Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[Jan Ardena]

To what evidence do you refer? Page 1 of the good book is not a scientific model.

You’d have to ask these guys...

The Borde–Guth–Vilenkin theorem, or the BGV theorem, is a theorem in physical cosmology which deduces that any universe that has, on average, been expanding throughout its history cannot be infinite in the past but must have a past spacetime boundary.

These guys are real scientists.

 

[(Q)]

Who has invented or imagined, a powerful deity that brought it into existence?
The only thing that has been invented is some idea that everything magically evolved from goo.

So, you accept the word of ancient, ignorant goat herders but reject the theories of science. Gotcha.

 

[Jan Ardena]

So, you accept the word of ancient, ignorant goat herders but reject the theories of science. Gotcha.

You didn't answer the question.

'Who has invented or imagined, a powerful deity that brought it into existence?"

 

[(Q)]

You didn't answer the question.

'Who has invented or imagined, a powerful deity that brought it into existence?"

Had you ever bothered to look up the history of religions, you would find it dates as far back as when shamans in caves created rituals for their tribes before a hunt. From there, the concept of gods evolved along with humans through a series ideas from polytheism to monotheism leading up to your God. It's a fairy tale in the making, crafted over centuries by hundreds of civilizations.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Had you ever bothered to look up the history of religions, you would find it dates as far back as when shamans in caves created rituals for their tribes before a hunt. From there, the concept of gods evolved along with humans through a series ideas from polytheism to monotheism leading up to your God. It's a fairy tale in the making, crafted over centuries by hundreds of civilizations.

Firstly, we’re not discussing “religions”?
But even if we were, you’d still be required give real evidence that it was not as it is today. Natural. Already within us. You’d need to show that it was invented, or evolved.
So far you’ve only speculated as to how it could have arisen, according to your belief.
So far you haven’t come up with any evidence that God is imagined, or invented.

 

[(Q)]

Firstly, we’re not discussing “religions”?
But even if we were, you’d still be required give real evidence that it was not as it is today. Natural. Already within us. You’d need to show that it was invented, or evolved.
So far you’ve only speculated as to how it could have arisen, according to your belief.
So far you haven’t come up with any evidence that God is imagined, or invented.

Lol! That's startlingly astonishing considering no one has ever come up with evidence that God isn't imagined or invented. If it wasn't invented or had evolved such as the evidence suggests, then why hasn't the entire world accepted your specific God centuries ago when the idea emerged? Why did no many other gods proclaimed to exist long before yours emerged onto the scene? And, if it was within us, we'd all know it.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Lol! That's startlingly astonishing considering no one has ever come up with evidence that God isn't imagined or invented.

You’re right! That is funny.
There is no evidence that God was invented, or the product of imagination. That’s the point.

If it wasn't invented or had evolved such as the evidence suggests

There is no evidence.
Only speculation on the part of atheists.
But that’s predictable.
If there is evidence (not speculation), present it.

why hasn't the entire world accepted your specific God centuries ago when the idea emerged?

I don’t have a specific God.
There is only one God.
If you were honest enough to define “God” as He is defined, you’d know that.
But you can’t bring yourself to even do that, such is the strength of your denial.

Why did no many other gods proclaimed to exist long before yours emerged onto the scene?

I’ve no idea what you’re talking about, and if you’re being honest, neither do you.

And, if it was within us, we'd all know it.

You do know. Why else do you defend your position with such obvious nonsense.

 

[Michael 345]

Lol! That's startlingly astonishing considering no one has ever come up with evidence that God isn't imagined or invented. If it wasn't invented or had evolved such as the evidence suggests, then why hasn't the entire world accepted your specific God centuries ago when the idea emerged? Why did no many other gods proclaimed to exist long before yours emerged onto the scene? And, if it was within us, we'd all know it.

You know you are preaching to the unconvertible right?

 

[paddoboy]

Firstly, we’re not discussing “religions”?

Don't be such a silly billy Jan. If discussion is concerning some type of magical spaghetti monster that brought everything into existence, it is by definition religion.
religion
/rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
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noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
2. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Let's now look into some of your other obtuse, ignorant hypocritical statements.......

