Bible contradictions

w1z4rd

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New testament contradictions

The bible was written by men, usually in the third person, most of whom did not observe the alleged events they wrote about.

The response:

Actually they may have not been there but the may have observed them.
We don't know as a certainty. We do know they got the facts amazingly correct everytime.

Since I have problems trusting some people with certain belief structures I decided to put this claim to the test, and found it to be a lie. If the facts were perfect why are there the following contradictions in the new testament?

Problems with Joseph

Matthew and Luke disagree

Matthew and Luke give two contradictory genealogies for Joseph (Matthew 1:2-17 and Luke 3:23-38). They cannot even agree on who the father of Joseph was. Church apologists try to eliminate this discrepancy by suggesting that the genealogy in Luke is actually Mary's, even though Luke says explicitly that it is Joseph's genealogy (Luke 3:23). Christians have had problems reconciling the two genealogies since at least the early fourth century. It was then that Eusebius, a "Church Father," wrote in his The History of the Church, "each believer has been only too eager to dilate at length on these passages."


Problems with dates:

2. According to Matthew, Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great (Matthew 2:1). According to Luke, Jesus was born during the first census in Israel, while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2). This is impossible because Herod died in March of 4 BC and the census took place in 6 and 7 AD, about 10 years after Herod's death.


Where was Jesus born?

Both Matthew and Luke say that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Matthew quotes Micah 5:2 to show that this was in fulfillment of prophecy. Actually, Matthew misquotes Micah (compare Micah 5:2 to Matthew 2:6). Although this misquote is rather insignificant, Matthew's poor understanding of Hebrew will have great significance later in his gospel.

Luke has Mary and Joseph travelling from their home in Nazareth in Galilee to Bethlehem in Judea for the birth of Jesus (Luke 2:4). Matthew, in contradiction to Luke, says that it was only after the birth of Jesus that Mary and Joseph resided in Nazareth, and then only because they were afraid to return to Judea (Matthew 2:21-23).

In order to have Jesus born in Bethlehem, Luke says that everyone had to go to the city of their birth to register for the census. This is absurd, and would have caused a bureaucratic nightmare. The purpose of the Roman census was for taxation, and the Romans were interested in where the people lived and worked, not where they were born (which they could have found out by simply asking rather than causing thousands of people to travel).

When did the last supper happen?

In Matthew, Mark and Luke the last supper takes place on the first day of the Passover (Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7). In John's gospel it takes place a day earlier and Jesus is crucified on the first day of the Passover (John 19:14).

Who bought the Field of Blood?


a. In Matthew 27:7 the chief priests buy the field.

b. In Acts 1:18 Judas buys the field.

How did Judas die?


a. In Matthew 27:5 Judas hangs himself.

b. In Acts 1:18 he bursts open and his insides spill out.

c. According to the apostle Paul, neither of the above is true. Paul says Jesus appeared to "the twelve" after his resurrection. Mark 14:20 makes it clear that Judas was one of the twelve.

In Matthew 19:28, Jesus tells the twelve disciples, including Judas, that when Jesus rules from his throne, they will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Pieces of silver?

According to Matthew 26:15, the chief priests "weighed out thirty pieces of silver" to give to Judas. There are two things wrong with this:

a. There were no "pieces of silver" used as currency in Jesus' time - they had gone out of circulation about 300 years before.

b. In Jesus' time, minted coins were used - currency was not "weighed out."

By using phrases that made sense in Zechariah's time but not in Jesus' time Matthew once again gives away the fact that he creates events in his gospel to match "prophecies" he finds in the Old Testament.

We can start with this small few and work our way out from there. Saquist appears to be very wrong.
 
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Geographical contradictions:

1. The author of Mark states that Jesus cast out demons from a man and into a couple thousand pigs while in Gerasa. The pigs then ran down a steep place and into the Sea of Galilee. Galilee is about 30 miles from Gerasa.

2. Matthew's author changed the earlier Mark to Gadara, which is still 5 miles from the shore of Galilee. The earliest manuscripts are Mark, which state Gerasa. But even if it were Gadara and Mark's author was wrong (leaving one to wonder why we should trust "as gospel" the word of either since they cannot agree -one is obviously deluded), did Mark's author run to keep up with the pigs for 5 miles just to watch their fate?

3. The author of Mark also wrote that Jesus traveled from Tyre to the Sea of Galilee, about 30-50 miles (depending on the route) in order to reach Sidon, which was back on the Mediterranean coast, yet another 40-50 miles! The wisest of wise men took a 70 mile journey, on foot, to reach his destination. Talk about taking the scenic route. A more likely explanation is that the gospel was invented by an author that was simply ignorant of Palestinian geography (in other words, had never been there; in other words, wasn't an 'apostle') and thought Sidon was on the coast of the Sea of Galilee.
 
