Are we necessary beings or not?
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M*W: Ourselves.
There is no ultimate purpose so the question is meaningless.
In the total sense of the universe no one is really necessary because the universe will continue with what it is until it also ends.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
What does this mean?
If all humans were to suddenly disappear, would the universe collapse? No.
But I guess you could say that we are necessary from a deterministic point of view; just as necessary as the next mosquitoe..
You are, of course, assuming we are the only consciousness in the universe. This is a rather arrogant assumption.
God does not need us atall, he needs none of his creations he is self sufficient and self sustaining.
He created us to sppreciate his creations and to witness his creative beauty, he also made us have free will, not many of his creations actualy have free will, the angels have no free will they can only obey his commands and praise him they can't go against god or his commands, The Jinn also have free will they were created before us, his animals do not have the same free will as us we are superior in every way to his other creations on earth. we are even superior to the Jinn.
God didn't "need humans" He could have created anything he wnated to perform our special role, we have something amazing the ability to judge, the ability to think and do what we want, we even have the ability to rebel against god.
But no we are not "needed" but if you want to say we or something very much akin to us is "needed" if he wants to create the certain effect he has.
PEace.
Big Chiller
Registered Senior Member
Needed by who? Do you mean needed by God that's completely impossible, God cannot have any needs whatsoever.
Not necessary, but very probable as energy goes through its paces in the very long time it has, which may even be forever.
As for this universe in particular, we took 14 billions years, and the sun has 5 billions years more to burn. Perhaps we caught some breaks, such as the dinosaurs and 95% of all life going away giving us an opening, without which we may not have made it in time.
As for this universe in particular, we took 14 billions years, and the sun has 5 billions years more to burn. Perhaps we caught some breaks, such as the dinosaurs and 95% of all life going away giving us an opening, without which we may not have made it in time.
A relationship of contingency doesn't necessarily render one unnecessary - as a rule we only fail when we don't acknowledge the relationship of contingency ... so its more like ignorance is unnecessary than our existence, per se
Big Chiller
Registered Senior Member
Just because we're unimportant since there are billions of us is not exactly the reason we cannot be necessary in existence.