altered observational process might be the cause of the phenomenon perceived as demonic evidence.
* Mr L refuses to discuss the alterations to the observational process, because of commercial concerns.
* Mr L further asserts that the demons have taken control of Mr X
* Thus, Mr L asserts that: 1) A photograph contains demons; 2) That Mr X is under possession of those demons; 3) That the evidence of Mr X's possession is twofold--A) X's disbelief or doubt is evidence of demonic possession, and B) The photographs Mr X disbelieves or doubts are proof of the demons that possess him.

Emerald, you're just so mean. I mean, it's all right here, clear as day. Sure the dots don't connect, and the pieces don't fit together well, but they don't have to, and if you weren't possessed by demons, you'd see that, you silly, evil person you. Never mind that back-engineering existing, proprietary technology is not a viable commercial product; this experiment of unseen method and undemonstrated result conclusively proves that you're among the Legion of Doom.

Wait a minute ... am I saying this with a straight face? Oh, heaven forgive me ... please, Emerald. I didn't mean it, honest. I think the Devil made me say it.



thanx,
Tiassa

 

[Tiassa]

Aaah, nostalgia ....

Lyndale,

THEY SAY:
HEY WHADAYA DOIN' WITH YOUR LIFE
WHY DON'TCHA SETTLE DOWN AND FIND YOURSELF A WIFE
DON'T YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY FROM HERE
WHEN WILL YOU ACT YOUR AGE, WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN DEAR
I SAY:
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
THEY SAY:
YOU BETTER STOP YOUR DREAMIN'
YOU'RE GOIN' NOWHERE FAST
WHAT IF WE THROW YOU OUT
HOW LONG YOU THINK YOU'LL LAST
WHEN WILL YOU GO TO SCHOOL, WHY DON'TCHA GET A JOB
HEY GIRL YOU BETTER SHAPE UP, YOU'RE LOOKIN' LIKE A SLOB
WELL I SAY:
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
AND I SAY IT AGAIN
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF
WHY DON'TCHA LISTEN TO THE MUSIC WE'RE PLAYING
GO PICK ON SOMEBODY ELSE
THEY SAY:
YOU THINK THAT LIFE'S A FREE RIDE
WELL TAKE A TIP FROM ME
WE'RE GONNA END YOUR PARTY
WITH SOME RESPONSIBILITY
EVERYBODY SAY
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
OH I KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT
EVERYBODY SING
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
GIMME ME MORE
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
GIMME MORE
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
GIMME, GIMME, GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
HEY YOU IN THE BACK
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
YEAH YOU
DON'T JUST STAND THERE SING ALONG
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
EVERYBODY
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
C'MON NOW
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
WHOOPEE!
I WANT MY MOTHER
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
WHAT ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE DOIN' IN MY ROOM
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW
GET OFF MY BED
HEY WATCH IT YOU'RE CRUSHING MY DRESSER
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
WHAT'S THAT MIDGET DOIN' HERE
I'LL NEVER GROW UP
I'LL NEVER GROW UP NOW

Twisted Sister: "I'll Never Grow Up Now" (Under the Blade)
http://www.acc.umu.se/~adrian/twistedsister/under-the-blade.html#9

--Tiassa

 

[Daniel]

RE : Deguised part of Bible code

Part 1 of post
The opportunity for the Bible code to include
code in puzzle clue and anagram form was
there. There are signs. Some of the code is
brief in describing events and some events
are described using more words than are
needed.

Examples

The Bible Code p. 19 & 182

Watergate
Who is he ? President but he was kicked out


The Bible Code p. 88 & 188

His name is Timothy

McVeigh

I believe the words of the code here
have been chosen so that they can
also be used thus :

Scroll
He opened it
Who is he ?
His name is .....................



Part 2 of post

who is he ? president but he was kicked out
o s e p B h
h p B e s o
who is he ? president but he was kicked out

Scroll
He opened it
Who is he ?
His name is Joseph B............


As reader of this post you have options

i) Believing all I have written
This would not be logical

ii) Keeping an open mind - ' It's possible '
This would be logical

iii) Disbelieving what I have written
This would not be logical


If you disbelieve part 2 of the post this
does not mean you have to automatically
disbelieve part 1 of the post.

 

[Emerald]

Re: Aaah, nostalgia ....

