9/11 was an inside job

[psikeyhackr]

The collapse was modeled using the simulation system called the Fire Dynamics Simulator.

But no link to support your claim.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200612/NIST-WTC-Investigation.pdf

How do you model a collapse of a 110 story building without mass distribution data but what does that have to do with fire on only 5 stories?

psik

 

[sunshaker]

I spent a lot of time looking into this, from who profits to who loses out, Why they already wanted to demolish towers but the cost was to high, To rumsfeld 0n sept 10th admitting that the pentagon had lost 2.3 trillion dollars to only be forgot about on sept11 perfect timing,

But what got me most was when i was looking into certain companies, i applied for some information , I had to supply my post code which i did but they still wanted my house number so i gave next doors,
15 minutes later i see blue lights outside my house i look and the police where going to my next door neighbours house who's number i gave, then they came to mine, They came in and said they had a tip i was going to commit suicide that night, they stood there smiling staring at my pc then left, I tried finding more information the next day and was passed to the chief constable who said the tip off was from kent which is the other side of the country and also where one of the company directors lived that i was looking into.
I have no doubts it was an "inside job". The pieces are out there not just you tube vids.

It is those that control the governments, A few thousand lives mean nothing to them, They play a bigger game. They know they can fool enough of the population as we see here. It is good to "question" to say we are not all "sheeple".

We should never "forget" whether you believe it was an inside job or not. Because we all lost part of our "freedom" on that day.

 

[andy1033]

We should never "forget" whether you believe it was an inside job or not. Because we all lost part of our "freedom" on that day.

Yep you sure did, i believe that america went into martial law that day, and will never leave it.

Americans were more free until end of cold war then the shutters came down on whole of nato. You are less free then you know. Of course americans buying xbox ones show that americans do not understand there choice.

 

[roscoe]

Just joined the forum. Looks pretty good so far.

Can I just post a preliminary on this that ever since the day I instinctively knew something as crooked as a bulldog's hind leg was going on with the official story being fed to us.

Because I had a difficult examination the following day I was spared the psychological hypnotic onslaught that the entire world was subjected to. Everyone was saying to me - Put the TV on Put the TV on I said I can't I've got to get myself through tomorrow's examination.

As a result of this I was able to view the whole thing critically. It wasn't until January 2002 that I began to join the truth movement.

One of my greatest achievements so far is being banned from the JREF forum FOUR TIMES (had to disguise my persona). They simply couldn't live with my arguments. They were unbelievably vicious to me ad-hominum attacks came in right left and centre and I kept a calm demeanor.

You know you're over the target when you start getting the flak.

Looking at the arguments on this thread I'd say they are generally a good discussion.

But let me just say that after 14 years I have eventually realised that everyone is arguing the wrong things.

Building collapse? Forget it.

By concentrating on this you are avoiding the most relevant question.

WHO DID IT????????

It really doesn't matter how the building collapsed, you could even concede that the planes brought the building down it doesn't change the most relevant question.

By the way I BELIEVE the buildings collapsed through controlled demolition. But it's a BELIEF, I don't do BELIEF.

I'll be on here to show you WHO DID IT.

Can't at the moment because I'm new here and I can't post links or pictures.

But

WATCH THIS SPACE..

 

[Read-Only]

Just joined the forum. Looks pretty good so far.

Can I just post a preliminary on this that ever since the day I instinctively knew something as crooked as a bulldog's hind leg was going on with the official story being fed to us.

Because I had a difficult examination the following day I was spared the psychological hypnotic onslaught that the entire world was subjected to. Everyone was saying to me - Put the TV on Put the TV on I said I can't I've got to get myself through tomorrow's examination.

As a result of this I was able to view the whole thing critically. It wasn't until January 2002 that I began to join the truth movement.

One of my greatest achievements so far is being banned from the JREF forum FOUR TIMES (had to disguise my persona). They simply couldn't live with my arguments. They were unbelievably vicious to me ad-hominum attacks came in right left and centre and I kept a calm demeanor.

You know you're over the target when you start getting the flak.

Looking at the arguments on this thread I'd say they are generally a good discussion.

But let me just say that after 14 years I have eventually realised that everyone is arguing the wrong things.

Building collapse? Forget it.

By concentrating on this you are avoiding the most relevant question.

WHO DID IT????????

It really doesn't matter how the building collapsed, you could even concede that the planes brought the building down it doesn't change the most relevant question.

By the way I BELIEVE the buildings collapsed through controlled demolition. But it's a BELIEF, I don't do BELIEF.

I'll be on here to show you WHO DID IT.

Can't at the moment because I'm new here and I can't post links or pictures.

But

WATCH THIS SPACE..

