Can some sceptics debunk this for me:

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crazymikey

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Im sick and tired of hearing this, and I cannot find any debunks of this either. Anyone who can debunk this, or is this really true? :bugeye:

ANCIENT CITY FOUND,
IRRADIATED FROM ATOMIC BLAST

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race...

http://www.rense.com/general3/8000.htm
 
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The article seems a bit skewed, so it is hard to tell how straight-forward the author is being.
I, for one, would love to know more.
I have recently begun studying ancient Indian scriptures, and have heard far too many wonderous "truths" about them to accept them readily (UFO's, technological advances, atomic warfare, etc), but I would like to see some unbiased historical evidence one way or another.
 
I agree with you One Raven. I am not sure how authentic any of the information in this article is true. Has this irridated city really been uncovered? Is this passage really literal from the ancient scripture, or a bad translation to conform with the authors views.

It is hard to digest, that this could be true. Then again, no one has proven it to be untrue. I hope we found out soon enough.
 
I have a few translations of the Mahabharata at hand, but I don't know what book this is supposed to come from.
The Mahabharata is comprised of 18 books.
I will do some searching, though.
 
Here is the passage from one translation of the Mahabharat, which sounds more digestible, though still very suggestive of a nuclear war. That is probably because I am seeing it from the perspective of finding a nuclear war. What do you think?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m16/m16001.htm

Vaishampayana said: "When the thirty-sixth year (after the battle) was reached, the delighter of the Kurus, Yudhishthira, beheld many unusual portents. Winds, dry and strong, and showering gravels, blew from every side. Birds began to wheel, making circles from right to left. The great rivers ran in opposite directions. The horizon on every side seemed to be always covered with fog. Meteors, showering (blazing) coals, fell on the Earth from the sky. The Sun’s disc, O king, seemed to be always covered with dust. At its rise, the great luminary of day was shorn of splendour and seemed to be crossed by headless trunks (of human beings). Fierce circles of light were seen every day around both the Sun and the Moon. These circles showed three hues...
 
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If the version of the Mahabharata that is read has 12 books, then the part is supposed to be in book number 6.
If the version is broken into 12 sections, then it is supposed to be in section 7.

It is called the Drona Parva.

Still looking.
 
Excerpt of the Drona Parva Chapter ten:

Drona's son then began a colossal carnage on the front line of battle. He
piled up a mountain of heads from the Pandava army. Then touching water and
invoking the Narayana astra, Ashvatthama aimed that invincible weapon at the
Pandava army. The earth began to tremble and a great wind storm appeared on the
Kurukshetra plain. In the heavens hundreds of thousands of celestial arrows
appeared with flaming mouths. Maces, battle axes, Sataghnis, javelins and
discs, effulgent as the sun, appeared in the sky, numbering tens of thousands.
Coming down upon the Pandava army, those weapons began to destroy countless
men. That divine weapon, owned by Lord Narayana, began to consume the Pandava
army like a wild fire consumes dry grass.

Witnessing the slaughter of troops, all the Pandavas fell into anxiety, not
knowing what to do. Lord Krishna, the protector of His devotees, then ordered
the troops, "Lay down your weapons and descend from your chariots, horses and
elephants. If you lay weaponless on the earth, this astra will not harm you. If
you even think of battle within your mind, this weapon will kill you. Give up
all thoughts of war and fix your minds in a peaceful state."

Hearing this advice, all the soldiers threw down their weapons and laid on the
ground. However, Bhimasena, refused to surrender to the weapon. He yelled to
all present, "None of the warriors should lay down their weapons. I shall
oppose this astra. With my heavy mace, I shall stop the force of this weapon. O
Arjuna, you should not lay down the Gandiva bow for a stain will come upon your
glory."

Thus addressed by Bhima, Arjuna replied, "My vow is that this Gandiva bow
shall not be used against women, cows, brahmanas and or any weapon owned by
Lord Narayana." Bhima did not heed Lord Krishna's advice or the action of
Arjuna. He rushed forward on his chariot to challenge Ashvatthama. Drona's son,
smiling all the while, then began to direct the astra at Bhima. Indeed, that
great weapon passed over all the soldiers and concentrated on Bhima's head.
Suddenly Bhima appeared like a fiery mountain. Quickly Arjuna covered him with
the Varuna weapon that cooled the blazing heat. He released that weapon so
quickly that no one knew of it, not even Ashvatthama. The Narayana astra built
up in strength, and the chariot of Bhima was blazing with fire. Seeing the
certain death of Bhima, both Arjuna and Krishna rushed to save him. They jumped
in his chariot, which was protected by the Varuna weapon and forced Bhima to
the ground. Bhima was sighing like a snake and refused to part with his
weapons. Then Lord Krishna pacified him, "O son of Pandu, although I have
forbidden you, you have not thrown down your weapons. If Arjuna could have
countered this weapon, then I would have never recommended the army stop
fighting. Just see, all the warriors have given up their weapons. If you do not
do the same, this weapon will destroy you." Bhima then reluctantly threw aside
his weapons and laid down upon the ground. Thus pacified, the Narayana astra
refrained from killing the Pandava troops.

