What you agree with, or disagree with, is your business. But it does make you look decidedly ignorant and foolish, as demonstrated by your mythical beliefs..
Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss
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Xelasnave.1947
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I think you did an excellent job here Jan that's why I gave you a like.
As to the last point...that's the idea...it seems reasonable but what evidence do you have to support the notion that a gradual chance can result in another species...it had better be good to convince me.
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Xelasnave.1947
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Well I am not sure now Jan...you have caused me to wonder...can you present a case in support of the last point ..if any one can I feel it can only be you.
Well I travelled up today to my van..you don't have to be rich to have all this..in fact you need to be poor..that was a JC teaching and even if of Roman origin I think the idea is valid..the message I take is to be content and appreciate the heavens..but in fact what I have grass is so high I near could not find the track...I left the van in early January and there was not one blade of grass anywhere...now I can't do any astronomy because there is grass all over up to four feet high...I am paying two ladies to cut it in the morning...and a tree has fallen on the jetty in the dam and maybe crushed my fire pump...but the sky is very clear .if I was not so tired after the long drive I would take some photos but I am beat.
Again I compliment you on your post and must say I feel somewhat priveledged that you are dealing with me in a decent manner. Sincerely Jan I am very happy due to your post. It tells me we can be rational with each other..I can now respect you on a higher level than your demonstrated ability to be tricky..mind you I do like your trickyness.
I must say looking up tonight at the clear sky I can see how the ancients thought to build Gods with what is above us in mind.
So it is easy to see how their invented Gods were tied to the stars.
But in the short time I was able to look up tonight I realised the universe can only be eternal I feel that in my heart ..is it wrong to just go with some sort of gut feeling?
Alex
What has caused you to wonder?
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Xelasnave.1947
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Mmmm an easily constructed sound track somewhat enjoyable but the art work could have been taken further..lucky that it wasn't as I would have switched off ... just that slight hint at erotica was as much as I care to indulge.
The curious observation I make is ...the mere presentation of a question, sufficient to define some small aspects of the material that need be understood prior to any question being considered, will produce a response from a new expert upon the material armed only with detail gleened from the question.
I know I do it often.
Ask me about something I have not studied...you will get a learned reply..that's what humans do.
Try it ask anyone a question you will get an answer that does not include. "well I just don't know".
And I can only hope that my posts have helped present a case for what you were probably thinking.
You are at your finest when you engage the trivial as I think the casual exercise enables most beautiful expression, for its own sake, perhaps inadequately recognised when in a serious endeavour as opponents are more interested to find a weak spot in your argument...the beauty is somewhat lost.
But I notice..
Great thread ..perhaps a little all over the place.. but ...what did you say about pop and all that?
Alex
Xelasnave.1947
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I thought you may say that.
Alex
Re-read.
Our current discussion is right on topic (for a change
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Do think it’s reasonable, or, it makes sense?
How do you know they were invented?
Is that how and why you accept darwinism?
Xelasnave.1947
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The long drive, when all I could think about was your apparent belief that my reality does not match yours, ...and half a bottle of scotch on arrival...but mostly I look at the cat and think only a God could produce such beauty ...I am starting to think the cat is God ..perfection except for his toilet management ...you know ..I mean we use toilet paper when it's available...
Jan I wonder about everything that has some link to reality that is reasonably established...that is a benefit of my position...however with out a God I find I have powers that I can not rationalise...so rather than use them I simply say I am deluded... And use them only when needed....to help people and animals.
To be kind, helpful, supportive and to win fist fights or pool comps...why say it's a god when clearly it is all due to me. ...
Anyways please convince me your claim about species change has evidence that is reasonable.
Alex
We may get to that, after you responded to my points, and sobered up.
Xelasnave.1947
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I know it in my heart and you can't beat that...some things you just know.
If you really wanted an answer...the history is interesting...early humans focused firstly, it seems, on fertility and that in early times is understandable...we don't know but the female statues we find may show early humans worshipped an idol related to fertility...the idols of course may have been the first attempt at a centre fold ..who knows?
But we could understand why fertility was a thing back then...
Then we have an apparent preoccupation with animals, was this worship! We don't know but if we are to extend religion to early times we need to say yes it was. .again it may reflect an early firm if photography..the capture of images for no other reason than to accumulate pretty photos...what I do .. just think in a million years someone finds my astronomy photos ...what will they say..pretty photos or this guy was preoccupied with the Gids in the Southern hemisphere.... You will be in the future so please look for any response to my photos ...and if you can communicate from heaven, your next address I presume ...please tell them that I was just a mug.