Well, lots of luck with THAT! The only people who will buy into whatever you have to say are nutters just like you. All the rest of us sane individuals know exactly who did it and will just ignore you. (shrug)

 

[roscoe]

Well, lots of luck with THAT! The only people who will buy into whatever you have to say are nutters just like you. All the rest of us sane individuals know exactly who did it and will just ignore you. (shrug)

Well you see here we go again.

Can I just point out to others that this is a ad hominem attack and that I've been told that these are looked upon as banning material.

Once I get to 15 posts I'll direct you to the NEWLY RELEASED NEADS tapes showing the movements of the so-called HIJACKED planes.

I'll also be listing several people who in law would satisfy the criteria of arrest through probable cause.

I take it you know that Osama Bin Laden was NEVER indicted by the FBI for the attacks on New York and Washington on September 11th 2001. The reason they gave was insufficient evidence.

 

[Read-Only]

Well you see here we go again.

Can I just point out to others that this is a ad hominem attack and that I've been told that these are looked upon as banning material.

Once I get to 15 posts I'll direct you to the NEWLY RELEASED NEADS tapes showing the movements of the so-called HIJACKED planes.

I'll also be listing several people who in law would satisfy the criteria of arrest through probable cause.

Nope, it's clearly NOT an attack on you - it's a DIRECT attack on what you intend to post.

I do find it interesting, though, that you've been here only a short time and have quickly earned the label of crank based on your posts in this thread and your rather childish claim about a compost pile giving you 3rd degree burns. Pity. I believe your stay here will be a short one if you continue to post nonsense. That's rather sad, actually.

 

[roscoe]

Nope, it's clearly NOT an attack on you - it's a DIRECT attack on what you intend to post.

So you're telling me that you are not open to any evidence which may violate your belief system then?

The whole thing is a religious campaign for you.

Ever heard of Cognitive Dissonance? We'll be discussing it

It works with you like this:

Should the attacks be found to have elements within the normal workings of the Government (Inside Job as the thread title says) you do not have the moral fortitude to deal with that. You compensate this by denying the evidence, as you have already admitted you wont bother yourself even looking at it in case you see something you cannot handle.

One of the symptoms of Cognitive Dissonance is instantly attacking personally anyone who is making you look at the evidence.

You have done this with your feeble attempt at intimidation on your last post.

QED.

 

[Read-Only]

So you're telling me that you are not open to any evidence which may violate your belief system then?

The whole thing is a religious campaign for you.

Ever heard of Cognitive Dissonance? We'll be discussing it

It works with you like this:

Should the attacks be found to have elements within the normal workings of the Government (Inside Job as the thread title says) you do not have the moral fortitude to deal with that. You compensate this by denying the evidence, as you have already admitted you wont bother yourself even looking at it in case you see something you cannot handle.

One of the symptoms of Cognitive Dissonance is instantly attacking personally anyone who is making you look at the evidence.

You have done this with your feeble attempt at intimidation on your last post.

QED.

I'm not attempting anything. I'm clearly stating that whatever you present, it's pure nonsense.

And at this point I'm totally through with you and your GARBAGE! So live with your childish fantasies - I want nothing to do with them or YOU!

 

[roscoe]

I'm not attempting anything. I'm clearly stating that whatever you present, it's pure nonsense.

And at this point I'm totally through with you and your GARBAGE! So live with your childish fantasies - I want nothing to do with them or YOU!

But you don't know what I'm going to post.

Clearly you conduct yourself inside a belief system.

Yes and another symptom of Cognitive Dissonance is running away from the argument.

 

[roscoe]

Read-Only forgets something.

I've read all the comments on here before I posted.

I already know all the counter arguments.

Another four posts to go and then I'll go for it.

You can get a preview of my performance (same username) by going onto JREF - a signally sanitized one-view-only forum.

The quite obvious example that only ONE VIEW is exhibited on that forum should tell you everything.

They cannot handle well formulated arguments and run away from them by banning anyone who forces them to think.

Just to let everyone know that when I'm attacked personally I chalk it up as yet another victory as my protagonist has run out of reasoned argument.

I cannot argue yet because I'm banned from posting any proofs you will clearly demand from me once I get going. I need to post 15 plus posts first.

i've been doing this for 12 years (started January 2002) and have yet to be beaten.

Oh and I enjoy it.

 

[roscoe]

Jesse Ventura's TV show 'Conspiracy Theory' has now brought some mainstream media attention to the energy beam theories of Dr. Judy Wood, who seeks to demonstrate that most of the buildings just simply turned to dust in mid air.

Dr Judy Wood is feeding disinformation. either that or we're witnessing Alzheimer's.

 

[paddoboy]

Building collapse? Forget it.

By concentrating on this you are avoiding the most relevant question.

WHO DID IT????????

It really doesn't matter how the building collapsed, you could even concede that the planes brought the building down it doesn't change the most relevant question.