Is it possible that atheists take the writings in the bible more literally than Christians?

I would be willing to be that the greatest creators (creative) have allways been theists. Where would we be as a society without them?

So why the animosity?
 
Because of the inability of a certain subset of believers to admit the clear issues within the text they follow.

Since the bible plays such a large part in modern society, understanding it is important. If when reading it, clear complications appear, questions will (and should) be asked. When a group of people who hold themselves up as the purveyors of the book seem to ignore the contradictions, and keep spouting "it's perfect", instead of answering the questions asked of them, frustration will arise.
 
Excellent observations w1z4rd and SkinWalker. Let me add one:

John 5:46,47
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

Jesus states here that Moses "wrote about him."

The Contradiciton: If you search the entire writings of Moses in the Old testament from Genesis to Deuteronomy you will find no references to Jesus.

Ironically, this supports Muslim's beliefs.
 
Is it possible that atheists take the writings in the bible more literally than Christians?

Not until we point out the serious errors in that bible, then it goes from literal to "you're not supposed to take that part literally, it's just a story".
 
Excellent observations w1z4rd and SkinWalker. Let me add one:

John 5:46,47
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

Jesus states here that Moses "wrote about him."

The Contradiciton: If you search the entire writings of Moses in the Old testament from Genesis to Deuteronomy you will find no references to Jesus.

Ironically, this supports Muslim's beliefs.

Not until we point out the serious errors in that bible, then it goes from literal to "you're not supposed to take that part literally, it's just a story".


Can it be in the interpretation? In the example abover the author claims a contradiction claiming Jesus um...Is it John that is claiming he was written about?

And if Jesus was not born at the time the OT was written how would he be referred to in name?

I never read either version but it sound like a misinterpretation by the poster.
 
"Originally Posted by nds1
Excellent observations w1z4rd and SkinWalker. Let me add one:

John 5:46,47
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

Jesus states here that Moses "wrote about him."

The Contradiciton: If you search the entire writings of Moses in the Old testament from Genesis to Deuteronomy you will find no references to Jesus.

Ironically, this supports Muslim's beliefs."

I am just repeating what i allready posted.

Is it John that is claiming he was written about?

And if Jesus was not born at the time the OT was written how would he be referred to in name?
 
Is it John that is claiming he was written about?

It is the author of the book entitled "John" who is claiming that Jesus made this claim.

And if Jesus was not born at the time the OT was written how would he be referred to in name?

I never said he would be referred to by the exact name of "Jesus." Isaiah never included the name "Jesus" in his prophesies, did he?

I am talking about Moses writing something to the likes of:

"And the Lord shall send forth to the earth a man who will changeth the world forever. This man shall be called the Son of God, and will be born by the Holy Spirit. This man shall be the King of Kings in heaven and on earth and shall die for the sins of everyone and shall redeem all of man for man's sins."

Oh, by the way, notice how the term "Holy Spirit" or "Trinity" is never used in the OT.
 
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I saw this on another forum and pasted this into worpad'cause it is pretty cool:

4:8 [We are] troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair;

4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
 
I saw this on another forum and pasted this into worpad'cause it is pretty cool:

4:8 [We are] troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair;

4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

So I am not wrong then John? Good.
 
Can it be in the interpretation?

It is quite apparent to state that as humans we all do find meaning in things slightly differently.

I remember back in the day when I was a kid in English class. Our teacher gave us some homework to do, (which was to explain the meaning of the poem 'The Pike', by Ted someone or other). The next day I handed in a sheet of paper, blank except for my name on the bottom. My teacher asked me why I had done this to which I explained that it was an impossibility to explain what Ted meant, or more to the point what it meant to Ted when he wrote it. I could offer my own opinion on what it means, but that would be what it means to me, not to him or anyone else.

You'd think a book of god would differ in that it was universally understood. To me that would give it the value, that would make it something exceptional. Instead us humans are debating, (and have been for millennia), over simple sentences. It is however apparent that we're debating over simple sentences because you can find in that same book another simple sentence that says the exact opposite thing.

Even Ted no matter how much he could try could never cause such confusion. You can find your own 'meaning' in The Pike, but personal meaning does not change the fact that the bible contradicts itself time and again and nor does "interpretation" explain those errors away.
 
Disagreements between Paul and Timothy:
Thes:God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.
Tim: God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved.


Disagreements between Matthew and Timothy:
Mat: Take therefore no thought for the morrow.
Tim: But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Mat:But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly.
Tim: I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands.


disagreements between Paul and Paul:
Cor: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Rom: O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

edit: oo, forgot this gem:
Gal:For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Cor:Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
 
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