Tiassa,

Originally posted by tiassa
Twisted Sister: "I'll Never Grow Up Now" (Under the Blade)
http://www.acc.umu.se/~adrian/twistedsister/under-the-blade.html#9

Thanks for the inspiration. I'd also like to contribute some lyrics from a song performed by a fellow she-demon:

<font color="blue"><b>"Girls Just Want to Have Fun"
Performed by: Cyndi Lauper
Written by: Robert Hazard</b>

<i>I come home in the morning light
my mother says when you gonna live your life right
oh mother dear we're not the fortunate ones
and girls just want to have fun
oh girls just want to have fun

the phone rings in the middle of the night
my father yells what you gonna do with your life
oh daddy dear you know you're still number one
but girls they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have--

that's all they really want
some fun
when the working day is done
girls-- they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have fun

some boys take a beautiful girl
and hide her away from the rest of the world
I want to be the one to walk in the sun
oh girls they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have

that's all they really want
some fun
when the working day is done
girls--they want to have fun
oh girls just want to have fun,
they want to have fun,
they want to have fun...</i></font>

Emerald

 

[Emerald]

Re: Emerald

Tiassa,

Originally posted by tiassa
It seems that with some, their first assertion becomes wholly a priori, and everyone reacting to that first assertion is actually enacting some inner madness manifest as hatred toward apparently simple ideas.

A great example of this is detailed by the following hypothetical:

* Mr L asserts that a photograph contains evidence of demons.
* Mr X notes that, in addition to asserting demons, Mr L has also confessed to tampering with the observational process.
* Mr X wonders if that altered observational process might be the cause of the phenomenon perceived as demonic evidence.
* Mr L refuses to discuss the alterations to the observational process, because of commercial concerns.
* Mr L further asserts that the demons have taken control of Mr X
* Thus, Mr L asserts that: 1) A photograph contains demons; 2) That Mr X is under possession of those demons; 3) That the evidence of Mr X's possession is twofold--A) X's disbelief or doubt is evidence of demonic possession, and B) The photographs Mr X disbelieves or doubts are proof of the demons that possess him.

Yeah, I'd say that kind of evidence would fly in a court of law - if the trial was being held in say, Salem, and the year was, oh, 1692, for example.

Emerald, you're just so mean. I mean, it's all right here, clear as day. Sure the dots don't connect, and the pieces don't fit together well, but they don't have to, and if you weren't possessed by demons, you'd see that, you silly, evil person you. Never mind that back-engineering existing, proprietary technology is not a viable commercial product; this experiment of unseen method and undemonstrated result conclusively proves that you're among the Legion of Doom.

Just doing what the Master orders.

Wait a minute ... am I saying this with a straight face? Oh, heaven forgive me ... please, Emerald. I didn't mean it, honest. I think the Devil made me say it.

Not to worry, Tiassa - I knew that bulge in your cheek was your tongue all along.

Emerald

 

[Daniel]

RE esguised part of Bible code

Some of the Bible code is concise and brief
eg. Wright Brothers Airplane
Edison Electricity Lightbulb

other code is not

Watergate Nixon
Who is he ? President but he was kicked out.

Shakespeare Hamlet Macbeth
presented on stage

The code uses both names of the planet Jupiter,
Jupiter and Zedek. Maybe an extra ' z' or ' k '
was needed for a part of the Bible code
we have not seen yet ie.an anagram or puzzle.

Rembrandt Dutch painter
Picasso the artist

Why is one described as a painter and the
other an artist ?

Shakespeare Hamlet Macbeth
presented on stage

Why are two plays mentioned when with the
great artists and musicians none of their
work was named ( The Bible code page 31) ?
Why is ' presented on stage ' included ?

Hamlet was presented on stage in 1603 AD
Macbeth was presented on stage in 1605 AD

The code could be pointing to the year
inbetween the two plays encoded, ie.1604 AD.

In 1604 AD a supernova observable by the
naked eye occurred. The next supernova
observable by the naked eye ( ie without
a telescope ) was not until 1987 AD, over
300 years later, hence not a common
occurrence.

also in 1604 AD Johannes Kepler publishes
Optics, which describes how the eye
focuses light.

The supernova could be acting as a marker
indicating there is code here and the code is
not just pointing to the year inbetween the
two plays Hamlet and Macbeth but also
the years inbetween the other
Shakespearean plays being
presented on stage.