By the way I BELIEVE the buildings collapsed through controlled demolition. But it's a BELIEF, I don't do BELIEF.

I'll be on here to show you WHO DID IT.

Can't at the moment because I'm new here and I can't post links or pictures.

But

WATCH THIS SPACE..

It's so typical of some conspiracy nutters and the ilk, that their confidence in their own paranoia is unshakable.
Best of luck...Doubt that I will be watching, and I doubt that you will ever change the overwhelming reality of what did happen and the truth.

 

[roscoe]

It's so typical of some conspiracy nutters and the ilk, that their confidence in their own paranoia is unshakable.
Best of luck...Doubt that I will be watching, and I doubt that you will ever change the overwhelming reality of what did happen and the truth.

Someone else who is afraid of what they might learn.

Do you always conduct discussions by refusing to view anything which violates your comfort zone?

Yes I'll post to you what a registered psychologist says about your condition. Once I'm allowed to post links.

PS would the moderators please note the Ad Hominem remarks here.

Just so that when you reach for an excuse to get rid of me (owing to the fact that you cannot deal with what I'm saying and have the overwhelming need to run away - a condition of Cognitive Dissonance) you cannot use the excuse that I'm the one violating the forum rules. Been there done that already and you're responding true to form. i'm not spamming either because I will only respond when someone like you has another go at me.

Remember that all I've done is stated my position at the moment and I'm instantly called a nutter for doing so.

Let me tell you Mister I only respond to feeble attempts at intimidation like this in a positive manner. In short it only emboldens me.

 

[roscoe]

I spent a lot of time looking into this, from who profits to who loses out, Why they already wanted to demolish towers but the cost was to high, To rumsfeld 0n sept 10th admitting that the pentagon had lost 2.3 trillion dollars to only be forgot about on sept11 perfect timing,

But what got me most was when i was looking into certain companies, i applied for some information , I had to supply my post code which i did but they still wanted my house number so i gave next doors,
15 minutes later i see blue lights outside my house i look and the police where going to my next door neighbours house who's number i gave, then they came to mine, They came in and said they had a tip i was going to commit suicide that night, they stood there smiling staring at my pc then left, I tried finding more information the next day and was passed to the chief constable who said the tip off was from kent which is the other side of the country and also where one of the company directors lived that i was looking into.
I have no doubts it was an "inside job". The pieces are out there not just you tube vids.

It is those that control the governments, A few thousand lives mean nothing to them, They play a bigger game. They know they can fool enough of the population as we see here. It is good to "question" to say we are not all "sheeple".

We should never "forget" whether you believe it was an inside job or not. Because we all lost part of our "freedom" on that day.

Nice one.

I've stopped giving out my theories because they are only theories at the end of the day. I cannot then be called a Conspiracy theorist.

I do however have a heap of questions which simply don't get answered.



1)the unprecedented failure of the US air defense system on the morning of the attacks;

2) the AWOL military chain of command during the actual attacks, including the inexplicable behavior of the presidential entourage and the total lack of recriminations for those who were supposedly in charge that day.

3)the seeming impossibility of official claims with regard to Flight 77; WATCH EM LINE UP FOR THAT ONE.

4) the evidence that Flight 93 was shot down;

5) contradictions and dubious evidence in the official claims about the alleged hijackers and masterminds, and doubts about their real identities;

6)signs that the alleged hijackers enjoyed high-level protection against discovery by honest investigators; This is big one and totally undeniable.

7) evidence that the alleged hijackers were financed by states allied with US intelligence; another biggy.

8) suspicious and massive international financial trades suggesting foreknowledge of the attacks;

9)widespread signs of official foreknowledge and, in fact, advance preparation for the 9/11 attack scenario;

10)the long-running links between Islamist fundamentalist terror cells and US covert operations, dating back to CIA support for the anti-Soviet mujahedeen and Osama Bin Ladin himself;

11) the demolition-like collapse of the third skyscraper, WTC 7; THIS ONE HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF MUCH AMUSEMENT TO ME. SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE COME UP WITH A THEORY OF COLLAPSE THROUGH FIRE ALONE AND EACH ONE HAS BEEN BLOWN AWAY BY ME SIMPLY REFERRING THEM TO THE OFFICIAL EXPLANATION BY NIST. THEY ALL DISAGREE WITH IT. OOOOPS!!!!

12) and questions concerning who could have logically expected to derive benefit in the aftermath of a massive attack on the United States. Certainly not IRAQ nor indeed Afghanistan. The two countries that were attacked even after the Official story had insisted that the hijackers came from another country altogether.

13) The Chairman of the only inquiry that has been made has said publicly that QUOTE "THE INQUIRY WAS SET UP TO FAIL" UNQUOTE.

Need a new inquiry and anyone asking me 'well how did they do this or how did they do that' will be answered by me saying.