   Who has invented or imagined, a powerful deity that brought it into existence?"

   Obviously to any sane thinking person this is simply putting the cart before the horse. You see Jan, the onus is on you to show your mythical ID beliefs have substance. All us evil Atheists/Agnostics are doing, is saying we have no evidence for any such superhuman entity. But I believe you already know that, and this is just you in your obtuse way, in defending the indefensible. Let's now look at your next faux pas

   You’d need to show that it was invented, or evolved.

   Ancient man, before science came along, needed to "explain"the wonderrs around him...the Universe, stars etc...He invented all kinds of magical spaghetti monsters, that he imagined in the Sun, the Moon, Mountains, rivers etc etc God is simply an idea, a myth, that has grown and grown and grown over the years, and that now in the face of science and empirical evidence supporting that science, is at best superfluous and not needed.

   Why else do you defend your position with such obvious nonsense.

   Oh come now Jan, you know the old adage, telling lies makes little baby Jesus cry? It's your position that needs to be defended, and if I may say, you are not doing it any favours by your apparent dishonest attempts of putting the cart before the horse and trying to throw the onus of proof elsewhere.

 

[(Q)]

You’re right! That is funny.
There is no evidence that God was invented, or the product of imagination. That’s the point.

Just like there's no evidence for God, that's also the point.

There is no evidence.
Only speculation on the part of atheists.
But that’s predictable.
If there is evidence (not speculation), present it.

I have just as much evidence for the non-existence of God as you have for the existence of God, none. That's makes us even.

I don’t have a specific God.
There is only one God.

And, that would be your God, a very different God from many other people. You're actually in a minority.

If you were honest enough to define “God” as He is defined, you’d know that.

Lol. There goes Jan waving his holy dictionary again.

But you can’t bring yourself to even do that, such is the strength of your denial.

I am not in denial of your belief in a holy dictionary that proves your God exists.

I’ve no idea what you’re talking about

That makes it convenient for you not to answer.

You do know. Why else do you defend your position with such obvious nonsense.

Sorry Jan, but once again, you are in a minority of people who believe your God is in you.

 

[davewhite04]

Sorry Jan, but once again, you are in a minority of people who believe your God is in you.

2.1 billion Christians(obviously othe religions believe a god is in them, some people do, because he is.).
1 billion Secular (atheist, agnostics...etc.)

But Q it doesn't matter, you can't believe because you need physical evidence for the super natural. It is a sensible position considering you can't believe in God(God gene). I don't think you'll burn in hell for being you. Sound like a decent bloke. Don't tell me you're a woman?

 

[(Q)]

2.1 billion Christians(obviously othe religions believe a god is in them, some people do, because he is.).

Yes, that's a minority of people in a world of 7.7 billion. And of course, you have to break down that 2.1 billion Christians into another 45,000 denominations. Most likely, Jan has his very own personal version of Christianity.

1 billion Secular (atheist, agnostics...etc.)

Amazing how this group grows larger every day while Christians grows smaller. Soon it will be the other way round and within a few hundred years, will probably disappear altogether.

But Q it doesn't matter, you can't believe because you need physical evidence for the super natural.

And, since there is none, then any sane person would likely not accept the supernatural exists.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Just like there's no evidence for God, that's also the point.

You’re an atheist. You’re bound to say that, or something similar. So it is a pointless discussion. What’s more interesting is going deeper into this claim that God is invented, or imaginary. Where is your evidence?

I have just as much evidence for the non-existence of God as you have for the existence of God, none. That's makes us even.

Which is why the “does God exist, or not discussions are a waste of time.
We can get a lot more mileage out of claims, like the one you made.
I want to see how long it takes you to admit, your claim is part and parcel of you belief.
Your belief dictates your predictable claims.

Lol. There goes Jan waving his holy dictionary again.

Stop deflecting.
You know that “God” is the origin of everything, by definition.
It doesn’t matter if you use different words. It’s the same thing. It how theists can believe in Him, and why atheists don’t.