1605 AD Macbeth
1606 AD
1607 AD
1608 AD King Lear, Coriolanus.
1609 AD
1610 AD Cymbeline ; A Winter's Tale ;
The Tempest.


The books published in these years were

1606 AD
Joseph Scaliger, Thesaurus Temporum
1607 AD
Ben Jonson, The Fox
Cyril Tourneur, The Revenger's Tragedy
Honore D ' Urfe, Astee, part 1
( completed by 1627 by Baro )
1609 AD
Johann Kepler, De Motibus Stella Martis
G de la Vega, History of the Conquest
of Peru


Edison Lightbulb Electricity

Lightbulb
1880 AD Edison and Swan independently
make the first practical electric light.
Electricity
1882 AD Edison's generating station at Pearl
Street, NY and first hydro-electric
plant at Appleton, Wisconsin.

The year inbetween these two years the
code could be highlighting is 1881 AD.
1881 AD Louis Pasteur attenuates anthrax
virus to produce a vaccine.
( anthrax = horror )

Some parts of the code point to years
in history and some of the encoded
phrases of the code act like
markers. A multi-layered code.

Lyndale
When you say software disks
do you mean of a form similar to
MSDOS format
ie. File Allocation Table
Data area
etc. ?

Daktaklakpak
Analysis of the position of the Bible
code being part of the code and other
code such as anagrams etc. within the
words should be included in the
statistical analysis of the Bible code
and could totally varify the Bible code
scientifically.
Who cares if it matches the past well?
Anyone worried that the Bible code
predicts a Third World War etc.

Corp. Hudson
Disquised Code in Drosnin's code
sent 15 / 5 / 2001 10:33pm
your post
sent 16 / 5 / 2001 4 :06am

Less than 6 hours to analysis
my work and include it in your
new assessment of Michael
Drosnin's book.

 

[daktaklakpak]

Re: RE esguised part of Bible code

Originally posted by Daniel

Anyone worried that the Bible code
predicts a Third World War etc.

Our genetic make up limit our ability to foresee events that will happen in the next 2 or more generations. In another words, we generally don't care stuff that will happen for our grand grand children. Our mind is not designed to comprehend that kind of information/imagination. So the world war prediction should better be quick.

BTW, if by the date there is no WWIII, you could interpret it as "we prevented it because we knew it." If it happens, you could say "I told you." So the prediction is generally BS anyway.

 

[Daniel]

Re:daktaklakpak

' World War ' was encoded with ( but
not crossing ) ' in 5760 ' and ' in 5766 ',
ie. the years 2000 and 2006.
( The Bible Code p.94 & p.189 )

I believe the Bible code and other code
is amazingly more extensive than many
people believe to date, note ' He encoded
the Torah, and more '.
God could have placed an advanced
numerical code in astronomical data.
This part of The Code could include or
point to an aids cure, note the
Bibledecoder website / Research pages
claims that the following code has been
found :
Aids / cure / space

As with the basic part of an operating system,
once loaded into memory it can then load
in more complex code, so to with a code
from God. A Bible code that includes use of
other books ( including Nostradamus ) could
provide more complex decoding techniques,
new code markers etc. The number 666 could
already be a code marker. Note. Aphelion
Distance( A.U ) of the planet Mars is 1.666.

About myself
I have a science background , electrical and
electronic engineering and believe my
scientific analysis skills are good.

 

[Tiassa]

Note ....

As with the basic part of an operating system,
once loaded into memory it can then load
in more complex code, so to with a code
from God. A Bible code that includes use of
other books ( including Nostradamus ) could
provide more complex decoding techniques,
new code markers etc. The number 666 could
already be a code marker. Note. Aphelion
Distance( A.U ) of the planet Mars is 1.666.

Of the OS analogy, I'll leave out questions of firmware and networking. Those can come later, if necessary.

Rather, though, it seems that you're asserting that God's knowledge is so complete that he knew in advance what we would call a certain distance, and what that distance would be. An astronomical unit is a relevant, yet still arbitrary declaration of distance. For the Martian aphelion to be significant, there must therefore be a relation between actual distance and all the labels we've applied to those distances until we figured the distance from Sol to Terra and called it an AU.

