canaan or Palestine,or is it eretz yisrael?

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It have never been a land called Israel or Yeretz israel,according to the history. Abraham lived around 1800 BC in Ur, Babylon (Mesopotamia, now Iraq), Can’aan (Palestine), and later in Makkah. He is the ancestor of Jews, and Arabs, and ideologically, of all Christians and Muslims. Isaac was his son from Sarah, and Ishmael (Ismail) was his son from Hagar (Hajirah) From his son Isaac descended Jacob (Israel) and the Children of Israel. Through his other son, Ishmael descended the Arabs and God’s last Messenger, Muhammad, the exalted.

Abraham’s father Azar, as the Chief Priest, was the most powerful man in Babylon, next only to the King. As the progeny of Azar, Abraham and Ishmael were entitled to the luxurious and powerful office of the Chief Priesthood in the court of King Nimrod. But they sacrificed all temptation in order to follow the Commands of God and strove to establish True Monotheism wherever they lived.

[Footnote: Midyan was the name of Prophet Abraham’s son from his third wife, Qatoora. His progeny had settled in the Arabian Peninsula as well, and Prophet Shoaib (Jethro) was sent to the Midyans during the times of Moses]


OT 23 THE BOOK OF ISAIAH

11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

MY HUMBLE RESEARCH: The lost tribes of Israel had migrated to Afghanistan and Kashmir, and in time, embraced Islam. Encyclopedia Americana, 'Lost Ten Tribes' vol XVII.

The House of Israel had divided into two clashing factions after Prophet Solomon's death in 928 BC. His mighty kingdom got split into a northern kingdom called Israel with its capital Samaria, and a southern kingdom called Judah with its capital Jerusalem.

The two tribes of Benjamin and Judah inhabited the southern kingdom whereas the remaining ten tribes lived in the northern kingdom.

Assyrians (the ancient West Asian Empire) invaded the Samarians and took them captive to their capital Nineveh in 721 BC. Since then, they have been so mysteriously scattered through history that they are still referred to as the lost tribes of Israel! Some surviving Samarians intermarried with the Assyrians, and their progeny has been called Samaritans. Only about 500 of the Samaritans are surviving in the present day Israel.

The other kingdom, Judah, based in Jerusalem was invaded and completely devastated by the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, in 586 BC. He destroyed Solomon's Temple and took the two tribes captive to Babylon.

King Cyrus the Great of Persia, after defeating Babylon in 538 BC, allowed the surviving 5% (about 50,000 out of a total of one million) Jews to gradually return to Jerusalem. This reverse exodus took place over a period of 140 years.

Sadducees and Pharisees were the two major Jewish sects during the times of Jesus Christ. The latter are the only surviving sect of Judaism today, although there has been further schism among them.


An interesting point is that first of all,the original inhabitants of palestine were tha Canaanites,the forefathers of the Palestinians,And the name palestinians is synonymous with "Canaanite".


second,The jews were the tribes that migrated from Egypt to the Land of Canaan,Palestine.Then they lived alongside this people.Third,as generally happens,the people mixed over the years.

then two great religious revulotions happend in Canaan,Palestine. one christianity,other was islam.some converted to islam or christianity.The jews were the only ones who were not affected by these changes,wich encompassed all leveld of society.

Todays jews refer to a forced exile of jews from the land of canaan,wich took place 3000 years ago.In history this even is mentioned in a vague manner,and only on the basis of jewish sources.Not all the jews were exiled by Nebuchadnezzar.Their forced deportation was due to the protests of the canaanites,the true owners of Palestine.

All the important religious political and social changes,such as the advent of christianity and islam,took place 500 to 100 years after this event.The evidence indicates that the jews did not emigrate to the West,and the western ashkenazi jews are the descendants of people who converted to judaism.Only the sephardi ,or eastern jews ,who lived in Iran and Arab countries could claim that there was a time when they had acturally lived in Palestine.Ashkenazi jews are in fact khazars.

They mixed with other jews,but they are not descendent from the 12 sons at all.Genetid testing by isrealis confirm the origin of Ashkenazis,linking them to the people around tha cacus mountains,such as Turks. See Haplogroup R-m17

Ashkenazim have an elevated frequency of R-M17, the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow. In the present study of 495 Y chromosomes of Ashkenazim, 57 (11.5%) were found to belong to R-M17. Detailed analyses of haplotype structure, diversity and geographic distribution suggest a founder effect for this haplogroup, introduced at an early stage into the evolving Ashkenazi community in Europe. R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious
Khazars.