But then on more recent discoveries we find the Sumarians told of Gods as were incorporated later in your good book...the question certainly must be...did their Gods exist or were they able to grow more than millet and spelt... like mushrooms that bent your head ...were they smoking the stuff they made their underpants out of..or the ropes that bound their slaves.
Then Egypt...the first human God they present..with twelve followers, death and resurrection after three days...etc etc etc...for this story you can use a tidy supply of etc....
But of interest the great pyramid is the only place where the astrology was somewhat valid ..it seems the only place where the Sun would appear on the cross (the Southern Cross) ....I won't go on I find folk don't take well to the truth revealed from looking at the history...no one wants to be told the circle on their sacred cross is the circle of the twelve constellations if the zodiac. No one wants to be told their God is an invention based in astrology...best not to say anything ..best to argue about what God would do in this situation or that as that avoids consideration of the real history that clearly shows all Gods are the invention of humans...but the politics need the history ignored as usual...but to answer your question..I just know in my heart the gods were invented by humans...you gotta go with the feeling in the heart Jan given the history supports that feeling 100%
You would now be so far ahead if you looked at those videos I posted re the astrology and the Romans involvement.
Alex
Xelasnave.1947
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If you are sitting in the dark with a couple of goats that are your only friends all sorts of things may seem reasonable but probably that goat is not actually agreeing to marry you.. it is difficult to think about..I know stuff so the heavens make some sort of sense to me...plus after my last date no more talk of marriage...reproduction??? Why do we have test tubes ..it is rather clear...so much is a delusion Jan ..that's why science is reliable...it tells you that the thing with the goat can never work out.
Makes sense????
What makes sense to you may not make sense to me...all we can do is look at the evidence and slowly construct a reality free of superstition or ancient ignorance and not get carried away that we know it all...few humans other than me know the universe is eternal and there can be no point of creation but it is not up to me to ram truth down their throats like some, not yours, religions will do.
Alex
Lol. That has to be one of the dumbest things you've accused me of so far. Obviously, you haven't noticed that it is the theists themselves who either define or redefine not only religion but pretty much any other concepts that suit their narratives. Try and pay attention.
Like there is a God?
Scripture is history also. But think it was all made up.
So how do you discriminate between truth and false? Do you choose what feels right to you? Or do you have other methods.
I’m interested in why you only choose a certain part of history, and why you have to draw those conclusions. It may have had nothing to do with fertility.
Why only back then?
Fertility is still a thing. The abortion rate, and the rise of teenage unwanted pregnancy bears testament to that.
In some cultures some animals are sort of venerated, because aspects, or features of their nature. We do that today also. The bald eagle is the national bird of the US, as an example.
People love dogs, in large sense because of their loyalty, and some case their obedience, and in some cases for their intelligence. The cow is revered as “mother” in India. Because she gives an abundance of milk that makes all kind of nice food, amongst other reasons.
You’re a nutter.
Okay.
You had a good run.
Are you good at stoking fires?
I don’t know.
Legend has it, they liked it here, and started going in on the women.
You’d think they’d be satisfied with heavenly denizens. But no! They had to come and take ours.
You’ve been listening to too much new age stuff. I believe you’re the talking about Horus—->Jesus connection. That’s false mate. You should look it up.
You’re wasting your time with this nonsense.
It’s all just to make theism, and God based religion look made up, by plagiarising different cultures myths.
You need to move on, or I’ll be forced to think you want it to be true do much, your not interested in any proper accounts.
I understand your point.
But you are an atheist.
That only shows why you don’t believe in God. That’s all.
I hear you man.
Thank you for being honest.
Ultimately, that’s where it’s at.
To accept something properly, you have to feel it. You have to make a connection.
From a scriptural point of view, you are correct.
It describes more of a Big Crunch type of thing, where the universes, perpetually come into and out of being in cycles. So in one sense it is eternal, and in another sense it comes into, and out of being.
We have no evidence for such an entity. [But you have already been told that]
You accept what the evidence points to...eg: Darwinism and the theory of evolution.
You miss the point....again! That being the ignorance of the ancients had them venerating/adoring/worshiping, all manners of nature and the universe around them, particularly the aspects that they could not explain, and before the advent of science and the scientific methodology.
god, religion, ID and all such manner of supernatural/paranormal nonsense, is made up.
If that means I'm not some gullible impressionable fool, that fanatically needs to abolish the fact that once dead, you're dead, with some mythical afterlife to facilitate a nice, warm, inner glow, then, OK, I'll accept that label.
Or the Ester Bunny, or Santa Clause, or Goldilocks, or Unicorns.
Xelasnave.1947
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Yes exactly. I had no idea you would say that
Although in my case I think we could back up my belief with solid evidence.
Alex
I doubt that.
You appear to reject evidence.
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