Cannabis reclassified in UK

Captain Kremmen

Captain Kremmen

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Well, Gordon Brown's initiative in reclassifying Cannabis from Class C to Class B
seems to be a success. Here's a conversation I overheard on the 42a Bus.

Awwight John. Why don't you come round my house this afternoon.
I've got Grand Theft Auto Four and some good weed.

Sorry Dave, weed is for me no longer.

Whyyyyy? You love weed.

Well Dave, they've moved weed back from Class C, which meant it was OK
to Class B, which is more dangerous like. 'Fraid I can't smoke it no more.
Too risky.

Thanks for telling me John. I may pack it in myself.
But at least we can play GTA. At least that's not illegal.

Fraid not Dave. We're under 18, so that's illegal too.

How does this sound then. Come round my house, and we'll have a game of pingpong and a glass of milk.

I'm in.

(Linguistic Note: Dialogue edited to make comprehensible. They actually called it Granfeftawtoforwah)
 
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I heard something about that. Supposedly the reason is that pot is now 3 times as potent as it used to be. Is that true? If so, how did it happen? Do drug lords have selective breeding programs or genetic engineers working to perfect their pot? Or is it just switching to some other variety of canibus?
 
They have been bred to contain more of the active chemical THC, and are grown intensively indoors under artificial light. They look different to the old plant, which was very leafy.
The original plant was very beautiful, with finely cut leaves, and the Victorians commonly grew them as a houseplant.
The new plants are unattractive, and slightly sinister looking.
 
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I think this really illustrates what a joke our drug laws have become - the reason Gordon Brown put this law through is public and media pressure to look tough - and that's what all our politicians do with drug laws - they would rather look, talk and act tough and be wrong than find real solutions - while around them the problems get worse.

I say we take a complete rethink of supply side drugs control and look at approaches to production.

For example - while the taliban have moved into the opium trade to fund their fight against the forces occupying their country - it is actually grown by peasant farmers as their primary cash crop - this is a similar situation for many drugs - cocaine and weed are also good examples.
We need to set up buying organisations in these countries that guarantee to beat the prices of local drugs barons - the products bought can then be sold on to industry - i.e pharma and or paper/textiles.
Overall I reckon this would be considerably cheaper and more effective than current policies.
The trouble is that unless there's a bunch of cops with sticks and guns, and increasingly harsh punishments, its seen as weak - regardless of whether it would work or not - and politicians would rather be wrong than appear impotent.
 
I don't smoke much anymore ( don't enjoy it anymore), so just how potent is this new hydro dakka?

Twenty odd years ago we used to get all kinds of mindblowing shit.
Sinsemilla, Thai sticks( bound in hemp twine, wonderful things), Mullumbimby Madness (hippy shit from Australia's subtropical Byron Bay region), Atherton heads ( Buddha's own patch) etc.
Not to mention Afghanny black hash and caps of hash oil...fuck me!

Just how does this skunk(?) etc, measure up?
 
Spud Emperor said:
I don't smoke much anymore ( don't enjoy it anymore), so just how potent is this new hydro dakka?

Twenty odd years ago we used to get all kinds of mindblowing shit.
Sinsemilla, Thai sticks( bound in hemp twine, wonderful things), Mullumbimby Madness (hippy shit from Australia's subtropical Byron Bay region), Atherton heads ( Buddha's own patch) etc.
Not to mention Afghanny black hash and caps of hash oil...fuck me!

Just how does this skunk(?) etc, measure up?
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Skunk is basically sensimellia - unpollenated female plants - but it has been selectively bred over the years for increased potency and yield

Also back in the old days, Sensi was expensive and relatively rare unless you were very friendly with a Rasta - now it is pretty much all you can get.
 
The amount of Cannabis I've ever smoked in my life would fit into a very small tobacco tin. Never really got on with it.
I don't smoke it, and wouldn't smoke it now if you paid me to.
In my opinion, it is bad for your health, equal to drink, and I certainly wouldn't both drink and smoke Cannabis.

But that's not the point.

The point is why some self rightous little schmuck like Gordon Brown
feels he has the right to ban me from self harm.
To criminalise me if I should dare to be a less productive member of society.
By his lights mark you. No hippy ever started a war.
That's like he has more rights over my body than I have.

I sound amused, but that is my manner. I am enraged.

I am not advocating drug use. It is a crutch for the disabled.
People who feel fulfilled from their lives, would probably not take them.
Neither Cannabis, Alcohol, nor Tobacco.

Tackle the causes of the problem Gordon.
Or have a spliff yourself for god's sake!
You look like you need one.
 
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John99 said:
as potent as possibly capable of growing in a sponge. i think it called hydo too.
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You are right John. Pay no attention to Spud, he's just received a gypsy curse.

They grow it indoors, with a system called hydroponics.
 
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synthesizer-patel said:
Also back in the old days, Sensi was expensive and relatively rare unless you were very friendly with a Rasta - now it is pretty much all you can get.
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About 15 years ago, I was at Blues Fest in Chicago with a friend of mine when this black guy approached me and said, (with a pretty thick "black" accent) "Hey man, you wanna buy some sense?" I had no idea what he was talking about, so I said to my friend (who was on the side opposite to the black guy), "Um, this guy wants to know if I want to buy some sense. Is that a joke? What's sense? He said, "He means sensimillion" I still had no idea what he was talking about. So he said, "POT! it's good stuff!" Finally I turned back to the black guy and said (in a loud, drunken voice) OH, YOU MEAN MARIJUANA! YOU WANT TO KNOW IF I WANT TO BUY SOME POT, RIGHT?"
 
If it is too potent, can't you dilute it? It would also make it cheaper...
 
drug laws don't discourage higher potency (If you are caught with an ounce of weed that's what you get prosecuted for - regardless of potency)- because supply-side enforcement doesn't and has never worked, competition amongst dealers increases, lowering prices and increasing potency.
 
This is a good decision: drugs are very dangerous to children, all of them, and all efforts must be made to put sellers and users behind bars.
 
The market in the UK has a demand for the strongest possible form of weed, maybe this demand comes from the street suppliers or maybe from the smokers themselves. I used to smoke a lot but gave it up simply because it was ridiculously strong, i also know a lot of poeple who feel the same way. This is why i can understand Brown's decision despite thinking it isn't necessarily the correct one. The only other way to alleviate the problem would be to de-criminalise it further allowing a more open market and so increasing the availabilty of different less potent varieties, however that is something the British people certainly aren't ready for!

Politically speaking then this is another glowing example of the Brown's inept governement poorly handling another sensitive issue.
 
David Goldstein said:
This is a good decision: drugs are very dangerous to children, all of them, and all efforts must be made to put sellers and users behind bars.
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The sellers of alcohol are already behind bars.

Message to Gordon Brown.
Look Gordon, keep your fat meddling fingers out of things,
and stop trying to control everything.
 
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David Goldstein said:
This is a good decision: drugs are very dangerous to children, all of them, and all efforts must be made to put sellers and users behind bars.
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David - Your kind of attitude is part of the problem - rather than seek a genuine solution, you've settled for second best: retribution and punishment.
The fact is that whatever the sentence for posession or supply of drugs -how ever many cops we put on the case - people still take them, people still sell them.
This is clearly evidenced by the fact that we have used the same tired old prohibition and supply-side enforcement policies for 50 years, and they have acheived nothing except to make drugs cheaper, more available, and more potent.
One of the definitions of insanity is performing the same actions over and over and expecting different results.

There are better solutions, but politicians lack the will to tackle them
 
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