Re: Re: reptiles
Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
Birds are reptiles in the same way mammals are reptiles, in other words; not anymore.
not exactly, which is why i made the point. mammals, birds and reptiles are three different classes of vertebrates, and because birds are paraphyletic relative to reptiles, it has been suggested that birds are just modified reptiles (i.e. they belong in the Class Reptilia).
Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
Also I did not think the similarities between the placental wolf and tasmanian tiger were a case of convergence, I thought they shared a common ancestor.
All living organisms have a shared common ancestor, but there are still convergent characters. The carnivoran (I mean this in the literal sense, not the taxonomic sense) characters found in the Tasmanian wolf (and the Tasmanian devil for that matter, both modified kangaroos) are convergent, i.e. they evolved separately and independently of carnivoran (meant in the taxonomic sense, not the literal sense) characters.
Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
I thought marsupials were the base from which all mammals evolved. And so assumed it was a similar case of reptiles branching out to make birds and mammals, so the tree gliding lizard eventually lead to birds, the warm blooded reptile with parental instincts lead to mammals, the marsupial possum lead to lemurs, the marsupial wolf lead to at least a wolflike creature that evuntually lead to wolves etc.
But then would this require a convergence in regard to becoming placental?
Which would actually be far more remarkable
not to worry; you're in a safe place. remember, evolution is not directional. all extant marsupials are as evolved as all other mammals (the placentals and monotremes). I can't draw a tree here, but see this tree ====>>>
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/V/Vertebrates.html
There are much better trees in any evolution book, but the point is that if alligators and dinosaurs are reptiles, then birds are too.
Finally, species are not convergent, characters (adaptations) are.