Definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism

The Dhp was composed after the Sutta Pitaka, and there are discrepancies between the Dhp and the Suttas,
Some of the verses in the Dhp. are also found in the suttas. It is also worth pointing out that some of the oldest texts in the Pali Tripitaka are in the Khuddaka Nikaya, such as the Udana and the Sutta Nipata.
and also between the Suttas and the Abhidhamma (notably, according to the Suttas, one has free will, and according to the Abhidhamma, one doesn't).
The Abhidhamma Pitaka is hundreds of years later than the suttas. Buddhists have copies of the Sarvastivadin Adhidharma which is completely different. The two schools separated in about 250 BCE so their respective Abhidharmas date from after that. Their Vinaya and Sutta/Sutra Pitakas are essentially identical so they are earlier.
And this leads you to suggest that karma is a doctrine of moral relativism and total subjectivism?
No, Karma for Buddhists is not "total subjectivism". I am not sure what you intend by "moral relativism". The moral worth of actions is impacted by the circumstances. Killing is normally wrong, but killing in self defence or in defence of others may not be wrong, or be less wrong, depending on the exact circumstances
 
Killing is a violation of the first of the five 'Pancasila' precepts that observant Buddhist laypeople are supposed to adhere to.
I'm not a Buddhist but in my little understanding of their teaching there are very rare circumstances when killing is allowed. Motivation is extremely important. See the story of the Prince and the Hungry Tigress in Chapter Eighteen of the Suvarnaprabhasa sutra.

The idea of karma isn't really all that different from the Judeo-Christian-Islamic idea of judgement. Both karma and judgement affirm that actions have inevitable consequences and that things will eventually turn out fairly, even if it doesn't always look that way to us right now.
I have to disagree somewhat here. In my understanding of Buddhism the strict Calvinist idea of judgement implies that actions do not have consequences and that your actions have no effect on what the judgement is. There is also the idea of "forgiveness of sins"; a forgiven sin may not have any consequences, or just minor consequences. Buddhism does not have the concept of "sin", replacing it with "unwise action". However, by dropping sin it also drops forgiveness of sin. Karma does not, and cannot, forgive.

The difference is that with judgement, the consequences are imagined as the legal rulings of a cosmic court, while with karma they are imagined as the natural result of the ethical laws of nature.
That is a good analogy. You can break the law of a court, you cannot break the law of gravity; at best you can work with it.

One of the early Tibetan kings, Lang Darma, was persecuting Buddhists and killing monks. A monk called Lhalung Paldor assassinated the king. His motives were considered good - he wanted to prevent the king building up more bad karma for himself by killing yet more monks. However he himself had also killed a man. The general consensus was that Lhalung Paldor would spend some time in hell for the killing and some time in heaven for the purity of his motives.
 
I'm not a Buddhist but in my little understanding of their teaching there are very rare circumstances when killing is allowed. Motivation is extremely important.

Buddhists disagree among themselves about the scope and interpretation of the 'do not kill' precept, just as Jews and Christians have many interpretations of the analogous commandment. And individual Buddhists (like Jews and Christians) are all over the map regarding how scrupulously they adhere to their precepts. Some Buddhists are vegetarians, while other Buddhists happily eat meat. Just about every Buddhist country has a military.

I have to disagree somewhat here. In my understanding of Buddhism the strict Calvinist idea of judgement implies that actions do not have consequences and that your actions have no effect on what the judgement is.

Yeah, some of the hyper-Protestant Christian interpretations of God's grace do appear to come dangerously close to an effective denial of the importance of moral evil. It doesn't seem to matter what anybody does, even Adolph Hitler, as long as he has faith in the saving power of Jesus. Of course, these kind of Protestants would doubtless protest very loudly (and perhaps justifiably) that this is a caricature of their views. It likely is. But even so, interpreting God's forgiving grace towards sinners in such a way that it doesn't turn into a 'get out of evil free' card is a problem that Christian ethics has to address.

There is also the idea of "forgiveness of sins"; a forgiven sin may not have any consequences, or just minor consequences. Buddhism does not have the concept of "sin", replacing it with "unwise action". However, by dropping sin it also drops forgiveness of sin. Karma does not, and cannot, forgive.

Yeah, it's true.

But in the karma theory, there's no such thing as an eternal fate either. There's always the possibility of change. So a super-sinner like Adolph Hitler might find himself down there in the deepest and nastiest Buddhist hells, even if he truly and sincerely embraced religion in his last days in the bunker. His appalling acts still have to work themselves out, he still has to pay the price, so to speak.

With karma, it matters what hell beings do, what moral qualities their actions in hell have, just as if matters what we do here in this lifetime. If Hitler really did turn his life around, if he really does live as a saint among the hell beings, compassionately helping them in their extremity, he's going to start moving on an upward trajectory. He'll eventually rise up out of hell again, though that might take an awfully long time in his case. If he perserveres for as long as it takes, he could even rise into the heavens and become divine.

I guess that in Christian theological terms, interpreted in the light of the arguments about grace vs works, the karma theory emphasizes works almost exclusively. It's all about what we personally do and it places very little emphasis on beseeching higher powers to unburden us of the consequences. But because everything depends on what we do, there's always the opportunity for us to change course and to start doing something different and less blameworthy.

It doesn't have a great deal to do with the Indian ideas of karma, but it's interesting to notice that in the history of Buddhism, the pure-land Buddhists, particularly those in Japan, evolved ideas in some cases very similar to those of the Christians. There's the idea of 'other-power' (grace) and the idea that one will be surely reborn into the heavenly Pure Land of the West, whatever one's earthly sins, provided only that one sincerely calls upon the saving grace of Amida. This appears to be an independent historical development in the far east, religious convergent evolution we might say, though there were a few Nestorian Christians in China at the time, so maybe it's a faint eastern reflection of Christian ideas from far to the west.
 
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Buddhists disagree among themselves about the scope and interpretation of the 'do not kill' precept, just as Jews and Christians have many interpretations of the analogous commandment.
Correct. Getting a group of Buddhists to agree can sometimes be like herding cats.
If he keeps it up, he could even rise into the heavens and become divine.
More than that. Hitler, like everyone else, will eventually attain enlightenment. Though of course by then he won't be Hitler any more.
I guess that in Christian theological terms, interpreted in the light of the arguments about grace vs works, the karma theory emphasizes works almost exclusively.
It depends. There are different Christian denominations. Peter Kreeft has an interesting article on Comparing Christianity and Buddhism that you may find interesting: http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/religions_buddhism.htm
It doesn't have a great deal to do with the Indian ideas of karma, but it's interesting to notice that in the history of Buddhism, the pure-land Buddhists, particularly those in Japan, evolved ideas in some cases very similar to those of the Christians. There's the idea of 'other-power' (grace) and the idea that one will be surely reborn into the heavenly Pure Land of the West, whatever one's earthly sins, provided only that one sincerely calls upon the saving grace of Amida.
the Japanese classify their Buddhist sects into self-power (ji-riki) for Zen and similar which rely on meditation and other power (ta-riki) for the Pure Land sects which rely on Amida. The difference is not as great as first appears, since in Buddhism there is less difference between self and other than in Christianity. Self is a lot more fluid in the absence of a soul.

This appears to be an independent historical development in the far east, religious convergent evolution, though there were a few Nestorian Christians in China at the time, so maybe it's a faint eastern reflection of Christian ideas from far to the west.
There may have been some Nestorian influence, but indications are that Pure Land was an Indian development originating within the Mahasangika version of the Sravakayana. It reached prominence in the Far East because it seems to have struck more of a chord there.
 
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