Beauty and the Ugly guy

What people do is that they settle down with the best person they can get who is willing to settle for them. "Best" in this context involves physical appearance and mental qualities such as sense of humour, caring nature, intelligence and so on. There is some variation in the importance that different people place on different qualities, but the end result is that you'll rarely find a long-term couple with great disparities in physical attractiveness, intelligence, or social skills, unless the positives of a partner in one area more than make up for perceived deficiencies in another.

When all is said and done, though, couples more often than not end up having about the same level of physical attractiveness, measured "objectively". The only exceptions tend to occur when the less attractive partner happens to be incredibly rich or powerful. And those relationships don't always last.
 
I guess I just have a lot of criteria, that my potential partners must meet. I don't usually go for the either or they have to have all of the above or they aren't good enough for me. And I don't settle for much less, that probably why I never actually dated that many boyfriends, seriously. My standards are really high.
 
And I don't settle for much less, that probably why I never actually dated that many boyfriends, seriously. My standards are really high.

Same here! I know so many people who will go out with a blob, and I can't understand that. For me a guy has to be devastatingly good looking. And preferably also amicable, talkative, reasonably left wing, and a metal head like me.
 
I tend to not trawl shopping centers, libraries or bars looking for or at men. So I wouldn't know.:)

Well, you are married but when you are single and looking, that is what ppl do.

Why wouldn't you 'wander over' and get to know someone who you think might be interesting, regardless of their looks? Or would you look first before sauntering over? You see, I don't shun people because they are 'ugly'. Then again, I tend to not go to bars simply to pick up men. So I guess you are better than I am on that score.:)

I have never gone out to pick up men. It has always been the other way around. Men have always started talking to me. I am not a bar /club person either, I just used that as an example because a lot of single ppl do that. I have never sauntered over to anybody for that matter, I am too shy for that. You are kidding yourself though to think that most ppl out there are that open to just chatting up someone they don't find attractive just to see if they are a nice person, men especially.

Over the yrs I have dated much better looking men then I actually settled down with. If I was all about looks I would have snagged them. It isn't all about looks but you have
to have that chemistry, spark, when you are with the person. If they are physically not attractive TO ME (and to each his own) I can't see it working out. I am not that stupid
to think looks are going to last forever, that is why I want more substance behind them. I am turning 39 myself next month and I am not as HOT as I was 10+ yrs ago and Nietzsche is only 34. We all get old and less attractive as time goes on.

It is kind of like the men you see when you are out. They might be fairly attractive and their wives are not attractive what so ever. You ever notice those men eyeing up
the attractive women that go by? They go out of their way looking, staring sometimes. Could this be a sign that maybe they "Settled" for their unattractive wife, but really
wish she was as attractive as the women he is eying up? I think ppl who "Settle" will find it will come back to bite them in the ass later in life.

I know because I have had this happen to me. Where the husband is just in his own world basically like his wife isn't even there. I think to myself when it happens, you are a prick buddy. Stop staring at me and start paying attention to your wife.
 
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I linked to an excerpt from Norah Vincent's experiences as living as a man in a recent thread. Here is another:

The women I met wanted a man to be confident. They wanted in many ways to defer to him. I could feel that on many dates, the unspoken desire to be held up and led, whether in conversation or even in physical space, and at times it made me feel quite small in my costume, like a young man must feel when he's just coming of age and he's suddenly expected to carry the world under his arm like a football. And some women did find Ned too small physically to be attractive. They wanted someone, they said, who could pin them to the bed or, as one woman put it, "someone who can drive the bus". Ned was too willowy for that. I began to understand from the inside why Robert Crumb draws his women so big and his diminutive self begging at their heels or riding them around the room.

Yet as much as these women wanted a take-control man, at the same time they wanted a man who was vulnerable to them, a man who would show his colours and open his doors, someone expressive, intuitive, attuned. This I was in spades, and I always got points for it. But I began to feel very sympathetic toward heterosexual men - the pressure to be a world-bestriding colossus is an immensely heavy burden to bear, and trying to be a sensitive new age guy at the same time is pretty well impossible. Expectation, expectation, expectation was the leitmotif of Ned's dating life.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/18/gender.bookextracts

I think that women, who seem on average to be not as concerned about the physical appearance of potential mates as men are, have the better end of the bargain. The ability to be attracted to someone for who they are (something people have a degree of control over), rather than what they look like (something we have much less control of) is enviable. Falling in love with someone's looks can mean having to put up with a terrible personality. Which many men are willing to do if a woman is pretty enough. Something I don't think most women understand about most men (many of us at least) is that we can be strongly attracted to women that we do not like. We can enjoy having sex with women we don't like. I personally don't think I could, but I can admit that I've known women with horrible personalities that I thought were very pretty. In my experience, women don't usually compartmentalize in that manner. If they dislike a man, they don't find him attractive.

Men have the better end of the bargain when it comes to making up for physical shortcomings by becoming successful and powerful.

