nope I get a standard Firefox "server no available message" It might be a regional restriction...
Climate-gate
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the data is the data is the data
there can be only evidence, not evil, good, bad or any other type evidence: simply evidence
the interpretations is where you are having your problem... not with the data itself
and i point out, again:
Overly simplified?
maybe
cogent and a very large reason for the accuracy, adaptability, self correction. dependability and ability of Science and the method
sigh
no... the data is the data is the data
the interpretations are the interpretations, not the methods, results or the observed data itself
and again, see above video
are you going to continue to go in circles and make the same logical fallacies over and over?
the data is the data is the data
No, the data simply is the data
you are again assuming some humanistic trait to the data because of the interpretation of the data
the data is the data is the data
it is NOT something just because we interpret it, it is something regardless of whether we assign anything to it or not
just like the sun
Just because YOU assign some malignant feelings to the sun doesn't mean that the sun is malignant, destructive, or anything else
it only means that you have chosen to assign a predetermined set of bias to something for whatever reason
Actually, i was thinking some of that would be good for you
just like studying the scientific method would teach you a whole lot more about why assignment of attributes to evidence is wrong
sculptor
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Darned curious, that.
This actually reinforces everything i've been trying to tell you about not only the scientific method, but that your choice of selective bias, conspiracy and more is affecting your ability to think logically or rationally...
and i will again point to this study which actually says a whole lot more about the problem than i have
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc....1371/journal.pone.0075637&representation=PDF
you are not able to rationally comprehend the physics of thermodynamics or climate and you want to talk astrophysics?
besides being OT, it only shows the irrationality you are assigning to ALL science based upon a delusional set of preconceived notions which are not based upon a logical train of thought- be it conspiratorial or whatever
and i can prove that with the following sentences you posted right after the above quote:
SO... until you can be rational or think logically
and until you can logically differentiate between the problem and some of the symptoms
there is no way we can talk
we can only agree to disagree
there is NO possible way to meet at a logical point and derive anything because there is no means of finding a logical point
this is a different server and service that is only linked to the site
the tweets run through a different system... perhaps your ISP is not allowing something or there is a problem locally
there doesn't seem to be a problem from this way... running firefox as well
are you using an anonymizer?
had any other problems lately?
do you frequent extremist sites? (these can lead to problems, infections, hacking, and much more.. .plus there is a problem with certain other bots hitting this site and collecting data as well... you likely have a lot of spam in your mail folder/spam folder from various bots that crawl this forum)
try a reboot of the computer and then clean out your cookies and temp files
after that, i suggest contacting your ISP and talking to the help/service dept.
so what data set do you wish to look at?
Who decides what data is to be viewed and assessed?
you are confusing the topic again
data is data is data....
the data is normally found during an experiment or a study
that is DATA generated by the experiment or study (as in: the sun rises in the east)
then one makes a series of predictions and a means to falsify the hypothesis
if the predictions bear out and match the observations, they become DATA
you are talking Apples and microscopic organisms
Unless you are wanting to pick a specific topic to discuss, and then we discuss a specific set of data points,
trying to argue about data is useless because you are attempting to assign human characteristics to it and i am trying to show that it simply is and there is nothing but data there
it is there regardless of your interpretations of it
hee hee ever tried to contact an ISP help desk in Australia... I guess not.. [chuckle]
I do web design/IT security as a semi retired profession and I am familiar with the net's quirkiness... thanks for the advice though.
My online activities are strictly noncontroversial, unless sciforums qualifies as controversial..
I don't use any special methods to access the web however I do have friends from around the world who may do so.
I'll try using a different floating IP address (device) ...hang on... nope same result..
Doesn't matter... I'll find out later...
true, the universe is infinitely bountiful in information (data)
but it takes a person to ask the right question to select what data to look at.
Do you agree or not?
Is using data 10 billion years old any use when describing today's universe?
Give the life expectancy of stars I doubt it
it can be... check your spam folder for something like thisunless sciforums qualifies as controversial..
they have bots patrolling the forum so you will have some crap from/because of this site
just a heads up
PS
no, never personally
but i have friends there that have run me through it.... took them a month to get on line because the ISP kept telling them to log on line to go to the help desk for help, but the problem was the router was dead and there was no means of connecting to the net...
add in the circular argument of "log on line to go to the help desk for help" and the occasional "let me transfer you to sales" etc
I got the message... yalls service sucks as bad as mine does!
hee hee what? Bots trawling this forum>>> omg really...
This site has been quite hot ever since ... nah forget it...
not
the data is always there
you are talking interpretation, not data or information
are you saying the laws of physics change from day to day?
are you implying that the laws of physics alter themselves based upon location?
I am not... and that is the bases of rational and logical thought
i can see why your are troubled though
you have a stronger background in computers and philosophy than in hard science
yeah they often say philosophy can drive you nuts... and yet with out it data is useless..just ask Plato or his best friend Aristotle ( sorry couldn't help it )
has this been proven according to the scientific method?
That the Laws of physics do indeed apply universally? Or are we just playing at being scientists and presume that to be the case? (rhetorical)
If those laws do apply what is the underlying physical mechanism that allows for such a feat?
See?
Use the scientific method properly and it is amazing to find out what you DON'T know and what you PRESUME to be true.
Just have to use it properly that's all...
@Quack
we can manipulate it, we can interpret it
We can build upon it, we can break it down to its constituent parts
but it is still there and still inanimate
just because you add carbon to steel to strengthen it, doesn't mean that there is a change in the carbon
nor does it meant there is a change in the iron
they are still there, only what we have built from it is different, or altered
is it relevant? yes. it is using a methodology that created a process that allowed us to go from point a to point x while understanding the points in between.
that is the scientific method
we are learning the What, When, Where, Why and How of the universe
the who is left for philosophy and religion to play with because it is irrelevant
the data is always there
we can manipulate it, we can interpret it
We can build upon it, we can break it down to its constituent parts
but it is still there and still inanimate
just because you add carbon to steel to strengthen it, doesn't mean that there is a change in the carbon
nor does it meant there is a change in the iron
they are still there, only what we have built from it is different, or altered
is it relevant? yes. it is using a methodology that created a process that allowed us to go from point a to point x while understanding the points in between.
that is the scientific method
we are learning the What, When, Where, Why and How of the universe
the who is left for philosophy and religion to play with because it is irrelevant
so we agree ...yes?
the data is always there
"we can manipulate it, we can interpret it
We can build upon it, we can break it down to its constituent parts..."
I totally agree with this.. we certainly can
ok, let me explain this a bit for more understanding: nothing is presumed or implied
it is tested, experimented with, and validated
If the laws of physics were different from time to time, or place to place, there would be effects that are predicted
(again, the power of the method)
not really
Do you disagree with what you have written?
I guess that means we shall have to disagree on agreeing to disagree!
therefore we must already agree... but disagree that we actually do... uhm ...agree [chuckle]
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Most likely Single IP address blocking generated from sciforums some how. This has happened many times before. The motive possibly to degrade user experience at sciforums just as the typo key malware that was here a few years ago generating annoying typos as you posted them. ( or was it just me?
)I used a different IP address on a mobile device and have no problems accessing the WashingtonPost site from Australia.
Tested now using the original IP address and all is now accessible.