Here is a link to it for those who want to read through it all or have it handy:
http://www.toequest.com/forum/anecdotal-stories/6210-something-forever.html
All are welcome here, but it is a Science thread and so there is a need for a higher standard of presentation—of science, math, and logic. Statements should have something behind them so that they don’t just take up space as outright proclamations, declarations, etc. that go nowhere and do nothing.
It turns out that all things have beginnings, and even William Lane Craig got this far, but, unfortunately, for him, this includes beings and Beings, and so there is no past-eternal for them.
Likewise, the universe had a beginning, in form, and that which is the basis of the universe had a beginning, and it still is the universe, one and the same with it, for not anything else could have entered into it. The one cause is still unfolding, for all is but one big event in operation, its essence continuing but changing form.
That the universe is expanding shows that it cannot be infinite in extent, nor can anything, and the universe is of finite duration into the past, coming from a state which could not itself be eternal, or else it would have stayed as it was, as will be shown, in a potential eternal way. That actual infinities and eternities cannot be is a part of the default state—of there being no choice for existence in the form of the universe. What is causeless, whether as Something Forever or a capability of Nothing to be Something, can have no outside directives coming in, so, what it can do, and obviously did do, is only of a default condition.
The arrival of the universe was an interruption in something or nothing, whether by a Big Bang or not, and whether of a singularity or of something as large as the universe. Size without anything to compare it to might not mean anything on an empty scale or one without ends.
Yes, the above has logic in it and so do more of the intro parts, but we know that the science is coming, and it is a fine thing to have agreement between the two, as well as with the attending math, making for triple closure.
http://www.toequest.com/forum/anecdotal-stories/6210-something-forever.html
All are welcome here, but it is a Science thread and so there is a need for a higher standard of presentation—of science, math, and logic. Statements should have something behind them so that they don’t just take up space as outright proclamations, declarations, etc. that go nowhere and do nothing.
It turns out that all things have beginnings, and even William Lane Craig got this far, but, unfortunately, for him, this includes beings and Beings, and so there is no past-eternal for them.
Likewise, the universe had a beginning, in form, and that which is the basis of the universe had a beginning, and it still is the universe, one and the same with it, for not anything else could have entered into it. The one cause is still unfolding, for all is but one big event in operation, its essence continuing but changing form.
That the universe is expanding shows that it cannot be infinite in extent, nor can anything, and the universe is of finite duration into the past, coming from a state which could not itself be eternal, or else it would have stayed as it was, as will be shown, in a potential eternal way. That actual infinities and eternities cannot be is a part of the default state—of there being no choice for existence in the form of the universe. What is causeless, whether as Something Forever or a capability of Nothing to be Something, can have no outside directives coming in, so, what it can do, and obviously did do, is only of a default condition.
The arrival of the universe was an interruption in something or nothing, whether by a Big Bang or not, and whether of a singularity or of something as large as the universe. Size without anything to compare it to might not mean anything on an empty scale or one without ends.
Yes, the above has logic in it and so do more of the intro parts, but we know that the science is coming, and it is a fine thing to have agreement between the two, as well as with the attending math, making for triple closure.