leopold said:
Not me, the world. Science has shown the world that gods are mythical inventions. The proof is everywhere. Here are just a few artifacts. If you need more, just specify what you're looking for:
The stele of Hammurabi, the artifacts from Ugarit, all of the Egyptian religious artifacts and inscriptions, the Rig Veda, the tens of thousands of tablets from Mesopotamia, plus the countless other evidence from the several thousand cites linked to by the wiki article on mythology.
i mean no disrespect but i don't care WHAT the people think.
I mean no disrespect either but you just asked me to state the evidence, and I did and you responded as if you were talking to someone else.
i want to know what science has to say about the concept, outside a philosophical stance.
There is no philosophy here Leo. This is hard cold scientific data.
For example:
science has yet to prove an intelligence without substance. is there such a thing?
Science has proven that none of the known gods actually exist.
Then you would be objecting to a huge area of academic research which makes such statements.
yeah, well i've yet to hear a scientist making any such claims about the unknown.
The claim is that none of the known gods exist, not that any unknown gods don't exist.
what kind of scientist would do that? tell me.
Sure I'll tell you again leo.
Discoverer: George Smith
Publication:
The Chaldean Account of Genesis
Date: 1876
Site: Library of Ashurbanipal
Artifact:The Seven Tablets of Creation
Collection: The British Museum
Text:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
Well you can deny the evidence I'm propounding here, I suppose, if that's what you mean--but you can't truthfully say that I have no clues or have propounded none.
where is this evidence that says there is no god?
Above is the evidence that says there is no Tiamat.
Ok here we go again:
Text:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
Publication: The Chaldean Account of Genesis
I've delivered trainloads of clues in just one link. I can get more if that's not enough. What specifically are you looking for?
something more than conjecture.
There is no conjecture. These are the oldest religious texts in the world.
Search on the word 'absurd' and you'll notice that you, not I, have been using that word. I'm not sure why you're suggesting I brought it up.
sorry, i was reading your mind.
You accused me of using the word 'absurd' when in fact only you used that word.
i guess i must now ask, do you find the concept of god absurd?
I find it absurd that people people deliberately treat myth as historical narrative.
You want just one? Ok, I'll just pick Tiamat since she precedes western tradition, and since she prevailed in a relatively large area over many different empires and dynasties. I'm just not sure why you're putting me through this exercise. Here goes;
Discoverer: George Smith
Publication: The Chaldean Account of Genesis
Date: 1876
Site: Library of Ashurbanipal
Artifact:The Seven Tablets of Creation
Collection: The British Museum
Text: url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
oh my, i asked for some kind of scientific evidence and i get, what, a text from "the sacred text archive"????
You don't recognize archaeology as a science? How about Darwin pouring over his specimens, sorting and classifying them? You would count that as science, right? OK here is the principal investigator whose work provided the text I gave you. Listen to him, and tell me if he's doing science:
This search was a long and heavy work, for there were thousands of fragments to go over, and, while on the one side I had gained as yet only two fragments of the Izdubar legends to judge from, on the other hand, the unsorted fragments were so small, and contained so little of the subject, that it was extremely difficult to ascertain their meaning. My search, however, proved successful. I found a fragment of another copy of the Deluge, containing again the sending forth of the birds, and gradually collected several other portions of this tablet, fitting them in one after another until I had completed the greater part of the second column. Portions of a third copy next turned up, which, when joined together, completed a considerable part of the first and sixth columns. I now had the account of the Deluge in the state in which I published it at the meeting of the Society of Biblical Archaeology, December 3rd, 1872. I had discovered that the Izdubar series contained at least twelve tablets, and I afterwards found this to be their exact number. Of this series the tablet describing the Deluge was the eleventh and K 231, the sixth. Numerous other fragments turned up at the same time; but these, while they increased my knowledge of the legends, could not be arranged in order from want of indication of the particular tablets to which they belonged.
The birds he speaks of are the birds mentioned at the end of the Flood Myth in Genesis. But this is not Genesis. It's a similar story about a man told by his god to built a boat because a flood was coming. This is only one tiny speck of the evidence. Are you beginning to catch on? This is all myth. But the method is science. Even just this one scientist spends years digging for clues, sorting them, classifying them, translating them . . . to produce this incontrovertible evidence that God does not exist. So you didn't want to read the authoritative document I posted? Since I didn't think you could read Akkadian Cuneiform I gave you English. Do you prefer clay?
Ok but you didn't say which god so I picked Tiamat. Let me know if you're looking for evidence disproving the existence of any other.
i already stated what "god is" in this context, the creator of life and the universe.
Look at the title of publication:
The Chaldean Account of Genesis. That means the creation of the universe, right?
Science has well proven that all of the gods were created in myth, legend and fable.
science has done no such thing and you know it aqueous
I just stated the proof. Again. Speak to the evidence leo. Does this prove that Tiamat does not exist?