Ashkenazim were found to have a significantly higher frequency of the R-M17 haplogroup compared with Sephardic and Kurdish Jews. Interestingly, Behar et al6 reported R-M17 to be the dominant haplogroup in Ashkenazi Levites (52%), although rare in Ashkenazi Cohanim (1.3%) and Israelites (4%). R-M17, the most common haplogroup in Eastern Europe, was suggested to have originated and started to expand in the Ukraine, probably in a Paleolithic population after the Last Glacial Maximum about 13 000 years ago.
The average frequency of the haplogroup R-M17 in Ashkenazi Jews (11.5%, 57 individuals) is significantly higher (P<0.05) than that in Sephardic Jews (3.9%), Kurdish Jews (4%) and Palestinian Arabs (1.4%).
 
j.a.g said:
It have never been a land called Israel or Yeretz Israel,according to the history. Abraham lived around 1800 BC in Ur, Babylon (Mesopotamia, now Iraq), Can’aan (Palestine), and later in Makkah. He is the ancestor of Jews, and Arabs, and ideologically, of all Christians and Muslims. Isaac was his son from Sarah, and Ishmael (Ismail) was his son from Hagar (Hajirah) From his son Isaac descended Jacob (Israel) and the Children of Israel. Through his other son, Ishmael descended the Arabs and God’s last Messenger, Muhammad, the exalted.

Abraham’s father Azar, as the Chief Priest, was the most powerful man in Babylon, next only to the King. As the progeny of Azar, Abraham and Ishmael were entitled to the luxurious and powerful office of the Chief Priesthood in the court of King Nimrod. But they sacrificed all temptation in order to follow the Commands of God and strove to establish True Monotheism wherever they lived.
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Nimrod is a mythic figure, as is Abraham. Also, in the bible there are 3 generations between the two.

Ur, aka Sumer (5000ish bce - 1900ish bce) predates Babylon (1700ish bce - 539 BCE with a few breaks here and there) significantly. The Jews were freed by Cyrus king of the Persians when he conquered Babylon in 539 bce.

In 1800 bce the area was ruled by the Amonites.

Also there is good reason to believe the Jews were polytheists like everyone else before they caught monotheism from a renegade Aten priest named Moses.
 
There is also the issue of the Torah being lost at some point, after the Romans destroyed the temple and all the religious books [in their typical scorched earth campaigns], probably during/after the destruction of Jerusalem

Meanwhile the Jews had become embroiled in a civil conflict of their own, splitting the resistance in the city among two factions; the Sicarii led by Simon Bar Giora, and the Zealots led by John of Gischala.[30] Titus seized the opportunity to begin the assault on Jerusalem. The Roman army was joined by the twelfth legion, which was previously defeated under Cestius Gallus, and from Alexandria Vespasian sent Tiberius Julius Alexander, governor of Ægyptus, to act as Titus's second in command.[31] Titus surrounded the city, with three legions (Vth, XIIth and XVth) on the western side and one (Xth) on the Mount of Olives to the east. He put pressure on the food and water supplies of the inhabitants by allowing pilgrims to enter the city to celebrate Passover, and then refusing them egress. Jewish raids continuously harassed the Roman army, one of which nearly resulted in Titus being captured.[32]

After attempts by Josephus to negotiate a surrender had failed, the Romans resumed hostilities and quickly breached the first and second walls of the city.[33] To intimidate the resistance, Titus ordered deserters from the Jewish side to be crucified around the city wall.[34] By this time the Jews had been thoroughly exhausted by famine, and when the weak third wall was breached bitter street fighting ensued.[35] The Romans finally captured the Antonia Fortress and began a frontal assault on the gates of the Temple.[36] According to Josephus, Titus had ordered that the Temple itself should not be destroyed,[37] but while the fighting around the gates continued a soldier hurled a torch inside one of the windows, which quickly set the entire building ablaze.[38] The later Christian chronicler Sulpicius Severus, possibly drawing on a lost portion of Tacitus' Histories, claims that Titus favoured destruction of the Temple.[39] Whatever the case, the Temple was completely demolished, after which Titus's soldiers proclaimed him imperator in honor of the victory.[40] Jerusalem was sacked and much of the population killed or dispersed. Josephus claims that 1,100,000 people were killed during the siege, of which a majority were Jewish.[41] 97,000 were captured and enslaved, including Simon Bar Giora and John of Gischala.[41] Many fled to areas around the Mediterranean. Titus reportedly refused to accept a wreath of victory, as he claimed there is "no merit in vanquishing people forsaken by their own God"
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After 70 CE, when was the next time the Torah was put together?
 
