Child Rapist in Heaven

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Orleander

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This guy loves children. He fantasizes about sex with them all the time. But he never does anything about it. He never looks at child porn. He never touches a child, etc.
He is a good man and does good things.
He dies and goes to heaven. His idea of paradise is sexually assaulting children.

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?
 
There will be no sex in eternity, the desire for sex will no longer exist. We will return to a child like state of being.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Adstar said:
There will be no sex in eternity, the desire for sex will no longer exist. We will return to a child like state of be.
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M*W: Even children are sexual beings. (Don't misinterpret this to be that I'm saying it's okay to assault children).
 
People talk about children a lot and though its wrong to assault children, it's wrong to assault anybody and it's still damaging. Actually a study showed that the ones most disturbed by it were teenagers to early twenties because not only are you sexually developed or developing but you're much more idealistic, looking for your own mate or first love, you are trying to define yourself and you are more aware . This assault is extremely humiliating, making them feel dirty and worthless and damaging to one's sense of core identity and self-respect.
 
Adstar said:
There will be no sex in eternity, the desire for sex will no longer exist. We will return to a child like state of being.
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The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.
 
Carcano said:
The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.
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Bullshit.

"Thus shall it be. And We shall pair them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye."

This verse from the Qur'an says that men and women will be paired amongst each other. They will be pure and beautiful. Your unattractiveness on Earth doesn't carry on into the afterlife. The 72 wives is nowhere in the Quran.
 
Carcano said:
The christian heaven perhaps, although the gospels are short on details.

Unlike the Islamic heaven, which is a erotic fantasyland...provided you happen to be male.
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I've always thought it funny that Christianity is rather silent with the details concerning heaven, but is so acute of every minor detail of hell and proud of it. :shrug:
 
Kadark said:
This verse from the Qur'an says that men and women will be paired amongst each other. They will be pure and beautiful. Your unattractiveness on Earth doesn't carry on into the afterlife. The 72 wives is nowhere in the Quran.
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"When Muslim men die and pass to Islamic Paradise (Heaven), they expect to enter a utopian dimension where wine, milk and honey flows, fruit-trees flourish and rivers gush forth with the purist water.

Here, they plan to be greeted by 72 young virgins of "perpetual freshness" (houris) who will lead them into palaces loaded with luxurious thrones surrounded by gold, silver and jewel plated furnishings.- a holy place where believers reclined on jeweled couches surrounded by the finest silks can experience unlimited erotic sexual pleasures.

Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali described the virgins as "the companionship of Beauty and Grace - one of the highest pleasures of life. In the higher life it takes a higher form...The pronoun in Arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."

The virgins, according to another Islamic commentator are "creations of God, intelligent yet soulless and created to serve the believer who goes to Paradise. They are created for the purpose of serving the believer, and as such, they don't exactly have free will. They are described as pure, beautiful, dark eyed, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams."

Quranic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ) explained more graphically that Muslim men in Paradise experience non-ending arousals and that ever time they have sex with one of the angelic maidens, they find her body reconstituted as "virgin."

"The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint," Al-Suyuti explained. " Each chosen one [Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all (will be appetizing)."

Islam's Prophet Muhammad was heard saying about Islamic Heaven: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah to Sana'a"

To assure Muslim men that they will be able to fully enjoy their heavenly rewards, Muhammad said, "A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men."
 
Carcano said:
"When Muslim men die and pass to Islamic Paradise (Heaven), they expect to enter a utopian dimension where wine, milk and honey flows, fruit-trees flourish and rivers gush forth with the purist water.

Here, they plan to be greeted by 72 young virgins of "perpetual freshness" (houris) who will lead them into palaces loaded with luxurious thrones surrounded by gold, silver and jewel plated furnishings.- a holy place where believers reclined on jeweled couches surrounded by the finest silks can experience unlimited erotic sexual pleasures.

Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali described the virgins as "the companionship of Beauty and Grace - one of the highest pleasures of life. In the higher life it takes a higher form...The pronoun in Arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."

