No current model can
cover it all. Some future model may.
d__No. i see it that ANY model can only ever BE A model. it can never represent the whole
Model's of time
and human emotional perception are from two different fields, hence they
are different (as you have correctly pointed out).
d__thanks
I see, kind of like the 4 primary seasons on Earth. They change over time.
While 'cylical' doesn't exclude change I can see how 'spiral' symbolically
includes it and is aesthetically more attractive.
d__apparently the image of the spiral is THe earliest discovered image!
Yep, it's really cool stuff. People are still exploring it all and keeping abreast
with current cosomology events can help satisfy that interest.
d__there was a fascinating serions about M-theory on Uk Tv a little while back
Ahhh, in this case 'YOU' seems to be referring as sentience / conciousness.
In this scenario, 'YOU' is the result of a complex network of chemial and
electrical impulses (the brain). There is evidence that supports this and
no evidence that contradicts it. Before that brain goes live, 'YOU' does
not exist. After all activity in the brain ceases, 'YOU' does not exist. I
hope this makes sense.
d__kind of. of course this thread is called before BB? and before Life? meaning..we just DO NOT KNOW. it is not certain. it is indeterminate, ambiguous. i feel in my heart of hearts that the real radcial revolution must come from us EMBRACING ambiguity
I think I understand what is being expressed here. If we're talking about
feeling alienated from nature then this is more of the result of how we
evolved (as a species) and the environment we are in. Living in high rises,
programming computers, maximizing productivity, stock markets, ... these
are all human inventions. As a species we have an inherent satisfaction
with hunting and gathering (farming). Of course we have created an artificial
environment for ourselves and many people feel out of sync with nature. In
the past few hundred years we've introduced increadible environmental
pressures on ourselves and are self-focusing natural selection towards
modern life. Those who cannot adapt will be unhappy and less likely to
procreate. Those who can will be happy and more likely to procreate.
d__ i see it more as deliberate patriarcahl oppression on the people. it is something really happening. it is alright to say and feel 'YES. i AM oppressed. this is NOT written into 'natrual evolution'!
On a sidenote, a fact and reality are one in the same. Reality shows us
how things are (the fact). If we choose to accept something else as
true then reality at some point may come and contradict our acceptance.
If I believe that I cannot be harmed by fire then reality would contradict
my belief the moment I stepped into a raging fire.
d__'facts' to m are cold hard things. unflexible and unorganic. sure they look alright set in stone, but REAL life is a breating thing which has sometimes short gasps. to reassure needs a loving outlook, not a factsheet
"So you are being a bit superior here claiming that that is wrong and modern science is right, right?...that UNLESS one is a professional scientist one cant wonder or voice this wonder, and explore about things, cause it wont be authentic--as the scientists exploration is.
The response is defensive and not aligned to what my original post stated.
What can be seen is that my post was interpreted as a threat and met
with defensiveness.
And one of our interpretations is closer aligned to the truth (good ol'
facts / reality). It's interesting to note that people with better alignment
tend to have a natural advantage in today's science-tempered culture.
d__they are harder. more indoctrinated. are they to be my role models, and the homeless to be my scapegoats?
In the time of crusades (or equivelant), this may have been a disadvantage.
I can just see Einstein being burned alive for heresy.
d__which means that the science REACTION wan;t to REAL spirituality, but to a FALSE spirituality. this is the problem i see with science. for when they 'rightly' through that out, they also through original spirituality out also. though maybe unconscious of doing so.
Poetry is a fun means for creative expression. I've written some for school.
It's a good exercise for the brain and can elicit some very satisfying
feelings.
d__Feeelings are important
Science enables us to experiment with reality, make observations of reality,
predict outcomes of reality, and create things in reality. Cell phones and
GPS units are inventions based on scientific knowledge. The fact that they
work as expected validates the 'correctness' of the models they are based
on. There is no phiolosphy involved here. Reality is what it is.
d__well that is what i am disputing. sure i can see cell phones. i can also seethe immense advertizing of them to children even though there is evidence they may HARM children. THAt is reality.
Look, science don't come on its ownsome. like the theocratic paradigm before where religion merges with State, so it is with science and State. with that inevitably comes a philosophy. a paradigm. in our case materilistic and mechanistic.
Science is
the best tool we have to understand it and do stuff with it.
d__A tool. not 'the best'
It's a fact that all information is processed by a person's emotional
center first. It's a fact that people have emotional needs (they want to feel
happy, they don't want to feel accused, they don't want feel heavy
obligation, they want to feel heard, etc.). It's a fact that people feel (it's
another survival mechanism).
d__but you make it SOUND like a machine. this is what i am pointing out. that is THe philosophy of science!
The reason all this knowledge exists is because of science. It helps
us unco
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