300: Narrator

America is doomed from the inside out as well as from the outside.

Consider how stupid americans are, how good they are at constantly drawing negative attention and bad diplomacy.

People(americans) consider a film such as 300 trivial even at this juncture with iraq. This movie is propagandistic.

It isn't. This movie not only shows the total tactlessless and immaturity of the american culture but is just completely self-absorbed in their pathetic, shallow ego.

Then blasphemously racist by vilifying not only the persians (representing iraqis) but every nonwhite race in the name of "feedom!" when there is a huge immigrant population in their own country which many actually believe is their home and their country!

Terrible people and shows your true colors in times of crisis and what selfish, self-serving, narrow-minded racists YOU WERE ALL ALONG.

It's not because immigrants cause problems or blah, blah, blah.

The truth and the root of it is just pure racism, flat-out based on arrogance, competition, and identity. Otherwise, they wouldn't demonize everyone.

I've had enough experience to know that whites will demonize everyone nonwhite no matter what you do or your character, the better to make themselves feel better, so now I give them a reason, no nice guy/gal, no more playing by the rules etc, fuk you.
 
`You just got to keep saying to yourself..

" It's only a movie..."
 
300: Racist War Propaganda with Septic Timing


Growing up, my mother's Greek ancestry was a personal lode star, a point from which I was able to get my bearings in the world. I read the myths, memorized the names of gods and heroes, and took pride in a people's accomplishment, as if they were my own. This is the sort of thing that some boys do when they are a bit lost. When they are afraid, they latch on to visions of power and when fear poisons boys against the world, they turn to hate and cruelty. I never associated myself with the Spartans; I hardly thought of them as Greeks. I thought they were hateful. Even as a child I could see that were the cruelest kind of aristocrats. They gloried in war and had no work other than killing. They could do this because they were surrounded by "helots" - slaves who's lives were given over to feeding, clothing, and when the time came for a Spartan boy to become a man, dying for the pleasure of these despots. Spartans are exactly the kind heroes a fearful boy wants. The kind of heroes that make him feel that he is superior and pure in the hatred of others' weaknesses. The new film 300 basks in precisely this sort of hatred.

A.O. Scott dismisses the movie as stupid and violent, but it took in over $70 million during its opening weekend. Scott's dismissal failed to see something a lot of other Americans were quick to recognise. 300 is not a terrible film, its a fantastic film that panders to a fearful America. It is a brand of propaganda I had imagined was a thing of the past. 300 would make Leni Riefenstahl blush . I think this is a smart film, that a lot of thought went into its making, but that its intended audience is not Scott, it is young men and women of fighting age. 300 is following up on the success of Sin City. Both films are adaptations of comic books by Frank Miller, who also is credited as a producer for both films. The films share an aesthetic of digitally abstracted violence, real flesh is turned into the consistency of cartoon ink: it gives way like warm butter, without resistance and without regret or consequence. These are worlds of deep black and white. Sin City pioneered this aesthetic at the service of noir nihilism. With 300 this stylized violence is harnessed to the cause of glorifying total war. 300 is a pornographic vision of power and perfection and has only contempt for the disfigured and unfamiliar. It plays on the contemporary fear that we are facing a clash of civilizations, and stokes that fear with racist imagery. By calling up old Aryan dreams of a classical world peopled by blond haired blue eyed individuals, and threatening that world with an undifferentiated dark-skinned horde, the film panders to the ugliest aspect of America. Race separates good from evil in this film, this is part of the way it promotes total war. 300 would have us believe that no quarter can be given to our enemies because they are sub-human and hideous.

When I found out that 300 had been turned into a film and was due to be released this winter I described its timing as "septic." The comic book was a retelling of the story of Thermopylae - a story that has been used to psych up populations for war in democratic nations since year one of the French revolution. The original story, of warrior idealists protecting Greece against a huge Persian army, was a familiar one from childhood. Making a film from the story I grew up with now, with the US and Iranian administrations playing chicken with nukes and threats of attacks, would seem like tragically bad timing. When you add to that the comic's racist imagery: the god-king Xerxes and his spokesmen are all dark skinned blacks, his army, masked and identical henchmen, described repeatedly as "slaves.", it fulfills my prediction of "septic" timing. But I underestimated exactly how septic a film version of 300 could be.

