An athiest world = a better world.

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Let me put it this way. Most WASP neo-Nazi skin heads don't kill non-Whites. However, of those that do, many do so through inspiration of WASP ideology. We can see a line from intolerant ideology to violent action.

the same problem persists

Most WASP neo-nazi skinheads have recourse to numerous means of violence aside from murder. (In most WASP places verbal assault is legally classified as an act of violence)

If it serves no good purpose - why keep it?

Does this make sense?

Your conclusion does but the premises that support it don't.

IOW the only way you establish that it isn't serving no good purpose is by calling upon some actions that are questionably normative (just as it is questionable to establish self immolation as normative of Buddhism)

 

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BTW Mike, the ethnic issues the west has with the middle east share a similar tangent with the ethnic issues japan has with china and korea.

 

[Michael]

Are you positive I said it's normative? I don't think I said so?

I don't think it's normative for WASP supremacists to act violently? Actually, it's not. They just want a pure white race - which they think is superior to all other races. Some probably think the Whites should rule over the other races. The desire to create a pure racial omelet leads may led a small percentage of WASP supremacists to break some eggs.

Agreed?

What are your ideas of this notion of a pure race ruling over the lesser races? Peacefully of course. The lessor races will probably need to be taxed. For their own good of course.

Do you think maybe there's something wrong with this line of thinking?

 

[Michael]

BTW Mike, the ethnic issues the west has with the middle east share a similar tangent with the ethnic issues japan has with china and korea.

Europe anyone?

 

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Europe anyone?

Before or after the political rhetoric of Saint Augustine through to Thomas Aquinas and their peers?

Are you positive I said it's normative? I don't think I said so?

feel free to explain why you bothered to use the example of muslims slitting someone's throat as sufficient to determine the mettle of all muslims.

I don't think it's normative for WASP supremacists to act violently? Actually, it's not. They just want a pure white race - which they think is superior to all other races. Some probably think the Whites should rule over the other races. The desire to create a pure racial omelet leads may led a small percentage of WASP supremacists to break some eggs.

Agreed?

duh

so ideologies lend themselves to certain (normative) behaviors when the question of application arises.

What are your ideas of this notion of a pure race ruling over the lesser races? Peacefully of course. The lessor races will probably need to be taxed. For their own good of course.

Depends on what grounds one is determined lesser and the other greater

Do you think maybe there's something wrong with this line of thinking?

Only in as far as the mode of questioning is ill-defined.

 

[Michael]

feel free to explain why you bothered to use the example of muslims slitting someone's throat as sufficient to determine the mettle of all muslims.

again, I did not say all Muslims. I actually was referring to "Islam" itself - if you take a look..

Again, I am sure there are a lot of nice WASP white supremacists out there who just happen to think the white race is the superior race while all the other races are inferior and should be subjugated (for their own good) or at least expelled from the "Lands of the Whites". WASP ideology is generally peaceful. You know, they just want to protect their pure and "Perfect" White Race from races that are inherently inferior - in one way or another. Now, some WASPs probably teach their WASP children that it's OK to kill in self defense - you know, protecting ones self .... and one's race.

Guess what LG, when one of the more violent of these WASPs stabs a pregnant Portuguese (in self defense of course, she was carrying a half-cast)... well, don't you think maybe it's time we take a look at the intolerant ideology of white supremacy?!?!?

If it happens all over the world in many different cultures of White people and can be traced back to an intolerance of other races - don't you think we should work to eradicate this intolerant good-for-nothing meme?


LG, let me ask you your opinion on these two questions: And don't go off on some normative essay on the virtues of Thomas Aquinas. Just a straight answer.

(1) Why, do you suppose, the WASP skin-heads slit open the belly of a pregnant Portuguese woman they had never met before?

(2) Why, do you suppose, the Muslim men squirt acid into the face of Thai children playing at a water festival that they had never met before?


In your answer include whether or not you think there are ANY ideas present in White Supremacy and/or Islam that may have been positive forces in the eventuality of their violent actions. And how these ideas may have led to the violence perpetrated.

Michael

 

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again, I did not say all Muslims. I actually was referring to "Islam" itself - if you take a look..

Then you must certainly be splitting ecclesiastical hairs to draw a grand distinction between islam and muslims.
:shrug:

Again, I am sure there are a lot of nice WASP white supremacists out there who just happen to think the white race is the superior race while all the other races are inferior and should be subjugated (for their own good) or at least expelled from the "Lands of the Whites". WASP ideology is generally peaceful. You know, they just want to protect their pure and "Perfect" White Race from races that are inherently inferior - in one way or another. Now, some WASPs probably teach their WASP children that it's OK to kill in self defense - you know, protecting ones self .... and one's race.

once again ....

duh

so ideologies lend themselves to certain (normative) behaviors when the question of application arises.

