DaveC426913
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The ones you made up, you mean.I've given a list of definitions that I'm prepared to work with.
A mechanism that operates outside the laws of nature.What would mechanism would determine a supernatural flight?.
Jan, is English not your native language? Or do you have some recognised cognitive problem? He did not edit your post. He cannot edit your post unless he hacks into the system software. As he points out in the previous post, he compared your statement with a structurally and logically equivalent statement you had made.In every way. Which is why he had to edit my post.
jan.
This was wehat I thought at first too. No, it hs nothing to do with the black/white comment in quotes.As he points out in the previous post, he compared your statement with a structurally and logically equivalent statement you had made.
Your entire philosophy is well condensed into that statement.I'm stating that if they are supernatural, then by definition, they will be natural
Billvon's edit (occurring, as it does, in the middle of the sentence) does alter the meaning of Jan's words.I'm stating that if they are supernatural, then by definition, they will be natural, once having been observed, because supernatural doesn't define their nature, only our perspective.
Very well spotted. Nevertheless subsequent posts by billvon and myself seem clear in showing what had been understood.This was wehat I thought at first too. No, it hs nothing to do with the black/white comment in quotes.
What Jan has is having trouble comnunicating is that his actual words were quoted but truncated, altering the context.
This is what Billvon wrote, quoting jan:
This is what Jan actually wrote:
Billvon's edit (occurring, as it does, in the middle of the sentence) does alter the meaning of Jan's words.
That's not a "deliberate misquote." It is an analogy. Saying "if they are supernatural, then by definition, they will be natural" is quite similar to saying "Well, it's black, so by definition it's white
The ones you made up, you mean.
Jan, this is not how communication works. You are not arguing in good faith.
A mechanism that operates outside the laws of nature.
If it can not operate according to the laws of nature it is supernatural.
I cannot, for I am unaware of the supernatural existing. Thus I do not accept as plausible, claims of the existence of angels. (Excluding the metphorical variety and they are not supernatural.)Can you give an example of a mechanism ''that operates outside the laws of nature''?
jan.
Can you give an example of a mechanism ''that operates outside the laws of nature''?
jan.
Can you?Can you give an example of a mechanism ''that operates outside the laws of nature''?
I cannot, for I am unaware of the supernatural existing. Thus I do not accept as plausible, claims of the existence of angels. (Excluding the metphorical variety and they are not supernatural.)
You're telling me there's a dictionary definition somewhere that saysThey're all dictionary definitions.
Because, for the umpeenth time, you are making up your own definitions (see above), and then arguing that your assertions are correct based on your re-definition, rather than the agreed-upon term.Why not, and why not??
This commits the fallacy of foregone conclusion. Like this:I'm not saying they are either supernatural or natural.
I'm stating that if they are supernatural, then by definition, they will be natural, once having been observed, because supernatural doesn't define their nature, only our perspective.
What you have just asserted, above, is that angels have not yet been observed.I'm not saying they are either supernatural or natural.
I'm stating that if they are supernatural, then by definition, they will be natural, once having been observed, because supernatural doesn't define their nature, only our perspective.
I don't accept it. I have been arguing for some years that it is entirely plausible. (Acceptance implies I've bowed to someone else's opinion. I also think it is unlikely. However, more strongly than either of these views, I think that any attempt to estimate is of no practical value until we have more data.Do you accept as plausible that planet earth is the only planet that has life forms?
Jan.
What you have just asserted, above, is that angels have not yet been observed.
They are supernatural until observed, then they stop being supernatural.
Essentially, you've just defined "supernatural" as equivalent to "imaginary".
That's awesome.
What I am not clear of is what possible relevance my answer can have to a discussion of angels