I have no objection with something that has Perfect Knowledge having this particular knowledge. This is part of that perfection. But for God's mysterious ways to be so subtly intentional, and apparently so blatant that I'm surprised we need a Bible, much less a Bible code, to tell us these things, really does punch a hole in much of the modern theology and resultant faith constructions of Christianity, past or present.

Think about it: God knows full well what a certain distance is, and that humans will find it significant; furthermore, God devises his universe so that this distance will act as a theological signpost on the road to deliverance. And this is where I hit the curious contradictions of God.

In another post I mentioned those of faith who would suspend your civil rights at the ballot box in an act of Christian love, yet would walk by an outstretched, hungry hand on the street without a blink of conscience.

What's more important to God, then? That Mars is a signpost to redemption, or that we treat the least of our brethren--and therefore God itself--properly? It's a very exacting Universe, with much design effort, if one merely intends base, sloppy execution. The only hidden messages in the Bible would be carefully placed by Hebrew scribes in the OT; scholars--particularly mathematicians--would have located these by now because computers can calculate finite sums quickly enough.

And there's another issue with this Bible code: as I recall, there are 22 consonants with four final consonants in the Hebrew alphabet. How many characters are employed in the telling of the OT? How many prophetic words have been extracted? (W) What is that ratio, compared to the potential? (P) How many equations, permutations, algorithms, &c. can you lay over the text before you run out of combinations of words? (E) It would seem to me that you're running an exponential figure here that reflects W/P as a ratio related to E. I am, admittedly, having difficulty writing this equation. (I'm not sure all factors have been accounted yet.)

What I'm after here is that I'm not sure the extraction of anything but a coherent discourse from God will suffice to demonstrate the authenticity of what appears to be theological fancy. 26 letters repeated in a finite number of combinations, the total number of letters in the Old Testament, and the total number of equations you can ask a computer to scan by. If they pull a hundred-thousand suspect words from the Judaic Junior Jumble of OT codes, they still have achieved a minute fraction of the potential of the whole. Consider this: If I dump three cans of alphabet soup into a pot, stick my spoon in (for this probability can be described by much better mathematicians than I) and, in one spoonful, receive the word "Jesus", have I enjoyed a miracle or witnessed a demonstration of probability? What is the difference of probability, then, that I would pull out the five characters spelling, "Joint"? (Yes, I realize that you must account for one repeated letter; it changes the probability minutely compared to the greater illustration.)

If you extract "Jesus loves me" from textual code, you have achieved no greater miracle than if you extract "Xyznz amgyz jy". The probability of finding a string of relevant characters is exactly equal to the probability of finding a string of unintelligible nonsense; until you start tweaking the probability calculations and exscinding data in order to cause a favorable outcome.

I am always curious about those people of faith who dedicate their careers to being pseudo-scientists in order to achieve a measure of fame on behalf of a God they choose to disrespect by making such trivialities of the faith. The search for empowerment through Bible code is a desperate attempt to bolster the faithfuls' perspective of the credibility of their faith. Unfortunately, it's pointing out to the rest of the world just how anemic that credibility is.

And all that from the Martian aphelion. If science stumbles onto God, believe me, we'd all hear about it. If pseudo-science, seeking God, finds God, well, that's expected, and merely the fulfillment of a fantasy with greater fantasy.

I will, however, tell the next person that asks me for money on the street to take comfort, for Jesus says that the cure for AIDS is coming from Stavromula Beta.

thanx,
Tiassa

 

[daktaklakpak]

Re: Re:daktaklakpak

Originally posted by Daniel
As with the basic part of an operating system,
once loaded into memory it can then load
in more complex code, so to with a code
from God. A Bible code that includes use of
other books ( including Nostradamus ) could
provide more complex decoding techniques,
new code markers etc. The number 666 could
already be a code marker. Note. Aphelion
Distance( A.U ) of the planet Mars is 1.666.

About myself
I have a science background , electrical and
electronic engineering and believe my
scientific analysis skills are good.

You science background should tell you that 1.666AU is just a number that easy for normal human to remember. It's not the exact distance. And Mars orbit is not a perfect circle. How could you so sure that 1.666 is not 1.6661 or 1.666233512 or even 1.6658324?

 

[Deadwood]

I myself have also researched the bible code. I have the book and have pretty much read it. I also had the bible code on my computer at one stage, but couldn't really understand it,since I don't know ancient Hebrew.

