Can a preacher be sincere and intelligent and still perform his duties?
Have you ever heard a church sermon that didn't involve talking down to the congregation or that didn't sound like a kindergarten teacher telling stories to her kids?
Sure. I've heard some great sermons. After one of the more recent shootings, a local Unitarian minister gave a remarkable sermon about what we could do locally both to support the people who were grieving and to help make sure such things didn't happen in the future. And it was all about changing in attitudes of respect for others, not about gun control or new laws.Have you ever heard a church sermon that didn't involve talking down to the congregation or that didn't sound like a kindergarten teacher telling stories to her kids?
https://fbcpasadena.com/teachings?offset=1497812400798Of course. I expect that the majority of them are exactly that.
Yes.
From your posts, you don't strike me as the devout or church-going kind.
If a real religious person encounters a style of preaching that they don't like, maybe they need to look for a different congregation.
Or maybe they need to remain a while and think a bit about why they didn't like it. Simply tuning out everything we don't want to hear might not always be the best path.
Part of why some people might perceive what they hear as "talking down" is that what they are hearing is moral exhortation and they may perceive that as implicit moral judgement regarding how they are living their lives now and the need to change.
Ironically, many of these same people who hate preachers judging them (even if that's only happening in their own mind), judge others incessantly in their own lives. We see that happening right here on Sciforums all the time.
We are all much better at dishing it out than taking it. We are all better at telling others that they must change than we are at changing ourselves.
No.A preacher's duties are inherently incompatible with intelligence, at least as far as recognizing their own delusions.
But I don't find them intelligent with respect to their belief in god. They may have been intelligent in other ways. I would also grant some amnesty depending on the age in which they lived. Present day preachers no longer have the excuse of scientific ignorance.There are - and were in history - many very intelligent people, a lot of them scientists - who believe in God (I assume that's what you mean by 'delusions').
Belief in God is not a litmus test for low intelligence.
There are - and were in history - many very intelligent people, a lot of them scientists - who believe in God (I assume that's what you mean by 'delusions').
Darwin, Newton, Marie Curie, Freeman Dyson...
I think what you meant is - not God - but religious fundamentalism.
Yes. Knox Presbyterian in TO. Great choir, too, and terrific acoustics.Have you ever heard a church sermon that didn't involve talking down to the congregation or that didn't sound like a kindergarten teacher telling stories to her kids?
OK, then I guess that doesn't seem to have a bearing on the OP question. You're answering a different question.But I don't find them intelligent with respect to their belief in god. They may have been intelligent in other ways. I would also grant some amnesty depending on the age in which they lived. Present day preachers no longer have the excuse of scientific ignorance.
I've known quite a few preachers who were quite intelligent. Pretty much everyone has delusions; preachers aren't unique in that (or even exceptional in that regard.)A preacher's duties are inherently incompatible with intelligence, at least as far as recognizing their own delusions.
yes. the local Methodist church has a former biker turned preacher who is quite intelligent and regularly shares humourous anecdotes to tie lessons in with reality... a story about his last quote that was shared with me by someone in the church came from an adult sunday school lesson where the students wanted to know about the details of one of the disciples: "[patting the bible] this is not real - it's faith."Have you ever heard a church sermon that didn't involve talking down to the congregation or that didn't sound like a kindergarten teacher telling stories to her kids?