DUNNO - NEED A NEW INQUIRY. How am I expected to know?

Then watch their utter reluctance to agree that a new inquiry is needed.

The reason for this has been outlined by me already. They will not like what a free and open inquiry will uncover. They simply can't handle the truth. By calling me names they delude themselves into thinking they are making some kind of reasoned argument.

It's the same response as calling me names on here. They can't handle the outcome. It's back to the school playground stuff for them.

 

[Grumpy]

IOW all the stupid crap dreamed up by the nutters who just can't accept the facts. On 9-11 19 Saudi citizens flew two fully fueled aircraft into the WTC, one into the Pentagon and tried to fly one into the Capital building. The damage and fires caused the Twin Towers to collapse on top of the whole complex, Tower One debris falling into the front of WTC 7 causing a day long fire which caused it to also collapse. The ONLY people responsible for this attack are those who hijacked the planes. Anything else you have to say is most likely grade A barnyard droppings. I don't know what makes people so stupid as to not be able to accept these facts, but then there are Creationists and Flat Earthers still.

Grumpy

 

[Grumpy]

roscoe

Is this you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/..._4714933.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

Grumpy

 

[Russ_Watters]

Roscoe, those are statements (claims), not questions.

 

[billvon]

From an interesting article from Psychology Today:

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Paranoia and the Roots of Conspiracy Theories
September 11 and the psychological roots of conspiracy theories.
Published on September 11, 2008 by Ilan Shrira

A friend of mine recently convinced me to watch "Loose Change", a documentary about the alleged conspiracy and cover-up of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by the U.S. government. . . . Rather than speculating about the existence of specific conspiracies, I find a far more intriguing topic to be the psychology behind conspiracy thinking. Fortunately, an excellent book called Empire of Conspiracy by Tim Melley explores this issue.

Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades. He discusses some of the paranoia behind our obsessions with political assassinations, gender and race relations, stalkers, mind control, bureaucracies, and the power of corporations and governments.

Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.

When fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."

Although Melley doesn't present any empirical data to show that conspiracy thinking has been increasing for these reasons, some research by psychologist Jean Twenge is consistent with his hypotheses. Twenge's research examines how Americans' personality traits have been changing over the past several decades. She reviews the results of hundreds of studies published from the 1960s through the end of the century, looking at the personality scores for each year. For example, she finds that trait anxiety (or neuroticism) has been rising dramatically in both children and adults over this period.

In another study, she shows that people have come to hold an increasingly stronger external "locus of control"; this refers to the feeling that external forces are determining what happens to you, as opposed to an internal locus of control, the feeling that you dictate your own outcomes. Twenge suggests that the stronger external locus of control reflects our ever-increasing exposure to uncontrollable events and a rise in the "victim mentality" of our culture.

Individualistic values have also been getting stronger in our culture, with greater importance attached to personal freedoms and self-reliance. The U.S. currently ranks highest in individualism compared to all other nations in the world.

The rise in anxiety, individualism, and external locus of control may therefore underlie the rise in conspiracy thinking. This is somewhat troubling because these personality trends show no sign of leveling off. In fact, given the current pace of globalization and the "Americanization" of other countries, it seems likely that these personality traits (and conspiracy thinking) will be increasing elsewhere too.

But what's the actual appeal of believing in conspiracy theories? What purpose do they serve people?

For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.

In addition to the changes in personality, conspiracy theories are also growing more popular because of the mass media, which circulates these ideas to a wider audience and indoctrinates more believers. Plus, the sheer amount of information in today's media increases the odds that someone will detect "coincidences" or "patterns" that serve to fuel these beliefs. These trends in the media won't be reversing themselves anytime soon either.

Does all this mean we should expect even more conspiracy theorizing and paranoia to come? Will conspiracy theories ever become a dominant ideology in our culture the way scapegoating sometimes is in other cultures?

It's not clear whether we've reached any sort of tipping point yet. But if polls are any indication, the events of 9/11 may have transformed conspiracy theories from "implausible visions of a lunatic fringe" to a mainstream response to the most disturbing of events.

How are we to prevent this kind of thinking from taking us hostage?

 

[paddoboy]

IOW all the stupid crap dreamed up by the nutters who just can't accept the facts. On 9-11 19 Saudi citizens flew two fully fueled aircraft into the WTC, one into the Pentagon and tried to fly one into the Capital building. The damage and fires caused the Twin Towers to collapse on top of the whole complex, Tower One debris falling into the front of WTC 7 causing a day long fire which caused it to also collapse. The ONLY people responsible for this attack are those who hijacked the planes. Anything else you have to say is most likely grade A barnyard droppings. I don't know what makes people so stupid as to not be able to accept these facts, but then there are Creationists and Flat Earthers still.

Grumpy

Hit that proverbial nail, fair square on the head......
Actually follows the scientific method to a "T"..........