John Connellan
Valued Senior Member
chunkylover58 said:I'm not saying that you don't lose any fat at all on these diets, I'm saying that you lose some fat, but the bulk of the total weight that is lost is water (easily and quickly regainable) and muscle mass (to your detriment in the longterm scheme of things, as previously stated). This is how people lose so much weight so quickly in the beginning stages. It's been shown that it'sphysically impossible to lose more than 2-3 lbs of body fat in a week's time. Many people are reporting 5-10lbs per week or more. So, if it is impossible to lose more than 3 lbs a week and you lose 10, where does the other 7lbs come from? The bulk of that is water and muscle. Has to be...sure aren't losing bones or organs or limbs.
Are people still talking about dietin by trying to lose weight? I thought that was all over now and it is more about fat loss and waistline measurements?!
So, yes, you can and do lose some fat on diets such as Atkins, but the danger I see is the cost in muscle mass that tends to go along with it, in addition to the false hope that's garnered from the water weight that's lost, which will quickly be regained.
I thought I established that on a proper Atkins diet, u might gain muscle mass rather than lose it
Not to mention the potential for diminishment of vital nutrients. Longterm is what I'm looking at. Unfortunately, there are few studies regarding the longterm effects because few people stay on these diets for long enough to perform those studies.
Possibly but most nutrients come from animal matter anyway don't they?
It's too complicated with all the stages and stuff (which can be a draw at the beginning..."weight loss surely can't be simple because so many people have a hard time with it. If a program is complex with many stages, it should work"). The early part of the diet is boring and hard to maintain as well as being inconvenient.
U could be right here.
I went to Atkins' website and looked at their FAQ. There were a number of questions regarding constipation, diarrhea, etc. This is because of the low level of fiber in the early stages of the diet. Their answer? Take supplements! Hell...why not just eat some damned fiber! Or, "I worry about not getting enough vitamins because I'm not eating fruits and vegetables." Answer? Take supplements! ("Which, we happen to sell, by the way....") Why not just eat some damn fruits and vegetables and get your vitamins?
Definitely a problem for carnivores
the number on the scale goes down, so whether it's fat, muscle, or water they're losing, they don't care because they've lost weight...so it's good.
Yes, a terrible attitude eh?!