Because this is what Zionist revisionist books teach them. Now look, they are using the Romans (Europeans) to wage their proxy wars against Muslims. How times change.
 
j.a.g said:
MY HUMBLE RESEARCH: The lost tribes of Israel had migrated to Afghanistan and Kashmir, and in time, embraced Islam. Encyclopedia Americana, 'Lost Ten Tribes' vol XVII.
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I have done some research on this topic as well. Genetic tests were carried out by the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and then they were further compared to other ethnic groups. It seems that both the Afghanis (Pukhtoons) and the Kashmiris, along with Punjabis, Tajiks, and Baloch, are ethnically an Indo-Aryan people. There is no Semitic heritage. All the people of the region are genetically related to the Persians and the Central Asian Turks.

The Israelis attempted to gain converts to Judaism with this rhetoric early on the 1900s, as they did in Ethiopia. They failed to realize that the people of these regions were fully Islamicized. Whatever similarities between the people of this region and the Jews came about through their conversion to Islam, i.e. male circumcision, ritual animal sacrifice, etc.

All the important religious political and social changes,such as the advent of christianity and islam,took place 500 to 100 years after this event.The evidence indicates that the jews did not emigrate to the West,and the western ashkenazi jews are the descendants of people who converted to judaism.Only the sephardi ,or eastern jews ,who lived in Iran and Arab countries could claim that there was a time when they had acturally lived in Palestine.Ashkenazi jews are in fact khazars.

They mixed with other jews,but they are not descendent from the 12 sons at all.Genetid testing by isrealis confirm the origin of Ashkenazis,linking them to the people around tha cacus mountains,such as Turks. See Haplogroup R-m17
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Completely correct.

khazaria_map.jpg


The Ashkenazis (from ancient Khazaria) are isolated from the Middle East by the Caucasus mountains and on the Black sea on the left and the Caspian Sea on the right. There is evidence to suggest a iron and copper (bronze) barrier built in the past in this region, Dar e Alan, the Persian name for the region implying a Bronze/Iron Gate. Strangely reminiscent of the prediction of Surah al Kahf http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/18.htm#83
 
S.A.M. said:
But why did they choose Palestine? Why not a Roman name?
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Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts.

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "the Philistine Syria" using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the "three Palestines." After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman "Palaestina". Quoting Golda Meir:

The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity. [In an article by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, November 25, 1995]

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
 
swarm said:
Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts.

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "the Philistine Syria" using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the "three Palestines." After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman "Palaestina". Quoting Golda Meir:

The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity. [In an article by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, November 25, 1995]

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
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Could you find a source that has more of an axe to grind?


I mean for fucks sake they promote bigoted Ideas of Jordan is a Palestinian state. The Palestinians aren't a people.



Swarm your just another bullshit bigot blaming the Palestinians for having the audacity of refusing to give up their rights to make the jews happy.
 
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Phoenicia didn't exist in present day Palestine, it existed in present day Lebanon and W. Syria, so that's irrelevant


The same, largely, goes for canaan


Palestine was named by the Romans as Philistine, going off the Jewish tale of David vs the Philistines.

Although names are moot. The fact of the matter is, it was "Palestinians" (Arabs) that occupied the land for hundreds of years before 1948; it was Arab land. The end.


No peoples have a "right of return"; all nations are built on the blood of others. If Isreal is given a "right of return", then the natives must also be given a "right of return" to take over the New World and kick all non-native Americans out

And all the other countless lost civilizations
 
swarm said:
Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.
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And DNA studies show that Palestinians have lived in their land since neolithic times. What is the history of the Philistines based on?

And before they adopted the gods of the Canaanites, the Hebrews were Egyptians. There is no evidence that modern Jews = Hebrews or Israelites. The Torah itself shows Abraham birth place as Ur, in Iraq. DNA studies on moern Jews show they are more closely related to Kurds than any other Arab or Arabised population which supports an origin in the northern part of the fertile crescent and makes them Indo-European rather than semitic
 
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