Did Jesus travel to India?

Jan Ardena

Jan Ardena

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To the Christians and other interested parties,

What happened in those 18 years of Jesus’ life which are mysteriously missing from the Bible , did he travel to India, among other places?
If he did, what does that mean to you, how will it affect your faith.

There are records and documents, written by people who were taught by him in certain parts of the world.
Do you believe it could be possible that he travelled during those missing years?
If not, why not?

The Vatican is supposed to have suppressed this claim, if so, why do you think they did this?
What’s going on, why are there no records, in the public domain, pertaining to those 18 missing years??

Love

Jan Ardena.
 
Allow me to ask a question as an interested atheist.

How would the fact that Jesus tried to enlighten people in India damage anyone's faith? Again, the RCC fails to make any sense to me.

But this is rather interesting, is there any particular hint or loophole in the bible?

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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting?
 
And imagine how cool it would be if we somehow found a written dialogue between jesus/gothama buddha or siddharta or something!! Well, if they were of the same time period.

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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting?
 
Originally posted by Zero
How would the fact that Jesus tried to enlighten people in India damage anyone's faith?

Who mentioned anything about "damaging" faith?

But this is rather interesting, is there any particular hint or loophole in the bible?

Hint/loophole of what?

Love

Jan Ardena.


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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting? [/B]
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Well then, I supposed "affect your faith" to be damaging faith. Oh never mind.

Any implicit indication in the bible was what I meant.

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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting?
 
He sure did. Here is an artist's depiction of Jesus teaching some white Indian children how to play soccer. If Jesus hadn't gone to India, they wouldn't have such an ass-kicking soccer team. They'd also be a nation of crazy fundies....wait a minute....:bugeye:
 
Jan, Jesus wasnt gone for 18 years. He was gone for 30 years, then he started his first ministry for 3 years, then was crucified..etc.

Why did Jesus only ministered for 3 years out of 30 years in his life?
"Tighting" requires you to give ATLEAST 10% of your donation, either that donation comes in form of your talent, time, and treasure..You have many years to live, God ask ATLEAST 10% of that to serve him through love, prayer, and sacrifice, thats all...
If you decided to leave your parents and get married, atleast give your parents a visit once here and there.
Thats all that God is asking, since it is in our nature through the sin of Adam and Eve to be independent and be on our own, atleast give little time spent in the world in service for God...
 
10%, the tight bas.......

Zero, I fully understand the loophole thingy, but I'm too tired to say anything else about it
 
Originally posted by whatsupyall
Jan, Jesus wasnt gone for 18 years. He was gone for 30 years, then he started his first ministry for 3 years, then was crucified..etc.

In the bible there is no mention of his activities from the age of 12 up to 30. This is 18 years which is completely missing from the book.

"Tighting" requires you to give ATLEAST 10%

What does that have to do with his absense?

Love

Jan Ardena.
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The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest that Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian scholar and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys to the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint called "Issa". Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life, teachings and crucifixion.

For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia, Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary to a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in Kashmir, teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a great prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in Kashmir itself.

The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work "Jami-ut-tuwarik" which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This is reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's "Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-tubri." Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are ancient stories of a saint called "Yuz Asaf" ("Leader of the Healed"), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably similar to that of Christ.

The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local history and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to be travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the Koran, for example, refers to Christ as "Issar". Further east, the Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These traditional legends have been ignored by the theological community.

Kersten also suggests that prior to Christ's mission in the Middle East, he may have been exposed to Buddhist teachings in Egypt. After his birth in Bethlehem, his family fled to Egypt to avoid Herod's persecution. Surprisingly some scholars now acknowledge that Buddhist schools probably existed in Alexandria long before the Christian era.

More clues are drawn from the Apocrypha. These are texts said to have been written by the Apostles but which are not officially accepted by the Church. Indeed, the Church regards them as heresy since a substantial amount of the Apocrypha directly contradicts Church dogma and theology. The Apocryphal 'Acts of Thomas', for example, tell how Christ met Thomas several times after the Crucifixion. In fact they tell us how Christ sent Thomas to teach his spirituality in India. This is corroborated by evidence found in the form of stone inscriptions at Fatehpur Sikri, near the Taj Mahal, in Northern India. They include "Agrapha", which are sayings of Christ that don't exist in the mainstream Bible. Their grammatical form is most similar to that of the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas. This is but one example giving credibility to the idea that texts not recognised by the Church hold important clues about Christ's true life and his teachings.

In tracing Christ's movements to India and beyond, Kersten also discovered that many of his teachings, which have been gradually edited out of the modern Bible were originally Eastern in nature. Principles such as karma and re-incarnation, for example, were common knowledge then, and seem to have been reaffirmed by Christ. Imagine the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top pockets and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin!

Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians. In these texts Thomas tells of Christ's appearance in Andrapolis, Paphlagonia (today known as in the extreme north of Anatolia) as a guest of the King of Andrappa. There he met with Thomas who had arrived separately. It is at Andrapolis that Christ entreated Thomas to go to India to begin spreading his teachings. It seems that Christ and Mary then moved along the West coast of Turkey, proof of this could be an old stopping place for travellers called the "Home of Mary", found along the ancient silk route. From here Christ could easily have entered Europe via France. He may have even travelled as far as the British Isles, for in England there is an ancient oak tree called the "Hallowed Tree" which (says local legend) was planted by Christ himself.

In his travels through Persia (today's Iran) Christ became known as Yuz Asaf (leader of the Healed). We know this because a Kashmiri historical document confirms that Isa (the Koranic name for Christ) was in fact also known as Yuz Asaf. The Jami - uf - Tamarik, Volume II, tells that Yuz Asaf visited Masslige, where he attended the grave of Shem, Noah's son. There are various other accounts such as Agha Mustafa's "Awhali Shahaii-i-paras" that tell of Yuz Asaf's travels and teachings all over Persia. It seems that Yuz Asaf blessed Afghanistan and Pakistan with his presence also. There are for example two plains in Eastern Afghanistan near Gazni and Galalabad, bearing the name of the prophet Yuz Asaf. Again in the Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, Thomas says that he and Christ attended the Court of King Gundafor of Taxila (now Pakistan), in about 47AD, and that eventually both the King and his brother accepted Christ's teachings. Kersten claims that there are more than twenty one historical documents that bear witness to the existence of Jesus in Kashmir, where he was known also as Yuz Asaf and Issa. For example the Bhavishyat Mahapurana (volume 9 verses 17-32) contains an account of Issa-Masih (Jesus the Messiah). It describes Christ's arrival in the Kashmir region of India and his encounter with King Shalivahana, who ruled the Kushan area (39-50AD), and who entertained Christ as a guest for some time.

{Christ's life in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current Church teachings at their very foundation. The theology of Saint Paul, the major influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism in the light of this discovery.|

The historian Mullah Nadini (1413) also recounts a story of Yuz Asaf who was a contemporary to King Gopadatta, and confirms that he also used the name Issar, ie. Jesus. There is also much historical truth in the towns and villages of Northern India to prove that Jesus and his mother Mary spent time in the area. For instance, at the border of a small town called Mari, there is nearby a mountain called Pindi Point, upon which is an old tomb called Mai Mari da Asthan or "The final resting place of Mary". The tomb is said to be very old and local Muslims venerate it as the grave of Issa's (ie Christ's) Mother. The tomb itself is oriented East-West consistent with the Jewish tradition, despite the fact it is within a Muslim area. Assuming its antiquity, such a tomb could not be Hindu either since the Hindus contemporary to Christ cremated their dead and scattered their ashes as do Hindus today.

Following Christ's trail into Kashmir, 40km south of Srinagar, between the villages of Naugam and Nilmge is a meadow called Yuz-Marg (the meadow of Yuz Asaf, ie. Jesus). Then there is the sacred building called Aish Muqam, 60km south east of Srinagar and 12km from Bij Bihara. "Aish" says Kersten is derived from "Issa" and "Muqam" place of rest or repose. Within the Aish Muqam is a sacred relic called the 'Moses Rod' or the 'Jesus Rod', which local legend says, belonged to Moses himself. Christ is said to also have held it, perhaps to confirm his Mosaic heritage. Above the town of Srinagar is a temple known as "The Throne of Solomon", which dates back to at least 1000BC, which King Gopadatta had restored at about the same time as Christ's advent. The restoration was done by a Persian architect who personally left four inscriptions on the side steps of the temple. The third and fourth inscription read: "At this time Yuz Asaf announced his prophetic calling in Year 50 and 4" and "He is Jesus -- Prophet of the Sons of Israel"! Herein lies a powerful confirmation of Kersten's theory. Kersten suggests that Christ may have travelled to the South of India also, finally returning to Kashmir to die at the age of approximately 80 years. Christ's tomb, says Kersten, lies in Srinagar's old town in a building called Rozabal. "Rozabal" is an abbreviation of Rauza Bal, meaning "tomb of a prophet". At the entrance there is an inscription explaining that Yuz Asaf is buried along with another Moslem saint. Both have gravestones which are oriented in North-South direction, according to Moslem tradition. However, through a small opening the true burial chamber can be seen, in which there is the Sarcophagus of Yuz Asaf in East-West (Jewish) orientation!

According to Professor Hassnain, who has studied this tomb, there are carved footprints on the grave stones and when closely examined, carved images of a crucifix and a rosary. The footprints of Yuz Asaf have what appear to be scars represented on both feet, if one assumes that they are crucifixion scars, then their position is consistent with the scars shown in the Turin Shroud (left foot nailed over right). Crucifixion was not practised in Asia, so it is quite possible that they were inflicted elsewhere, such as the Middle East. The tomb is called by some as "Hazrat Issa Sahib" or "Tomb of the Lord Master Jesus". Ancient records acknowledge the existence of the tomb as long ago as 112AD. The Grand Mufti, a prominent Muslim Cleric, himself has confirmed that Hazrat Isa Sahib is indeed the tomb of Yuz Asaf!