Newly Promoted Marketing Executive Treats Self To Girlfriend Upgrade

LOS ANGELES—Ever since he was hired by Kaiser, Seifert & Briggs Marketing Group two years ago, Sean Gordimer has been striving to impress the company's top brass. A 1995 graduate of the University of Southern California with a B.A. in business administration, the 23-year-old Gordimer has put in 60-hour weeks and attended every marketing seminar possible in an effort to get noticed and land that big promotion.


Sean Gordimer

So on Monday, when a Kaiser, Seifert & Briggs' vice-president informed Gordimer that he'd been chosen to be the new associate director of corporate communications for the Wellstone-Howe account, and would, subsequently, receive a $20,000 raise, he couldn't help but celebrate.

"As soon as I found out I got the promotion, I ran to the phone and called my girlfriend Kelly [Schayes]," a smiling Gordimer said, recalling that magic moment toward which he had worked for so long. "I told her we were through."

The next day, the newly promoted Gordimer treated himself to a girlfriend upgrade, replacing Schayes with L.A.-area restaurant hostess/aspiring actress Robyn Turner, 21, whom Gordimer described as "a notch more attractive" than his previous partner.

"Kelly was extremely good-looking, no doubt," Gordimer said. "It's just that her breasts were somewhat on the small side, and, frankly, I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me a little. Fortunately, as the new associate director of corporate communications for the Wellstone-Howe account, I was finally able to do something about that."
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29777

Yes, it's cruel, but the humor lies in its only being a slight exaggeration of reality. As Robert Crumb noted, forget fairness.
 
Crumb is awesome. He'd get a compatriot of his to take pictures of typical American city landscapes so he could draw all that miscellaneous shit in the back ground(water towers, wire poles, industral boring-ass crap no one even notices). You can even see some of that in the Comic Repo posted.

BTW Nature has always had an outlet for the beta male - Has no one ever heard of the "backdoor man"? I mean the old blues definition, not today's fuckin faggoty gay definition. All primates have this guy, whom gets to slip in the back door when that fucking asshole alpha male goes off to work, fuck his secretary, jerk off at football games. The alpha male's pretty-girl prize needs attention 24/7, not just before they are married.

Dragon don't worry about this bullshit. Go get fucked. Any means possible. You'll learn a lot of things. You'll get a lot of power. It's not some bullshit secret forbidden fruit that's not accessible to you. It's nothing special(unless the woman is special). It will put a lot of that crazy bullshit in your head away forever.
 
It's nothing special(unless the woman is special).

I will remind you of that, the next time you coming knocking. :D

Oh yeah so does this mean I can arrange for a back door man? Would it be the same if he came in the front door or the patio door? LMAO
 
I Falling in love with someone's looks can mean having to put up with a terrible personality. Which many men are willing to do if a woman is pretty enough. Something I don't think most women understand about most men (many of us at least) is that we can be strongly attracted to women that we do not like.
Interesting you should post this, repo.
The men in bold above, are the men that I would like to punch in the fuckin mouth with brass knuckles. Many women date these types of men, and quickly realize that they will put up with their bad behavior. That in turn gives them the idea that they can act like that whenever they want. Then, level headed guys like me often have the misfortune of winding up dating these types of girls (only to have to kick them to the curb quickly). Finding a good mate is hard enough w/o having to sift through bitches like that.
I cannot stand women who think they can behave and treat men however they want simply due to the fact that they own a vag.

We can enjoy having sex with women we don't like. I personally don't think I could, but I can admit that I've known women with horrible personalities that I thought were very pretty. In my experience, women don't usually compartmentalize in that manner. If they dislike a man, they don't find him attractive.
While I don't have to be in an exclusive relationship with a woman to sleep with her, I do have to like her and possibly consider her for an exclusive relationship.
I have also met women with horrible personalities that thought they were pretty. I make it my mission to let them know and/or call them out very quickly that their attitude sucks. I've even told a girl before when I was tired of talking to her and dealing with her bitchy attitude:
Me: Well, I'd love to stay and talk, but you are a total bitch.
Her: (as I was walking away) Excuse me? What did you say??
Me: (without even turning around) You heard me. I didn't stutter.

Men have the better end of the bargain when it comes to making up for physical shortcomings by becoming successful and powerful.
True, but women have the better end of the bargain when it comes to the dating aspect, especially the initial portion.
Men do most of the intial asking out. Men have to endure the rejection, as women will reject 90+% of the men who hit on them. Most women do not have the self-esteem to go through rejection that men do
 
The men in bold above, are the men that I would like to punch in the fuckin mouth with brass knuckles.

Yeah me too. It makes me sick when I see a nice guy with a total prissy bitch just because she is hot. I have seen it many times, a guy will put up with way more bullshit from a really pretty woman then an average one. But then if the guy is that vain, he deserves being treated like a piece of shit.
 
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