The virgins, according to another Islamic commentator are "creations of God, intelligent yet soulless and created to serve the believer who goes to Paradise. They are created for the purpose of serving the believer, and as such, they don't exactly have free will. They are described as pure, beautiful, dark eyed, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams."

Quranic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ) explained more graphically that Muslim men in Paradise experience non-ending arousals and that ever time they have sex with one of the angelic maidens, they find her body reconstituted as "virgin."

"The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint," Al-Suyuti explained. " Each chosen one [Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all (will be appetizing)."

Islam's Prophet Muhammad was heard saying about Islamic Heaven: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah to Sana'a"

To assure Muslim men that they will be able to fully enjoy their heavenly rewards, Muhammad said, "A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men."
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Actual hadith:

Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:

The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]”

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This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.

Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical.

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If you're wondering whether men and women have "relationships", for lack of a better word, then you're correct. However, the 72 virgin myth for being a martry, the exclusion of women, etc, are all lies.
 
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

"In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls."
 
Carcano said:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

"In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn't obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls."
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Yes, of course the Qur'an offers companions (virgins) and servents for the righteous who achieve the privilege to enter heaven. This is undisputed, and there is nothing wrong with this. After all, it's called heaven for a reason. The point I'm debating (if you're supporting) is the myth of 72 virgins for being a martyr. If you'd like to continue to discuss this, feel free to type something from your own thoughts rather than copying and pasting.
 
Carcano said:
Why would you bring up martydom...no one else has?
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You're right, nobody has, but I was assuming that you were referring to 72 virgins for being a martyr since so many misinformed people have been lately. Regarding the overall concept of virgins or companions/servants in heaven within the Qur'an, yes, it exists. Is sex completely okay and natural here on Earth? If so, why not heaven? It's the least a person who shows self-restrain and self-control in this life deserves. The pleasures we avoid in this life, says the Qur'an, is our reward for being righteous.
 
Orleander said:
This guy loves children. He fantasizes about sex with them all the time. But he never does anything about it. He never looks at child porn. He never touches a child, etc.
He is a good man and does good things.
He dies and goes to heaven. His idea of paradise is sexually assaulting children.

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?
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When you get to heaven, God first of all brainwashes you to forget all those loved ones who are not kneeling by your side but are instead ever melting in their deserved lake of fire, then he egotistically conforms all to have the utmost joy in repeating his praises in unison for all of eternity. Fun.
 
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Kadark said:
Regarding the overall concept of virgins or companions/servants in heaven within the Qur'an, yes, it exists. Is sex completely okay and natural here on Earth? If so, why not heaven? It's the least a person who shows self-restrain and self-control in this life deserves.
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I thought you just said it was all allegory.
 
Orleander said:

Does he get to? Can you get kicked out of heaven? Or do you not get to have the paradise you want?
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In the first place, it is my understanding that those who believe in Christ will be redeemed. This includes adulterers, so in the Christian version, yes, he goes to heaven as long as he believes that Christ will save him.

Secondly, it seems ridiculous, given the number of sexual predators who suffer some form of mental illness, for God to reject people on the basis of conditions He willed.

Of course, that last doesn't say much; the whole point of needing Christ for redemption is that, even though God blesses our conception and birth, we are delivered to the world in a state unsatisfactory for God (e.g. born into sin).
 
tiassa said:
In the first place, it is my understanding that those who believe in Christ will be redeemed. This includes adulterers, so in the Christian version, yes, he goes to heaven as long as he believes that Christ will save him.

Secondly, it seems ridiculous, given the number of sexual predators who suffer some form of mental illness, for God to reject people on the basis of conditions He willed.

Of course, that last doesn't say much; the whole point of needing Christ for redemption is that, even though God blesses our conception and birth, we are delivered to the world in a state unsatisfactory for God (e.g. born into sin).
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I also find this odd; we are told that we cannot inherit our parent's faith or their pass to heaven but we do inherit their sin? :shrug: I shrug once again.
 
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