When the heat of that weapon had cooled, sweet breezes began to blow and a
fragrant aroma appeared in the wind. Beholding the pacification of the Narayana
astra, the Pandavas again stood ready for battle. Duryodhana rushed to
Ashvatthama and requested, "O foremost brahmana, release this weapon again for
the Pandavas are forming their troops for victory."

"O King," Ashvatthama replied, "that weapon cannot be invoked again. If it is,
it will undoubtedly slay the person who releases it. Vasudeva has baffled this
weapon. I will, however, use my other weapons for slaughtering the Pandava
host."

Making this resolution and seeing Lord Krishna and Arjuna present before him,
Ashvatthama invoked the Agneya weapon which caused intense fire to appear.
Arrows with intense flames fell upon the Pandava soldiers scorching their
bodies. Ashvatthama then directed that weapon toward the chariot of Krishna and
Arjuna. The Agneya weapon killed thousands upon thousands of chariot fighters,
elephants and horsemen like a forest fire destroys trees. To save the Army,
Arjuna invoked the Brahmastra weapon which countered the weapon released by
Ashvatthama. When both weapons were withdrawn, the Pandavas saw that a full
akshauhini division had been burnt by the weapon. So scorched were the soldiers
that they could not be distinguished. Both armies thought that Krishna and
Arjuna had been killed by the weapon, but upon seeing them in their chariot,
the Pandava warriors cheered loudly and blew their conchshells.

When his astra had been baffled, Ashvatthama did not know what to do. He
descended from his chariot and ran away from the fight. As he was leaving the
battlefield, he came upon Vyasadeva. He offered his obeisances unto him and
spoke to him with tearful eyes, "O great sage, why has my Narayana astra born
no fruit? This fiery weapon has the power to destroy the whole Pandava army.
Why then has it been pacified after the slaughter of only one akshauhini
division of troops? O great muni, I desire to hear of this in detail."
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one_raven said:
Excerpt of the Drona Parva Chapter ten:
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That sounds incredible, mind weapons, and some form of energy weapons. However what I find quite illogical, is how such wonderous weapons or being used in conjunction with elephants, horses, bowmen, spearman, macemen. That can't be realsitic; sure could be mythical though.

Are you sure this passage relates to the same passage quoted in the original post. The original translations mentions Vrishnis and the Andhakas, and they are again repeated in the passage from sacred-texts. If I am not mistaken, from the research I have done, this war happens much after the war of Kurekshetra.

Thanks for your effort there, it's very interesting.
 
Sounds like a meteor strike to me.

Indian civilization has existed an awfully long time, probably long enough to experience at least one good meteor hit. The only one in recent memory was in an isolated area of Russia, but imagine one landing near an ancient Indian city, would it not prompt the descriptions you are quoting?

:m: Peace.
 
Quite possibly Goofy, however it is not a convincing argument . As the descriptions blatently suggest that a weapon was deployed, and also provide the reasons and the past events that follow up to this calamity.

If we accept the passages before the calamity to be documenting real history, then it would be inconsistent not to accept the passage describing the calamity. If it were a meteorite strike, I would expect something like this, "Suddenly, a fireball from the heavens, the wrath of God, fell and reduced to ashes an entire race." Whereas the text is specifically specifying a known person, in a flying craft, deploying a weapon.
 
This is very interesting. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire and brimstone. I'm not saying a nuclear strike, just the similarities are interesting.
 
The proposed answer for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Apparently the cities were on a fault line. A lot of bitumen, natural gas, sulfur and petroleum in the area. The suggestion is that an earthquake forced this material into the atmosphere, sparking on the way through the crust and coming down in fire therefore destroying both cities.


http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/sodom.html
 
I noted a couple of things that immediately stood out: 1) much of what Jeff Rense touts as "truth" is utter fantasy; 2) there were no sources to follow in order to get at the "scientific" evidence (i.e. the "arch[a]eologist Francis Taylor" and his published findings).

So I dug a little... not much, just enough to see what was and what was not.

The only reference I could find to a "Francis Taylor" was Taylor, Francis Henry, 1903-57, American museum director, b. Philadelphia. He apparently was not an archaeologist... so I went to Anthropology Plus, perhaps the worlds largest anthropological database. The closest match was Taylor, Franciscio Manzo who apparently co-authored a paper titled Clovis fluted points from Sonora, Mexico with Manuel Robles Ortiz. His only bibliographical entry and it was in 1972. Not our guy.

So I gave up and looked for references in archaeological/anthropological databases for "Rajasthan" and "radioactive." This is what I found:

NUCLEAR FANTASY said:
The Rajasthan Atomic Power Station Unit-1 had to be shut down. More than 2,000 workers were exposed to excess radiation and 300 had to be hospitalized. [...] Surendra Gadekar, leading light of Anumukti, a Gandhian nuclear resistance group, points out that the nuclear dream is really a nightmare. 'The scientists and bureaucrats in charge of our nuclear program are above accountability,' he laments. He and his doctor wife Sangamitra investigated the condition of villagers at Rawatbhatta in Rajasthan, where they discovered gross radiation-related deformities.

