Could God...
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Are you nuts TheVisitor, Satan is equal to god in every way but one of creation. So Satan is love, mercy, compassion, patience, all hearing, all seeing, forgiver, giver of faith.....These are all characteristics of god. TheVisitor, you are going straight to hell in the company of Satan who you think so high off. He also think so higly of you.
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On the other hand, Jan Ardena got her religious concepts straight. I hope she goes to heaven.
Originally posted by Jan Ardena
God, as per scripture, is mathematically, numero uno, the original, the primeval entity, He can multiply Himself into innumerable beings, but He always remains numero uno.
Love
Jan Ardena.
On the other hand, Jan Ardena got her religious concepts straight. I hope she goes to heaven.
The rock
Sorry. the link didn't work. So, here is the text, from: http://www.aish.com "Ask the Rabbi":
Q: "Can God terminate His own existence? I've asked many people, and the only (unsatisfying) answer I got was: "Why would He want to?"
A: "The answer is that there is a fundamental flaw in the question. The question assumes that infinities -- an infinitely heavy rock and an infinite God -- can be compared. But as we know from 10th grade math class, two infinities cannot be quantified, and thus cannot be compared. It's not an inability in God, rather incoherence in the task proposed.
Let's try stating it a bit differently: If God is infinite, then He is represented by the numerical equivalent of "infinity." The question of making a rock of such proportions thus begs the question -- which is greater, infinity, or infinity plus one?
Essentially, there is no such thing as infinity plus one, for if you could add one to the mathematical value of infinity, then infinity in the equation, "infinity plus one" would, by definition, not be infinite. Clear?
In Jewish terms, the question is further flawed since it implies that physical characteristics apply to God. Yet one of Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith states: "I believe with perfect faith that God does not have a body. Physical concepts do not apply to Him. There is nothing that resembles Him at all."
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Sorry. the link didn't work. So, here is the text, from: http://www.aish.com "Ask the Rabbi":
Q: "Can God terminate His own existence? I've asked many people, and the only (unsatisfying) answer I got was: "Why would He want to?"
A: "The answer is that there is a fundamental flaw in the question. The question assumes that infinities -- an infinitely heavy rock and an infinite God -- can be compared. But as we know from 10th grade math class, two infinities cannot be quantified, and thus cannot be compared. It's not an inability in God, rather incoherence in the task proposed.
Let's try stating it a bit differently: If God is infinite, then He is represented by the numerical equivalent of "infinity." The question of making a rock of such proportions thus begs the question -- which is greater, infinity, or infinity plus one?
Essentially, there is no such thing as infinity plus one, for if you could add one to the mathematical value of infinity, then infinity in the equation, "infinity plus one" would, by definition, not be infinite. Clear?
In Jewish terms, the question is further flawed since it implies that physical characteristics apply to God. Yet one of Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith states: "I believe with perfect faith that God does not have a body. Physical concepts do not apply to Him. There is nothing that resembles Him at all."
<a href="http://sami119.tripod.com/shemaisrael/">sami</a>
He will ensure that both of them never meet..! if u want funy answer - the force & wall will interchange their position, God can do the swapping too.. u know..!Originally posted by SnakeLord
If god made a wall that could not be penetrated and made a force that could not be stopped and the two met.. what would be the outcome?
Re: The rock
Consider:
There are an infinite number of odd integers and there are an infinite number of all integers (both odd and even) yet the infinite number of all integers is intrinsically larger than the number of only odd integers.
~Raithere
No, that is mathematically incorrect. Infinities can be compared and can, in fact, be lesser or greater than one another.
Consider:
There are an infinite number of odd integers and there are an infinite number of all integers (both odd and even) yet the infinite number of all integers is intrinsically larger than the number of only odd integers.
~Raithere
Raithere:
<i>the infinite number of all integers is intrinsically larger than the number of only odd integers.</i>
Umm... technically, no. The set of all integers has exactly the same cardinality as the set of odd integers.
In principle, you're right - some infinities are larger than others. The particular pair you picked just happen to be the same size.
<i>the infinite number of all integers is intrinsically larger than the number of only odd integers.</i>
Umm... technically, no. The set of all integers has exactly the same cardinality as the set of odd integers.
In principle, you're right - some infinities are larger than others. The particular pair you picked just happen to be the same size.
Re: The rock
Well, there it is. Thanks. I originally proposed the question as an experiment. No one would respond to serious questions, so I made a dumb one to see if it would generate fifteen gazillion response posts as one usually would. This is a smart answer to a dumb question.
Why didn't any of our resident faith-basers give me this before page two?
Well, there it is. Thanks. I originally proposed the question as an experiment. No one would respond to serious questions, so I made a dumb one to see if it would generate fifteen gazillion response posts as one usually would. This is a smart answer to a dumb question.
Why didn't any of our resident faith-basers give me this before page two?
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btw, God could terminate himself in the 'reality' of atheists.. thats what he had already done, it seems.
Its same as the rock paradox. . if yes, then God won't be eternal. if no then God is not omnipotent. The question is aimed at an answer to contradict. The question is logically invalid construction of a sentence (gramatically the sentence is not wrong) cuz the answer would be indeterminate.
btw, God could terminate himself in the 'reality' of atheists.. thats what he had already done, it seems.
How can Satan exist if God doesn't exist? There is no question of who is the more powerful, nor is there a question of what either can do, because *wait for it* NEITHER EXIST!! Is this not a valid argument? Who's gonna challenge me on this? Come on! TELL ME HOW THE HELL ANYONE CAN BELIEVE IN GOD!!!!!!!! I want an answer people! No point in giving these poxy arguments as to why and why not - I want PROOF!! Give me PROOF!! Give me an argument that will change my belief forever!!
Otherwise, I'm afraid this is all pointless babble...:bugeye:
Otherwise, I'm afraid this is all pointless babble...:bugeye:
Hello! Thanx for the welcome - I knew I wasn't invisible!!
I'm not really looking for proof to change any of my philosophies about God, I just find it amusing that people can go into such depth (and get so aggravated!) about something none of us really know anything about.
I mean, despite all the people claiming to 'know' God talks to them, how the hell can they be sure it's God? It might be something else, like....aliens!!
Same for people who deny God so absolutely - none of truly know.
I'm not really looking for proof to change any of my philosophies about God, I just find it amusing that people can go into such depth (and get so aggravated!) about something none of us really know anything about.
I mean, despite all the people claiming to 'know' God talks to them, how the hell can they be sure it's God? It might be something else, like....aliens!!
Same for people who deny God so absolutely - none of truly know.
Re: Olaus
Are you a board troll? I thought they threw those out here.
Originally posted by TheVisitor
"Prayer apparently contradicts this suggestion, though the Biblical Jesus advocates it as well"
You apparently contradict the law of natural selection...
But your here.
The Real God(let's call It Meta-God), I suspect only an internal gnosis can access It
Someone with this apparent gift for stating such obvious contradictions in the scriptures.....(Gnosis ..maybe?)
Should have been president or world leader by now....NOT
Make your snide comments about the scriptures......yeah, you've got my attention now!
Prove one contradiction in the bible...you can't.
It's just the sign of a dazed and confussed mind that scoffs at what they don't understand.
OK, continue your blathering pointlessness
Are you a board troll? I thought they threw those out here.