I myself believe the bible code to be incorrect.

First of all, lets look at the obvious contradictions. Over ten times in the bible code it says Jesus is the messiah.
Also, it says, over ten times Jesus is not the messiah. In Drosnins book, he only states the code Jesus is the messiah. The truth can not contradict.

Now if Drosnin actually believed in the bible code, as according to his book he would be Christian. However, he is a new age. He basically used this code as stated before for his own pocket, not for the working of God's glory.

Also, Drosnin made a gamble with another person (I forget who) that if he could find these codes in Moby Dick he would concede that the bible code is not true. Guess what, Drosnin lost the bet. Even Moby Dick proclaims that Jesus is and is not the messiah.

Daniel Remember, the truth can not contradict.

Also, Tiassa, what do you mean at the ballot box. I've heard you say that but never really been sure what ballot box means. Prehaps this could be explored in another topic?

 

[Daniel]

re : disguised part of the Bible code

The question is : -
" Is the code there or not ? "

The existance of a code can be examined scientifically.
The new work I have submitted needs to be analysied
scientifically. It would be bad science to predict the
outcome of that investigation by including views about
the nature of God or the apparent level of some believers'
understanding of the Christian philosophy.
If the code is there ( I believe it is ) then God thought
the reason for its existance was good enough. Maybe
the code exists because someone ( the encoder ) asked
for a code, " ask and you shall receive ".
The scientific verification of a much larger Bible code that
includes anagrams, puzzle clues, skip sequence code
within some of the skip sequence code and pointers to
code elsewhere would overshaddow the probability
debate about extraction of skip sequence code from the
Hebrew version of the Torah / Bible.

I believe we live in a universe with a built-in code,
ie the physical universe designed with the code
incorporated.
- Kepler's Laws
- Chemical elements ie. electronic configurations
the Periodic table
- radio frequencies

The distance between the Earth and the Sun
the number 92 ia a major number in The Code.

Michael Drosnin's book ' The Bible Code ' was published
in 1997. The discovery and verification this year of a
larger code which
- proves God exists
- proves Christianity is the true faith
- and more
would be of great benefit to the human race making the
World a more caring place and hopefully helping people
before they become homeless or in despair.

Many people have not been brought up with Christianity
and for them a 100% verified code would help them.

At present I am working full-time on the code, I am in a
financial position to do this. I do not charge and do not
intend to charge for my work. I have nearly completed
a book about life-skills which I intend to make available
free-of-charge. This book may bring some fame or
attention so I am in the position that I am probably
delaying fame for the Bible code. If the code is there
( and I believe it is ) how can looking for the code be
disrespectful to God.

quote
" If science stumbles onto God, believe me, we'd all
hear about it. "

The internet may be the first place that someone who
has found something places their work. The time
between this and professional codebreakers evaluating
the work could be dependent on the initial readers of
that work. So if anyone reading this wishes to draw
my work to the attention of scientists / codebreakers
I would greatly appreciate it.

Daktaklakpak
God knows the future. God knows possible
knock-on effects on the future. There is a concept
of time that we do not understand yet. God knows
the detail of what we see as the future as if it has
already happened.
God knew which number would be used.
As long as the number works as a marker that
is what matters, whether there are digits after
the number 666 or even if the number had to be
rounded up does not stop it working as a marker.
Generally code for a computer needs to be precise.
A code that transmits information to people just
needs to do that job, sometimes it does not have to
be precise or pretty.


Corp. Hudson
My response to your reply was not made with any
ill-feeling, I hope it did not come across that way. I
found your comments amusing.

Deadwood
Michael Drosnin did not consider God may have put
code in the book ' Moby Dick ' . The writer of Moby Dick
working under God's influence. Michael Drosnin is a
reporter not a scientist. Some of what he may say may
not be accurate but that would not mean the code in
his book is not. Don't be put off easily there may
be good reasons to keep people guessing.
Have you ever considered that the encoder is also
a wind-up artist? I am working on line so may give a
fuller reply later.

I submitted a thread called ' Joseph the encoder '
started 7th March 2001. I stand by everything I wrote
in those posts. Please try to take apart the theory if
you can.


In debate people's views get questioned. What I write
is not intended to upset anyone. True Christianity is
about love and care for one another.