This is a story told to Surendra Gadekar. One day in Narora a worker with a geiger counter went to take tea in the canteen. His geiger counter suddenly went crazy. On investigating he found that the radioactivity was coming from the fire used for preparing the tea. Further investigation led to the discovery that the wood being burnt had originally been used for scaffolding inside the plant, and had got contaminated and hence should have been stored as low-level waste. Instead it had been sold to a contractor, who had fortunately sold it back to the canteen: hence this sordid practice of how the establishment deals with its waste was detected.
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Could it be that someone in the Indian government contrived a story using some ancient mythology to reinforce it in order to cover for gross negligence... even if that someone was at a low-level office (mayor, councilman, etc)? Or perhaps local residents searching for explanation turned to mythology and legend?

Whatever the real story is, it seems clear that there is no "ancient city destroyed by nuclear weapons." These weapons are a product of the last 50 years...
 
1. There is a government defense laboratory in Jodhpur, Rajasthan.
2. No standard newspapers carried the news
3. Indian Archeology department does not know anything about this
4. Indian colleges know nothing about this.

So...make up your conclusions.
 
First of all,

this is a piece of crap.I and my family are orignially from Jodhpur,There was no such thing found.I know the place.Pinpoint the location to me,and i will tell you what was found and what was not.

I have heard fairy tales too,i have seen Jurassic Park too,does that mean they are all true?

Whats up with you guys? anyways, Here we are now; So entertain us.

bye!
 
It must be fabricated then. That is rather cheap of whoever spread this news.
However is that passage from the Mahabharat also fabricated, or is there some truth in it>?
 
There is a high probability that Mahabharat happened many thousands of years ago. Even before that we had Ramayan. Either they are science Fiction or based on stories told by people after the great disaster.

I would like to believe that there was an advanced technologically sophisticated civilization in the Earth's past. Exactly when that was - is debatable. The proof could be found only in India and China as people start digging to build new high rise houses and factories. This could happen in the next 10 to 15 years.

But if these stories that talk about other planets are true, then we should also be able to find such evedence on the Moon, Mars etc. where major digging is not necessary. Time will tell.....
 
Mahabharat has detailed descriptions of Acccurate phenomenons.For example there is an accurate description of usage of laser beam with the help of Vimanas(airplanes) to destroy enemy targets,also Nuclear War has been described accurately there.But we cannot verify these events.These events could be real as they sound,because of all detailed descriptions at the same time they could be myths.We would never know for sure.If we can learn something from Vedic and other Pauranic or Epic texts,some new theory or something that might help us to go forward,then the myth will just go away.


bye!
 
see
http://www.veling.nl/anne/templars/ancientaircraft_nf.html

Ancient Egyptions Had Flight
Exerps..
"Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mecrcury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth."
The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: "The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives."

The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendour... An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entirerace of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.... the corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.... after a few hours all foodstuffs were infected.... to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment..." It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war! References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books. One even describes a Vimana-Vailix battle on the Moon! >>

The above section very accurately describes what an atomic explosion would look like and the effects of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into water is the only respite. It then said the world became stone age again, as this type of writing would imply.

also

>>> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ancatomicwar1.html
Ancient Atomic Warfare
When the first atomic bomb exploded in New Mexico, the desert sand turned to fused green glass.
Archaeologists digging in the ancient Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and a layer of herdsman culture much older, and a still older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass. ( African desert, Egypt Great Sand Sea near the Saad Plateau, Libyan Desert Glass (Over a thousand tonnes of it are strewn across hundreds of kilometres of bleak desert. Some of the chunks weigh 26 kilograms, but most LDG exists in smaller, angular pieces--looking like shards left when a giant green bottle was smashed by colossal forces)).

Known meteor impact craters, such as the one at Wabar in Saudi Arabia, are littered with bits of iron and other meteorite debris.

Vitrified Forts ( Scotland, France, Turkey and the Middle East, California's Death Valley )
In this vitrification process, huge blocks of stones have been fused with smaller rubble to form a hard, glassy mass.

When Hiroshima was being rebuilt, stretches of sandy soil were found to have been atomically changed into a substance resembling a glazed silicon permeated by a saline crystalloid. Little blocks of this were cut from the mass and sold to tourists as souvenirs of the town--and of atomic action.

India and Pakistan ;- These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal.
thousands of fused lumps, christened "black stones", have been found at Mohenjo-Daro. These appear to be fragments of clay vessels that melted together in extreme heat.

Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified!
Kashmir is also connected with the fantastic war that destroyed the Rama Empire in ancient times. The massive ruins of a temple called Parshaspur can be found just outside Srinagar. It is a scene of total destruction. Huge blocks of stone are scattered about a wide area, giving the impression of explosive annihilation.

Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ancatomicwar2.html>>>>>

and the stories go on... it does make one wonder what has actually been going on in the distant past.

que Twilight Zone music.......
 
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