Guess what LG, when one of the more violent of these WASPs stabs a pregnant Portuguese (in self defense of course, she was carrying a half-cast)... well, don't you think maybe it's time we take a look at the intolerant ideology of white supremacy?!?!?

sure

then you could begin by determining what is essential and what is a detail (or even perhaps, a misconstrued presentation) of the ideology.

If it happens all over the world in many different cultures of White people and can be traced back to an intolerance of other races - don't you think we should work to eradicate this intolerant good-for-nothing meme?

It might pay to examine more closely whether it is "good for nothing" ... lest you become guilty of simply giving air to your opwn dormant seeds of cultural/ideological supremacy ... and I guess such an investigation would begin by determining the acts that one holds as being normative (in this case whether a person slitting someone's throat is indicative of muslim - I mean - islamic ideology)

LG, let me ask you your opinion on these two questions: And don't go off on some normative essay on the virtues of Thomas Aquinas. Just a straight answer.

(1) Why, do you suppose, the WASP skin-heads slit open the belly of a pregnant Portuguese woman they had never met before?

(2) Why, do you suppose, the Muslim men squirt acid into the face of Thai children playing at a water festival that they had never met before?


In your answer include whether or not you think there are ANY ideas present in White Supremacy and/or Islam that may have been positive forces in the eventuality of their violent actions. And how these ideas may have led to the violence perpetrated.

Michael

and why do you suggest their is some correlation between the ideologies?

why not add

3) Why, do you suppose, a primary school teacher molests a child they have never met before?

Once again, if its not clear what in the world you are using to declare something as normative or typical of a particular class, colour or creed, you can sink any community under the sun, since all of them are comprised of atypical elements too.

:shrug:

 

[Michael]

3) Why, do you suppose, a primary school teacher molests a child they have never met before?

Once again, if its not clear what in the world you are using to declare something as normative or typical of a particular class, colour or creed, you can sink any community under the sun, since all of them are comprised of atypical elements too.

:shrug:

Well, lets say we knew the school teacher herself was molested?

Lets say the school teacher had been raised to think molestation was appropriate behavior.


It's not always difficult to figure it out.

 

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Well, lets say we knew the school teacher herself was molested?

Lets say the school teacher had been raised to think molestation was appropriate behavior.


It's not always difficult to figure it out.

and what?

Do we go as far as to say that this is typical of all teachers?

If not, why?

 

[Michael]

and what?

Do we go as far as to say that this is typical of all teachers?

If not, why?

You seem to be stuck here. I am not attacking Muslims. If anything I feel sorry for these poor brainwashed people. It's about attacking specific intolerant memes inherent in Islam.

Do all skin-heads attack people? No, they don't. But those that do are often encouraged (in some way) to do so by their WASP white supremacy ideology. You do agree we can attack racism without suggesting violent behavior is typical of all bigots? Defending one's race lends itself well towards justifying the murder of a pregnant Portuguese woman. These skin heads can not be written off as "crazy cannibals" they were sane people (as I am sure the courts will show) infected with the skin-head race-meme.

Certain ideologies/meme lend themselves towards inducing violent behaviors in certain demographics. I don't see what good these meme's provide multicultural societies and so they should be countered.

 

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You seem to be stuck here. I am not attacking Muslims. If anything I feel sorry for these poor brainwashed people. It's about attacking specific intolerant memes inherent in Islam.

errr .... Labeling a community "brainwashed" is far from neutral terminology

Do all skin-heads attack people? No, they don't. But those that do are often encouraged (in some way) to do so by their WASP white supremacy ideology. You do agree we can attack racism without suggesting violent behavior is typical of all bigots? Defending one's race lends itself well towards justifying the murder of a pregnant Portuguese woman. These skin heads can not be written off as "crazy cannibals" they were sane people (as I am sure the courts will show) infected with the skin-head race-meme.

You fail to recognize that what you have done so wonderfully is fail to draw a correlation between the two analogies. You might as well be talking about the issues facing primary school teachers, since we all know that they are potential sodomizers of children.

Certain ideologies/meme lend themselves towards inducing violent behaviors in certain demographics.

or conversely, certain personality types lend themselves to violent expression, regardless of the ideological framework they appear in

or even conversely again, certain socio-economic environments lend themselves to violent expression, regardless of the the ideological framework they appear in.

I don't see what good these meme's provide multicultural societies and so they should be countered.

I don't see what good your disregard for multiculturalism provides for society