Agnostics are the only ones who aren't fools

Randwolf said:
Yes, actually. Me for one. As I described. I do not believe nor disbelieve, both are logically impossible. (For me)

Since "I do not believe nor disbelieve" that makes me an agnostic, but agnosticism is a subset of atheism. It's just a matter of definitions here.

The substantive belief (or lack thereof) doesn't change, no matter what label you assign.
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You sound more like an ignostic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism
 
Weak atheism is an anomaly. How do you disbelieve in a concept that you do not acknowledge?
 
S.A.M. said:
Not to anyone who does not know but believes there is something there that he should be looking for. Its the basis of all discovery and invention in the world, at any rate.
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No, Sam, it's a very weak argument, as is yours.
 
Randwolf said:
Fine.

From your wikipedia article:
"Some philosophers have seen ignosticism as a variation of agnosticism or atheism."

You really like the whole "pigeon-holing" approach. How far would you like to break this down?

Do you understand the concept of subsets?
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Like the evilbible.com article says, I do not like redundant redefinitions which reduce clarity of meaning.

According to me, a theist is someone who believes in at least one God, an atheist is someone who rejects any notion of a theistic God, an agnostic is one who has no opinion on whether or not there is a God.

All further subsets [weak atheism, ignosticism etc] are redundancies. I do not believe one can reject a concept one does not acknowledge. If I were to ask you about the concept of jihad and whether you believed in it, what would be your response? For example.
 
S.A.M. said:
Like the evilbible.com article says, I do not like redundant redefinitions which reduce clarity of meaning.
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I agree.


S.A.M. said:
According to me, a theist is someone who believes in at least one God, an atheist is someone who rejects any notion of a theistic God, an agnostic is one who has no opinion on whether or not there is a God.
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According to you.


S.A.M. said:
All further subsets [weak atheism, ignosticism etc] are redundancies.
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My point, indeed. Why then were you so quick to dig up and apply "ignosticism" From Wikipedia?

It seems like you are contradicting yourself.


Oh, and are you asking me about jihad? If so, in what sense are we using the word "believe"? Do I believe that others believe that the concept of jihad exists and is worthy? Of course...
 
Randwolf said:
I agree.



According to you.



My point, indeed. Why then were you so quick to dig up and apply "ignosticism" From Wikipedia?

It seems like you are contradicting yourself.
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No, I'm addressing yours

Oh, and are you asking me about jihad? If so, in what sense are we using the word "believe"?
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Its a concept and you claim it is possible to have a stance on a concept you do not acknowledge. Prove your stance. Do you believe in jihad?
 
SAM do you acknowledge the concept of perpetual motion machines ?
If so, do you believe in their existence ?
 
S.A.M. said:
Its a concept [jihad] and you claim it is possible to have a stance on a concept you do not acknowledge. Prove your stance. Do you believe in jihad?
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I asked you to clarify the context of the word "believe". If by "believe in" you are saying advocate, the answer is no, obviously.

If you are asking if I believe the concept exists, yes.

ji·had /dʒɪˈhɑd/
–noun
1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.
2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.

Definition #2 seems self evident.

Definition #1 certainly exists and is a valid concept for at least some Muslims.


Do you have to "believe" in ghosts to understand the concept?
 
Randwolf said:
I asked you to clarify the context of the word "believe". If by "believe in" you are saying advocate, the answer is no, obviously.
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But you are the one claiming that one need not acknowledge or "know" a concept before denying it. Go ahead. Do you believe in jihad?

Enmos said:
SAM do you acknowledge the concept of perpetual motion machines ?
If so, do you believe in their existence ?
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Do you believe in the existence of *&%$@?
 
Hmm since to sneakily deleted 'marasim' I looked up what it meant.
Apparently it means 'relations'.. :confused:
 
As soon as I figure out how one denies a concept that is declared as neither believe in and not believe in.

Enmos said:
Hmm since to sneakily deleted 'marasim' I looked up what it meant.
Apparently it means 'relations'.. :confused:
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Yeah, I did not want to give you one that you could find the meaning of. Since that would make it a known concept. :p
 
S.A.M. said:
As soon as I figure out how one denies a concept that is declared as neither believe in and not believe in.
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What are you on about ? I do not believe in God.
I acknowledge the concept of God, but I do not believe in his existence.

Answer the questions in post 150.

"SAM do you acknowledge the concept of perpetual motion machines ?
If so, do you believe in their existence ?"
 
Enmos said:
What are you on about ? I do not believe in God.

Answer the questions in post 150.

"SAM do you acknowledge the concept of perpetual motion machines ?
If so, do you believe in their existence ?"
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I have no concept of it and no knowledge of it. How can I believe or not believe in something I don't know? I have no opinion either way.:shrug:
 
S.A.M. said:
I have no concept of it and no knowledge of it. How can I believe or not believe in something I don't know? I have no opinion either way.:shrug:
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Then you are agnostic to perpetual motion machines. (<-- see ? agnostic..)
However you are lying. You know perfectly well what perpetual motion machines are.
 
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