Thus Kersten deduces that the tomb of Jesus Christ Himself is in Kashmir!

The implications of Kersten's discovery are monumental. Christ's life in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current Church teachings at their very foundation. The theology of Saint Paul, the major influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism in the light of this discovery. Threatened also are the doctrines of obedience to the Church, original sin, salvation through blind faith and the non-existence of reincarnation, etc. Yet these ideas underlie the morality and ethics, (or lack of them), that govern the entire Western social structure, from the legal system to medical health care schemes. It is no wonder that the modern Churches and their secular interests refuse to consider such a proposition as Kersten's!



The Synopsis of "Jesus Lived In India" by Holger Kersten was written by Dr Ramesh Manocha & Anna Potts.

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
 
Jan, from my studies on Jesus' missing years, I have concluded, although subjective, that Jesus remained in Israel during His entire life, except for the brief journey to Egypt. IMHO, I believe that a trip to India would have been not only monetarily impossible for Jesus, but also, inconsistent with Jewish traditions and the teachings of Judaism. BTW, keep up the good work.

For some good info on this subject, go to http://www.str.org/free/studies/india.htm

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Originally posted by inspector
Jan, from my studies on Jesus' missing years, I have concluded, although subjective, that Jesus remained in Israel during His entire life, except for the brief journey to Egypt.

But what if he did, there is certainly enough documentation to clarify that he did travel to India.
Do you think that those documents are false?
If so, why?

IMHO, I believe that a trip to India would have been not only monetarily impossible for Jesus, but also, inconsistent with Jewish traditions and the teachings of Judaism.

Money would not have been a problem to Jesus, as there were so many people who loved him.
As for the tradition of Judaism, he summed it up by saying, one cannot put new wine into old skins, meaning things were not the same as they were. He did not adhere to alot of the old ways, which is probably why his life was threatened numerous times, and eventually murdered.

BTW, keep up the good work.

You too, thanks. :)

Love

Jan Ardena.
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Acutally, there are some historical records (I believe in India) that show Jesus' family were not poor carpenters but well to do merchants who had extensive business dealings as far east as India.
Jesus was quite well traveled and educated. The Indians wanted Him to stay but He could not but promised to send someone after He was gone. Which is why James went to India and preached there and I believe died there.
 
Originally posted by crazytallguy
Acutally, there are some historical records (I believe in India) that show Jesus' family were not poor carpenters but well to do merchants who had extensive business dealings as far east as India.
Jesus was quite well traveled and educated. The Indians wanted Him to stay but He could not but promised to send someone after He was gone. Which is why James went to India and preached there and I believe died there.
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Hi crazytallguy, I believe Thomas went their as well, he has a massive following, especially in south India.

If Jesus did go to India, why is it not common knowledge, do you think?

Love

Jan Ardena.
 
maybe because a dark skinned indian might claim he is the descendant of a bastard lovechild sired by jesus in india?

hmm?
thoughts? opinions? 2 cents?
 
Originally posted by spookz
maybe because a dark skinned indian might claim he is the descendant of a bastard lovechild sired by jesus in india?

hmm?
thoughts? opinions? 2 cents?
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Do you think it might be possible to be serious, just for a change, hmmmmmm?

If you are serious though, why would that make Jesus' travels to India and other places, not common knowledge?

Love

Jan Ardena.
 
Originally posted by Jan Ardena
Hi crazytallguy, I believe Thomas went their as well, he has a massive following, especially in south India.

If Jesus did go to India, why is it not common knowledge, do you think?

Love

Jan Ardena.
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It might have something to do with the Council of Nicea. The Catholics got together and basically decided what Christianity was going to be and look like and that was the way it was. Any documents relating to Jesus that portrayed Him as something other than what they said He was were simply supressed.
 
"Christ's life in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current Church teachings at their very foundation. The theology of Saint Paul, the major influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism in the light of this discovery."

"Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians"

"Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians"

"Imagine the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top pockets and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin! " (some excerpts from kersten which are in my previous post might be some of the reasons for hushing it up)



cmon jan
of course i was kidding.

crazy pretty much summed it up in his post

its about power and politics and cute little altar boys
 
Originally posted by spookz
"Christ's life in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current Church teachings at their very foundation. The theology of Saint Paul, the major influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism in the light of this discovery."

"Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians"

"Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians"

"Imagine the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top pockets and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin! " (some excerpts from kersten which are in my previous post might be some of the reasons for hushing it up)



cmon jan
of course i was kidding.

crazy pretty much summed it up in his post

its about power and politics and cute little altar boys
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Point taken (i not quite sure about cute little alter boys though ):bugeye:, but what power do you think could be derived from hiding this information, and why do intelligent Christians follow the path of the mainstream theologians?

Would they not benifit from the teachings Christ gave to some of his followers in India? :confused:

Love

Jan Ardena.
 
Mainstream Christianity has become so money - PR motivated I don't believe most of them would even recognize (or welcome) new and interesting points of view.
 
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