Politicians follow the dictates of nature, on whom the world pins their hopes. Fail.
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Politicians follow the dictates of nature, on whom the world pins their hopes. Fail.
?? Politicians have ignored nature time and time again. Nature always wins in the end.
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Bare links are usually dishonest rhetorical devices.
They are banned from most discussion forums, for that reason - although occasionally indicated, their normal employment is as Photizo uses them: avoidance of accountability, especially in repetition of long-indefensible propaganda. He wants to repeatedly post bullshit and lies and long-debunked falsehoods without being held responsible.
They are banned from most discussion forums, for that reason - although occasionally indicated, their normal employment is as Photizo uses them: avoidance of accountability, especially in repetition of long-indefensible propaganda. He wants to repeatedly post bullshit and lies and long-debunked falsehoods without being held responsible.
In and of themselves, the links I post are simply what they are; that is, examples of dissenting viewpoints and opinions. They are posted as 'equal time' for those same dissenting views; such efforts reflect a desire for honesty, not the opposite. I have nothing to gain by being dishonest or in hiding anything. The responsibility lies with the individual reader to take the information and find out for him/herself if what is posted is in fact what you claim they are. Let the readers decide for themselves the veracity of these links and the information therein; you're not doing them any favors hoping they'll opt for your pompous pronouncements/"dishonest rhetorical devices" in lieu of their own critical thinking.
'Science' can only 'reveal' what the clumsy, oafish, ploddings of those doing the 'science' manage to glean from their surroundings. Some of it is useful and accurate to a degree, but still--at best--approximations, while most other 'gleanings' not so much. An example of the latter would be your interpretation of my comment as shown above.
Unwillingness to accept one's status as a crippled, dependent, hence limited creature prone to dishonesty (and consequently biased) is "not honesty". Failure to adopt humility rather than pride and arrogance in the face of overwhelming complexity beyond ones capacity to totally integrate into a single, unified understanding of reality is "not honesty". Ascribing to "the best summary of human knowledge" qualities and authority not commensurate with the nature of the case is "not honesty".
Forcing others to be spoon fed a party line insisting they swallow it 'hook, line, and sinker' rather than teaching others simply how to feed themselves is "not honesty".
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sculptor
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"THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED" quoth the politicians, whereupon, they began to write the eugenics laws circa 1914(Indiana). Fifteen to twenty odd years later, those laws were carried to their logical extreme in Ukraine and then in Germany.
I know that I am biased, but whenever politicians decide to speak for scientists, and control their funding, I tend to look for alternate explanations and research.
What do politicians want beyond more tax revenues, and immunity from prosecution for themselves, and those who carry out their dictates?
So climate change is just like Hitler.
Well, I say that climate change deniers are just like Holocaust deniers. So there.
Exactly. They want more tax revenues from oil companies, and so they deny climate change as they are commanded to by the people holding their purse strings. (The idea that grad students and college professors have more political clout than Exxon executives is . . . funny.)
Seems someone was just mentioning "repetition of long-indefensible propaganda. He wants to repeatedly post bullshit and lies and long-debunked falsehoods without being held responsible." Both sides have vested interests behind their respective positions; logic dictates both cannot be right. Money is at the root of all of it. No one does anything for any other reason, at least not for long as it so bound up with providing basic needs.
You post bare links to avoid accountability for your indefensible repetition of their long debunked contents.photizo said:
Posting bare links is not teaching.photizo said:
That's not so - you have accepted politicians speaking for scientists and controlling their funding, even politicians speaking for bogus "scientists" they had to bribe or invent first and cutting funding for valuable research, quite often on this forum. The only criterion you appear to have is that what they say has been approved by rightwing authoritarian think tank spokesmen.sculptor said:
Quantum mechanics, the Beer-lambert law, and the conservation of mass and energy combine to dictate that only one side is right.
sculptor
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Here's the thing.
Sciences don't work to the lowest common denominator.
As long as there are "TWO SIDES" we have pathetic dichotomous (and thereby incomplete) concepts about the very same phenomenon.
(from an old song --) Nobody's right if everybody is wrong!
Sadly, from an anthropologist's perspective, science does tend to dichotomy. (eg: clovis first)
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Yeah.... I should have put the word side in scare quotes.
By the way, you may want to change your avatar, you should be aware that it could get you banned, and that it can be forcibly changed.
sculptor
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The avatar?
It's just a picture of the clay of one of my early sculptures. The model was a dancer who could zone out, and hold a pose unmoving for 45 minutes at a time.
Through posing and comments, she helped me learn how to see.
Really, could people find a picture of clay offensive? Does not the dedication to, and love of, the craft matter?