Far said:
Could you at least confirm my statement that you're against anal sex but for masturbation and oral sex? When is the last time you masturbated some other guy? Do you like it when the guy's got a beard who is sucking you off? Do you have a beard? Does it tickle?
So you think you can defeat me by portraying my assertions as nothing but my own fantasies and needs!
Well, nice try!
My threads are not my personal opinions or tastes. They are based on my extensvie work with men. And a study of male sexual behaviour all over the world. And I'll share all of that. It's all documented by the western scientists.
Far said:
Yes. And I mentioned cultural relativism and thus why I couldn't really judge your culture based on my own. I only mentioned your culture as a means of perhaps placing you in perspective for the 'folks at home'. I also mentioned your culture because we who read you here get so little from you since you've got this insanely one-track mind and all that we only taste such a small fragment of your culture and a twisted version of it at that.
Another attempt at ducking the issue by trying to make it a 'cultural issue'. Why don't you face the issues instead of ducking them.
I am not talking about this culture or that. I'm talking about the nature. My endeavour is to get at the nature of men, by removing the influences of cultures.
And almost all of my evidences have been from western sources. Whether it is the biological research on animals or the research papers from American Universities or various quotes from western scientists, anthropoligists and Philosophers. Even the evidence from Afghanistan was procured by the westerners.
Far said:
Although, it is quite possible that it's not as twisted as it may seem. I'm giving your culture the benefit of the doubt here. I think you're the crazy one, it's quite possible that your culture doesn't suffer from the treatment you offer it. This would be bad for your culture. But. Again. Cultural relativism and all.
Again, whether my culture is twisted or not, the response of a seemingly scientific forum to an issue like this proves amply that the west is utterly twisted and fucked up. For all its claims of being a free and fair society.
Far said:
Skirting what issue? Do I have the urge to masturbate with my male friends?
That your powerbase depends on making 'heterosexuality' seem the majority, normal and manly thing to do. But you can't defend that stand with arguements. So you resort to skirting the issue and trying to personalise, trivialise, culturalise, the issue and seek to divert attention by abusing, accusing, ridiculing, calling names, threateing and whatever else you guys can think of.
Far said:
To suck them off while they suck me off? No. I don't. I guess that makes me part of your 5%. You won't believe me, I know. But I don't expect you to.
You're right. I don't. It's not my fault. If only in real life, those who profess the heterosexual identity could stick to their profession.
Far said:
As to honor killings... nah. I just wondered is all. I'm not that interested in the subject to start a thread on it. It's relevant here and that's why I asked. You're the one who's talking about women being whores, you know.
If you can put down men by calling them 'gay' for their 'unacceptable' sexual behaviour, why are you so sensitive about women being called 'whores' for their unacceptable sexual behaviour. I said that to expose you people.
Far said:
Apples and oranges. The labels don't match. A man is a 'homo' if he has sex with another man just like a woman would be a 'homo' (lesbian) if she has sex with another woman. I think that the label 'whore' should apply to both if either of them have sex outside of wedlock. Do you believe in man-whores? Apparently not, right? Is there a negative connotation to a man who has sex (with a woman) outside of wedlock or is the fault entirely the woman's? And what of lesbian sex?
The word whore and homo are perfectly and indirectly proportional to each other. When a society becomes anti woman, it run downs women's unacceptable behaviour as 'whore'. When the society becomes anti-men it runs down unacceptable male seuxal behaviour as 'homo'.
You won't find men being run down as 'homo' in a pro-male society, becuase every man indulge in it. You won't find the heterosexual society running down women as 'whores' because society wants to promote casual hetero-sex.
On the other hand, the heterosexual society went ahead and concretised the word homo by giving it scientific credence. Without any proof of course!
As the society goes from pro-man to anti man, the word 'homo' starts surfacing, and the word whore starts losing its sting. This is an integral part of 'heterosexualisation' as I'm witnessing it in my own culture.
Far said:
My culture is alirght with men sucking each other off. Therefore, by your standards, it's not 'anti-men'.
No your culture is not alright with men sucking each other. They are only alright with homosexuals sucking each other. I mean I have generated this furore only because I am saying that men too want sex with other men.
And yes, your society is definitely anti-man. Its a society of wimps. For wimps are not sensitive to the needs of men. They are only sensitive to the needs of women. They would gladly allow women to rule over the entire male race.
Just see how the heterosexual men come up to defend women, but are against the idea that their is any pressure of social masculinity on men --- not of heterosexuality (if we are to believe them)!
Far said:
Your problem is with the label 'gay' which is a personal problem, I think. You're gay. Accept it. You like sex with men. That's gay. By definition. Maybe we could call it 'weak homosexuality' seeing as how you don't go in for anal sex.
No, I'm very clear about my identity. Thank you! And I'm not gay. In fact I have already shown you that the word gay does'nt mean what its alleged to mean. Your definitions are faulty. Why else are you guys afraid of discussing your definitions.
And why are you interested in my identity in any case? Why are you so eager to label me as 'gay'. I can tell you why. So that you can sideline everything that I'm saying as being a 'gay' issue. So then you won't have to deal with what you see as threat to your 'social masculinity'.
Sorry, no success to you so far!
Though its a challenge, if you can answer my questions about the defintion of 'gay', 'straight' heterosexual, homosexual and sexual orientation, I will readily admit that I'm gay.
ARe you man enough? I guess not!
Far said:
What about felching? You like to taste semen, right? So, would you like to suck it from a straw from another guy's ass? And what about declawed hamsters?
Just as much as you like wearing dresses and being whipped by dominant females, like true heterosexuals are supposed to do.
Far said:
Here's a question. What about if you stuck your penis in the guys armpit and sorta fucked his armpit? Or what if there were two guys and they laid belly to belly and you came up behind them and fucked them, not in their asses, but sorta between them, you know what I'm saying? Or how about if it was in the guys ass crack? And you sorta pushed his ass cheeks together while you did your thing?There's lots of ways to 'masturbate' aren't there? Where do you draw the line?
And do you spit or swallow?
What if your make up got ruined while you're licking stuff from your dominat woman's pussy!
Far said:
Are you turned on right now?
I'm sure you're heading for your dresses right now.
By the way, did you know that the high point of 'heterosexuality' is transexuality. You become who you love. Like attracts like. Only a person who feels he's a woman from inside can be a true heterosexual.
Is there any other 'scientific' things there is left for you to say, or can I go do my work?