I am not in denial of your belief in a holy dictionary that proves your God exists.

Yet another deflection.
We’re not talking about God’s existence or non existence. You know that, but you need an excuse to get out of engaging in proper discussion. Or avoid answering questions.

That makes it convenient for you not to answer.

As usual you just spout stuff that backs your belief. You need to be more specific with your claims.

Sorry Jan, but once again, you are in a minority of people who believe your God is in you.

Knowing God is “in you” has nothing to do with knowing that there is God. We’re all given the opportunity to accept Him, or not. You choose not. That’s all.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

These guys are real scientists.

Thank you Jan.
I will look for where they can take us from nothing to something.
Alex

 

[(Q)]

You’re an atheist. You’re bound to say that, or something similar. So it is a pointless discussion.

You're a theist, you're bound to say there is evidence for God, or something similar.

What’s more interesting is going deeper into this claim that God is invented, or imaginary. Where is your evidence?

There's no evidence for God and Scriptures were written by men. There is no evidence for Orcs and LOTR was written by a man. See the similarity?

Which is why the “does God exist, or not discussions are a waste of time.

Yet, here you are proclaiming your God exists.

We can get a lot more mileage out of claims, like the one you made.
I want to see how long it takes you to admit, your claim is part and parcel of you belief.
Your belief dictates your predictable claims.

Your beliefs dictate your entire worldview.

Stop deflecting.

Says the master of deflecting.

You know that “God” is the origin of everything, by definition.

So sayeth your holy dictionary?

It doesn’t matter if you use different words. It’s the same thing. It how theists can believe in Him, and why atheists don’t.

Nope, that's not the reason atheists don't believe in gods. Try again.

Yet another deflection.

I bow to the master of deflection.

e’re not talking about God’s existence or non existence. You know that, but you need an excuse to get out of engaging in proper discussion. Or avoid answering questions.

Says the guy who avoids answering questions.

As usual you just spout stuff that backs your belief. You need to be more specific with your claims.

Says the guy who spouts stuff that never backs his beliefs.

Knowing God is “in you” has nothing to do with knowing that there is God. We’re all given the opportunity to accept Him, or not. You choose not. That’s all.

If there were a God, I would accept Him. So, show me your God and I'll be more than happy to accept Him. Should be easy for you to do that, right?

 

[paddoboy]

. I don't think you'll burn in hell for being you.

If there was/is a hell, its obvious I would be burning in it, but I would have good company I'm sure, in Jan and his entire obtuse dishonest way he has approached and pushed this mythical being.

 

[(Q)]

I don't think you'll burn in hell for being you.

Oh Dave, so naive. I'm not sure where it is but I saw a video depicting a scenario where four people stood in front of God, three were from a variety of faiths and the fourth was an atheist. The three believers stood in great disfavor from God in that they chose to follow a man made religion and instead praised the atheist for using the brain God gave to him. Think about it.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Thank you Jan.
I will look for where they can take us from nothing to something.
Alex

Why?
They said...

“...any universe that has, on average, been expanding throughout itshistory cannot be infinite in the past but musthave a past spacetime boundary.”

You always say you follow the evidence, and the science. So are you going to change your mind?

 

[Michael 345]

If there was/is a hell, its obvious I would be burning in it, but I would have good company I'm sure, in Jan and his entire obtuse dishonest way he has approached and pushed this mythical being.

I'm sure Jan will not be in hell, apart from it being non existent

Jan does not believe he is lying so he wears the cloak of innocence

Therefore he will be invited upstairs as one of god's special people

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

So are you going to change your mind?

No. Our best theory The Big Bang Theory does not take us to nothing clearly indicating the universe is eternal. As we cannot observe past the observable universe I can only leave open the speculation over the universe being finite or infinite. Being neither an atheist or thesist I confine myself to matters where there is evidence supported by observation so as to avoid making things up which is delusional behaviour in my view.
Well the car transporter has left with one bush bashers, I left the other one here for now...but this means I can leave the city...happy days.
All the best Jan keep up the good work demonstrating how evidence is key in any discussion.
Alex