Death control without Birth "control" should be promoted so human populations grow!
Originally posted by Dougermouse
If you have death control, you must have birth control, it's that easy. Otherwise you have a runaway population and all of mankind suffers. I wish the bible thumpers would at least be even about it. If birth control is changing the wishes of God, then getting medical treatment for sickness and injuries should be too. As much as I miss Jim Henson, at least he was true to his beliefs and died from an easily treatable disease.
Either birth control and all other medical treatments are "moral" or all aren't. Death control is just as moral (or not) as birth control, to see otherwise is against logic.
But asking hard core religious types to be logical is like asking a pig to fly.
No, we should have "death control" without any anti-life "birth control." Why should humans be against "runaway" population growth of our own kind. I think we should be a little more honest and admit that a prime and logical purpose of "environmental" and medical efforts, should be to help the human population enlarge and allow more and more people to benefit from living.
You think that somehow "death control" goes against the wishes of God? When why does
Deut 30:19 , say to "choose life?" Sounds like the Biblical bias is towards like. Why does Gen. 1:28 and 9:1 say for people to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth? That surely means that the human population is supposed to be large and growing. The billions of people alive now, was foretold all the way back in Genesis.
Genesis 24:60___And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.
I don't believe humans need to "control" everything. Somethings should be left to God. I don't believe it is worth trying to control all wilderness forest fires in God's wildlands that humans have not yet spread out enough into, to tame the land or forests. I don't believe humans should make any effort at some illogical war on population against our own kind. People quite often enjoy having large and "unplanned" families. I posted on some other forum discussion about what things were "cool," and I said large families are cool. Some woman responded and said she likes her large family. She didn't bother to say how many children she had at that time, but I checked her profile, and it said 4 sons and 5 daughters, or vice versa. 9 children!
People benefit from human population growth. Not only do more people get the opportunity to live, but most people probably contribute more to society than they consume or waste, so population growth generally accelerates technology growth, and helps improve the standard of life, even as human populations grow denser. Don't believe that? Then how come people are depopulating the countryside to move to the crowded cities? So many people leave the countryside that its population generally doesn't grow. Past predictions of huge megacities, seem also to have turned out to be somewhat exxagerated. It turns out that people live in more but smaller cities than some people thought would occur in the future. I think depopulating the countryside for the opportunity of the city is probably a somewhat negative trend, but it is social, economic, or political, not a "population" problem. It would be better if cities inevitably grew more from the natural increase of all the people already living there, than from the influx of rural people who feel rural life doesn't have as much to offer as the city.
Now sure, get your pets "fixed," if you don't plan to breed them. Pets are unable to care for their growing numbers without more human masters to adopt them. Pets don't need offspring when they have us for their "families." But humans take more time to multiply and can adapt ourselves and the environment for our burgeoning numbers, so we need not worry about limiting our birthrates. Population pessimists or self-appointed "experts" prattle with their anti-human rhetoric and population scare tactics as if humans breed as easily as rabbits without "scientific" "birth control." The Population Bomber have us convinced that without anti-life "birth control," a baby would pop out every year. Not only do few people ever manage to have as many as 20 children, if a family did, it would probably take a good long time and the older children would help with the younger children. These ideas are paraphrased from Mary Pride's Book, "The Way Home; Beyond Feminism Back to Reality." But it takes so much work to raise another billion children, that I find it ludicrous the idea the pessimists promote that if we aren't careful, we will someday wake to a world that suddenly has "too many" people. I don't consider myself "too many," and you probably don't either. And "those other people" are much like us, so they probably don't consider themselves "too many" either. So we shouldn't relegate people to mere numbers or cold population statistics. If human populations get big, then let them be big, and they need to be big, because most everybody wants to live and have children.
The Bible also promotes both large families and large population.
Ps. 127:3-5 3___Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
4___As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
5___Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.
Proverbs 14:28___In the multitude of people is the king's honour: but in the want of people is the destruction of the prince.
All these questions I hadn't thought of.