Deliver Us From Evil
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No - improper religius conduct is one thing (ie philosophical deviation), improper use of power is another - in this instance its a case of improper use of power in the guise of religion - says nothing about religion - says more about human fallibility, which you can find examples of all across the board - but if you have a pet hate of religin then this might seem noteworthy I guessgeeser said:
wsionynw said:
So you agree its a power issue?
lightgigantic said:
Yes I do, in as much that the power the church seems to have over it's congregation is abused. In the same way that radical Muslim clerics incite violence, they are also abusing children but in a different way.
Light, why do you think the church attempted to cover up and even condone these crimes (as this brief trailer would have us believe)?
simple - its a power issuewsionynw said:
And how man reaches for omnipotence by invoking the unknown and unknowable and allying one’s self with its uncertain certainty.
And how religion, has always and will forever be, another human power grab and form of mental control – a way of claiming divine power while avoiding personal effort.
And how religion has always been and forever will be an organized form of mind-control, residing on its unquestionable decrees and the gullibility, ignorance and fears of its minions.
And how religion, has always and will forever be, another human power grab and form of mental control – a way of claiming divine power while avoiding personal effort.
And how religion has always been and forever will be an organized form of mind-control, residing on its unquestionable decrees and the gullibility, ignorance and fears of its minions.
1. God is allegedly Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnibenevolent
2. Through Omniscience, God knows how to prevent evil
3. Through Omnibenevolence, God wants to prevent evil
4. Through Omnipotence, God has the power to prevent evil
5. Evil still exists.
2. Through Omniscience, God knows how to prevent evil
3. Through Omnibenevolence, God wants to prevent evil
4. Through Omnipotence, God has the power to prevent evil
5. Evil still exists.
LiveInFaith
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God created universe in balance.
Love and evil are presented in human actions.
If you don't believe in evil, you might see it as merely the abscence of love.
If you believe in evil, then it is the balance against love, unless you also don't believe love exists.
Love and evil are presented in human actions.
If you don't believe in evil, you might see it as merely the abscence of love.
If you believe in evil, then it is the balance against love, unless you also don't believe love exists.
Perhaps it's that damn forgiveness thing.
Perhaps it's a focus on appearance rather than substance.
Perhaps it's a focus on appearance rather than substance.
That only works if good and evil are objective qualities separate from the individual perceiving the act. There could still be an omnipotent god if good and evil are relative.Cris said:
JM,
I think the point is not to deny an omnipotent god but to indicate the conflict with Omni-benevolence (can do only good). Even if evil is considered relative then doesn’t that still contradict the claim for Omni-benevolence? The issue would then become how to erase the relativity of the two paradigms. Wouldn’t the result simply be a bland “goodness”. We could argue that good can only be truly appreciated when contrasted with evil, but then would evil actually have to exist for that appreciation to occur?
Well, I would have to agree with you, then. Omni-benevolence is not a quality that I usually attribute to God when considering it's potential qualities.Cris said:
Only when the living entity misuses their free will - I think you posted the same version of the same argument before - you have to address how free will can exist with out the opportunity to express "evil", or errorMythbuster said: