At Rest with our Hubble view

PartyBoy said:
Huh? When a photon is absorbed it ceases to exist? I believe the word was entropy by the way. Your description of events is farfetched. Are you serious or is this some kind of mental test to see if I was paying attention to the words I was writing?
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Yes, when a photon is absorbed it ceases to exist. Do you think when a photon is absorbed by an electron that there is a little photon in the electron?

A high energy photon can spontaneously form matter by pair production. The photon that is initiates the pair production ceases to exist and a positron and an electron are formed and come into existence. If these 2 particles meet up again then the 2 particles will cease to exist and 2 photons 'pop' into existence.

I do not know if you were paying attention to what you are writing or not but it does not seem to be connected very strongly to reality...
 
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quantum_wave said:
The article expresses the view that inflationary theory says that the distribution of temperature variations across the sky should be smooth, or isotropic also referred to as Gaussian, rather than having discernible structures within it. The anomalies are non-Gaussian and point to energy density perturbations in the earliest low entropy, high denstiy stage of the big bang arena. Regardless of the causes of the perturbations, the cosmic microwave background is nonrandom and non-Gaussian, pointing to preconditions to the big bang.

Remember why Inflationary Theory was laid in on top of GR? It was theorized as a fix to explain how the observation of the CMB could be caused by the Big Bang, and not by preconditions.

Agree or not, my so called model invokes preconditions and attributes the CMB to the energy density that was outside the tiny space occupied by the low entropy, high denstiy condition at the moment of the bang. The idea is that there is a greater universe that preexisted our big bang, and it is characterized by a cosmic microwave background perpetuated by a potentially infinite and eternal landscape of active big bang arenas in various stages of formation and maturity.

That eliminates the exponential inflation which is necessary to connect the CMB to the big bang event, and eliminates the singularity as well. Those are two characteristics of the standard cosmology that cannot be falsified, but neither can it be falsified that there were preconditions, and the simple preconditions of a preexisting greater universe immediately eliminates two of the most controversial aspects of BBT, without adding any controversial aspect other than the Big Bang did not represent something from nothing. And that makes three controversial aspects of BBT that go away with my scenario.

Hence I stand by my so called model, and the parent arena concept that would predictably cause the observed wide angle anomaly in the CMB, due to gravitational profiles of each parent arenas being imprinted on the space into which our arena is expanding, and thus imprinted in the CMB that is encountered and encompassed by our arena as it expands.

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My so called model eliminates the need for the initial singularity, exponential inflation, and something from nothing, as well as the super symmetry breaking, and the imbalance in annihilation of particles and antiparticles, and more.

Help me think about how the surface of last scattering would have to change; would it go away or chance to the surface between the expanding arena and the preexisting surrounding medium of space?

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quantum_wave said:
My so called model eliminates the need for the initial singularity, exponential inflation, and something from nothing, as well as the super symmetry breaking, and the imbalance in annihilation of particles and antiparticles, and more.
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You need to stop posting BS while trying to pass it as science because you aren't fooling anybody but yourself.
 
Surface scattered, scrambled or over easy?

quantum_wave said:
Help me think about how the surface of last scattering would have to change; would it go away or chance to the surface between the expanding arena and the preexisting surrounding medium of space?)
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"medium of space" = occupied space aka a field, depending on how a 'field' is defined.

(....) = prexisting, finite occupied space with its own special-case surface boundary.
...perhaps an eternally existent, yet finite gravitational spacetime field.........

( O ) = your Big Bang arena( universe ).

In my heat death scenarios, one aspect of the 4-fold aspect of our finite Universe--- you BB arena ---becomes a very flat 2D-like polygonal set--- _____ ---that is sandwiched between two graviational spacetime spherials--- O!O -----.

----O------
__________
-------O----------

( O ) using this texticon to represent you BB arena, with already existent gravitational arena, my guess is;

1) seeminly scattered, yet on a very smooth and very spherical surface, in causal deterministic patterns of order, of which an order we may never be able to discern or winnow out, because of our limited abilities to observe ultra-micro gravitational spacetime,

2) seemingly scrambled because, less smooth i.e. the surface has waves of lumps bulging in and out with a turning over at surface and broadcast back inward as micro inversions of EMRadiation,

3) likened to surface of our sun with extreme high burst of this or that, that do fall back in to the surface of the BB arena,
.....think water thrown on to surface of hot frying pan........

4) macro inversions that appear to us a black holes--- or some other strange celestial phenomena ---as the spaces within a finite sponge of gravitational spacetime.

r6
 
rr6 said:
"medium of space" = occupied space aka a field, depending on how a 'field' is defined.

(....) = prexisting, finite occupied space with its own special-case surface boundary.
...perhaps an eternally existent, yet finite gravitational spacetime field.........

( O ) = your Big Bang arena( universe ).

In my heat death scenarios, one aspect of the 4-fold aspect of our finite Universe--- you BB arena ---becomes a very flat 2D-like polygonal set--- _____ ---that is sandwiched between two graviational spacetime spherials--- O!O -----.

----O------
__________
-------O----------

( O ) using this texticon to represent you BB arena, with already existent gravitational arena, my guess is;

1) seeminly scattered, yet on a very smooth and very spherical surface, in causal deterministic patterns of order, of which an order we may never be able to discern or winnow out, because of our limited abilities to observe ultra-micro gravitational spacetime,

2) seemingly scrambled because, less smooth i.e. the surface has waves of lumps bulging in and out with a turning over at surface and broadcast back inward as micro inversions of EMRadiation,

3) likened to surface of our sun with extreme high burst of this or that, that do fall back in to the surface of the BB arena,
.....think water thrown on to surface of hot frying pan........

4) macro inversions that appear to us a black holes--- or some other strange celestial phenomena ---as the spaces within a finite sponge of gravitational spacetime.

r6
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You seem to be able to visualize the concept. Even maybe the idea that an expanding arena will encounter not only the surrounding medium of space, but all sorts of matter/energy preexisting outside of the expanding big bang arena. Those are the kind of things that have been contributing to the anisotropy of the CMB since the instant of the big bang event, and that now show up exaggerated and compounded by the ongoing energy density equalization between the dense state of the early arena and the low density space surrounding it, IMHO.
 
PartyBoy said:
Huh? When a photon is absorbed it ceases to exist? I believe the word was entropy by the way. Your description of events is farfetched. Are you serious or is this some kind of mental test to see if I was paying attention to the words I was writing?
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You do indeed appear to be testing whether anyone is paying attention.
 
quantum_wave said:
Tired old meaningless disparagement, typical of your knee jerk response to discussion of alternative ideas.
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Abortions of science aren't properly called alternative ideas. That's just a euphemism to shore up the pretense that pseudoscience is somehow valid.
 
PartyBoy said:
Your description of events is farfetched. Are you serious or is this some kind of mental test to see if I was paying attention to the words I was writing?
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If you weren't paying attention to the words you were writing then what the hell are you doing?
 
eram said:
Non sequitur :confused:
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I think your comment about my last post being a non sequitur shows you haven't paid attention to the thread.

With my so called model, you don't need the singularity, you don't need SUSY, you don't need imbalanced matter/antimatter annihilation, you don't need the Planck epoch or exponential inflation in the first micro second after the big bang, you don't need something from nothing or "God did it", you don't need the opacity holding photon energy in a quark plasma soup for 380,000 years, and you don't need the lifting of the opacity at the "surface of last scattering", which is the comment that sent him hyperbolic.

What you do need is a whole new scenario for nucleosynthesis, star and galaxy formation, and the cause of and preconditions to our big bang that acknowledge a foundational quantum realm that underpins the fundamental level of the standard particle model. My so called model is about those things that are at the forefront of the advances in sciecne, and he is stuck in the past, not reading and questioning advances that are being made all around him. Hence, my post is not a non sequitur when taken in context.

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quantum_wave said:
A little hyperbole (link since you seem not to know much),
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Coming from you a negative appraisal is as good as a recommendation from the most esteemed members here. :thankyou:

but people stuck in the past will find it slipping away faster and faster because progress is exponential.
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Since you haven't demonstrated a working knowledge of transcendental functions, that makes your appraisal all the more problematic.

But proceed with the hyperbole. We wouldn't want to remove your foot from its present location, and cause a hemorrhage.

Not to worry, EMTs are en route.
 
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