Faulty generalizations once again. Religious people's ancestors also include individuals like Descartes, Isaac Newton, Leibniz and Lord Kelvin. Even regarding Darwin, just historically, many religious people welcomed his theories and most were unmoved one way or another. (There's a large literature on the reception of Darwin's theories in the 19th century.)
I think you missed the part where we were directing this to the religious right wing who involve themselves in matters of public policy. That doesn't touch on the role models you mentioned and negates the assumption that I was generalizing at all.
And off we go on another of Sciforums' idiot left-political rants in which perceived political enemies become little more than caricatures, card-board targets to be filled full of righteous bullets.
This was in reference to the religious right's endorsement of Bush which will go down in history as the administration most associated with idiocy ever. I missed where that rubbed off on me. :bugeye:
Like Tiassa, maybe you need to look in the mirror. You're another one who seems to be a mirror image of the haters that you hate so passionately.
It's not about me. It's about the bad guys, the ones who are doing actual harm. Just because I speak against them doesn't make me one of them. That would seem to imply we just let atrocity go unchecked. If anything, all people of good conscience need to keep harping on them. Out with the bums. In with the good guys.
If you intend to argue instead of simply "venting", then argue well.
Now take that mirror back and see how you measure up. I gave a pretty good list of actual dastardly deeds. That sets the proposition that bad religious people have infiltrated the government and the infrastructure that keeps installing more bums. If you want to analyze my actual arguments, instead of dismissing it as venting, I would think you would list the items I enumerated and rebut them. Hence the mirror: where is your argument to what I already argued?
Don't just preach to the militant atheist fringe that already agrees with all of your opinions.
Speaking of argument, that's not a rebuttal of what I said. I enumerated a handful of heinous acts done in the name of God which can properly be called "militant", and then showed that--short of heinous acts perpetrated against religious people by atheists--these atheist posts are all merely mild speech. If your intent is to defeat the proposition that "militant atheism" is hyperbole which minimizes "militant religiosity" then you should rebut it with actual argument, rather than leaving it to stand pat with nothing more than a characterization that it's venting, preaching, and failing to state an argument. That seems like trying to call a foul on a goal scored fair and square just for the sake of trying to detract from it.
Don't reduce everything and everyone to good-guys and bad-guys, to caricatures and stereotypes.
Since I was only speaking of the bad guys, none of that applies to what I said.
(Life is a bit more complicated than a video-game.)
I wouldn't know since I don't fool with them.
Learn something about religion. Try to better understand its scope and what it actually encompasses. Learn about its history and about the complexity of its interactions with the larger culture surrounding it, including science. There's a vast and fascinating literature on that.
I'm surprised you think I'm too weak in those subjects to reach the very shallow level of treatment given them in these threads. In any case the question was whether atheists, who denounce the intrusions of the religious right into public policy, should properly be labeled "militant", while the militancy Sorcerer alluded to is the demon-child of pathological religiosity. That is, when we denounce pathological religious militancy, we are standing on high ground (since they are indefensible acts) and therefore immune from having the same label applied to us, given that we are only engaging in mild speech. We are not hounding them in the workplace, burning crosses in their front yards, torching their churches, assaulting them, bombing them and murdering them. That's militancy that religious people are perpetrating, not atheists. It's not clear to me how some "scope of religion" I've missed excuses any of the scope I haven't missed.
Instead of condemning religion in general, pick out particular religious beliefs and practices that you disagree with and then try to craft persuasive explanations for why you feel as you do. Don't imagine that just because the thing you don't like has something to do with "religion", that all religion and all religious people must be aware of it, agree with it and somehow be guilty of the same thing. (That's just stupid.)
It's also far stupider than I know you to be to say this to me given the spirit in which I posted my remarks. My conclusion then is that you wouldn't have said this if you'd had noticed that I was referring to the bad guys, not all religious people in general. I did already pick out which beliefs and practices I disagree with: attacking science, obstructing abortion, and homophobia. I've listed a few of the specific acts these perpetrators are guilty of. Again, this began as an statement about religious people who intrude into public policy matters.
Put some effort into focusing your arguments more precisely on targets that might arguably deserve your wrath. Don't just fire hysterically in all directions.
I fired three laser guided missiles at the guilty groups: one at the anti-science crowd, one at the anti-abortion crowd and one at the homophobic crowd. They were all direct hits, or else someone would be screaming right now that science is ruled by brainwashed robots, that atheists are murdering babies, and that same-sex partners are bringing the curse of the Devil in whichever natural calamity comes next.
I'm hoping you only overlooked the post I quoted, which precipitated my remarks:
Sorcerer said:
Actually, there is a serious issue which the atheists address, and that is to prevent religions trying to take over or at least influence public policy. Frankly I wouldn't give a damn what theists believe as long as they stay the f*** away from trying to impose their twisted and immoral values on the rest of us. Militant atheism is a a response to militant religionism, nothing more: you shut up and so will we.
As you see I went on to show that the atheist reponse is merely mild speech, whereas the actual heinous offenses by the bad guys I listed counts as true militancy.