Nitpicking. The two are synonymous fapp and certainly as assumed this thread.Those two things are not necessarily the same. You can believe your favorite God guides chemical evolution, if you like. He has to do it in such a way that it leaves no detectable evidence that he's guiding it supernaturally, that's all.
Are you being serious? Unless one believes in an eternal universe, self-creation is the only other option compatible with atheism. That is just basic logic. Or going the argument from authority route:Self-creation sounds like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. I don't know what self-creation would look like, exactly. I assume you have something in mind.
https://www.icr.org/article/hawking-says-universe-created-itself
Here, a reminder of how it is in the real world:No. The underlying concept you want to try to grasp here is called "science".
https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/science-inherently-atheistic
You and the rest of the majority atheist gang here hammer the point that ID (that obviously includes and default presupposes an intelligent God) is 'unscientific'. Yes but only by way of how modern science is narrowly defined.
See above. In practice it positively excludes any notion of the supernatural. Widely known it's career suicide to ever posit God or anything supernatural as a possible cause or influence.Science literally just refers to knowledge. Its methods assume naturalism, unless and until there is some convincing evidence of the existence of a supernatural.
For sensible folk, any truly hitting that wall then becomes strong indirect evidence for a God. What third option is there?If, at some point, science hits a wall and can go no further in explaining the origin of life (or the universe, or whatever), then the answer won't default to God. We'd still need some positive evidence for God - or whatever else did the trick.
Ha ha. Elevating yourself above the unseemly fray? Nah, just being provocative. You already know my stated position:I'll leave you religious types to fight out the question of what is "true" religion.
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3657825/
And that was not the first time I declared it thus here at SF.