The racism of the comic was something I could excuse. I like to think I am a sophisticated consumer of contemporary culture, used to unpacking the racist elements of films by the likes of Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese. I can enjoy a film with racist characters or racist banter without feeling like I am participating in racism. Even so, the comic book was troubling. I am half Greek, and I am used to being mistaken by orthodox Jews as Jewish (they want me to go to temple), by Turks as a Turk, Lebanese and Iranians as middle eastern (those guys generally want to talk food - sometimes they tell me warmly that I should pray). I like when this happens. I am being told: "you look like one of us." And I do. Across the Mediterranean, everybody eats the same food (the Lebanese use more mint) and look pretty much the same - or as a character in the film Mediterraneo (1991) put it: "One face, one race." In an electric scene from Quentin Tarantino's script for True Romance Dennis Hopper's character provokes a mobster, played by Christopher Walken, into killing him, telling him that "Sicilians were spawned by niggers... blond hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin... you're part eggplant." Tarantino's script credits the "Moors' with this change - that the dark skinned characteristics of Italians, and by extension Greeks, are a modern development. I have no doubt that sub-Saharan Africans contributed a mighty portion to my genetic heritage, but I think this is an exchange that has been going on since humans spread out around the fertile crescent. Africans have helped shape the ancient world, body and mind. I am sure that blonds helped too, but the Iliad makes it clear that Greeks did as well. Homer differentiates the Greeks from their neighbors only by the length of their hair (Greeks had the longer hair) . If I am part "eggplant" it is because Greeks have always been part eggplant. The image of fair skinned blue eyed ancient Greeks is the wishful thinking of racist anglicizers of the classical world.

So I took the racism of the comic as part of an unreflected, inherited prejudice about the "Moorish" origin of Greek's dark features. But the filmmakers took it further; the Greeks were fairer in the film, and the Persians darker. The ranks of identical masked Persian soldiers revealed flashes of long dark-kinky hair and charcoal rimmed eyes. Such stereotypically racist depictions of the enemy aren't limited to 300, of course. Peter Jackson was criticized for imbuing "Easties ", a masked, race/tribe/group in his Lord of the Rings, with vaguely Middle Eastern features. And while the embarrassed director sought to placate critics by adding an explanatory/exculpatory scene in the DVD edition of the film, the makers of 300 have taken the opposite tack, pushed this aspect well beyond the racist colorations found in the original. In among the ranks of uniformed Persian regulars were whitewashed Sub-Saharan Africans, who were made to look especially pathetic and bumbling in their unlikely regalia. Xerxes' shock troops of grimacing "Immortals" wore "Africanized" tragedy masks in the comic book. But that wasn't enough for the filmmakers, who removed these bronze masks to reveal vampiric monsters with tusks like wild boars.


Because the movie takes so directly from the comic - almost religiously copying the look and composition - the aspect of the film that reveals the intentions of its makers is what is changed from comic to film. The comic turned a Greek traitor, Ephialtes, into a victim of the Spartan practice of exposing to the elements deformed newborns. Miller draws Ephialtes as a nightmarish hunch back, who desires to take his place among the Spartans. This is not a part of the story I grew up with and I found it an interesting twist. The filmmakers might have chosen to highlight the cruelty of the Spartan practice, and the irony that it led to their downfall, but instead they added a menagerie of monstrous and disfigured freaks to Xerxes' army (but not as many as they added to his harem). Added to the story of the Spartan king defying the "priests of the old gods" is a new rear guard force - a decadent do-nothing parliament led by a traitorous politician in the payment of Xerxes who seeks to undo the King's plan to mobilize all Greece by his heroic self-sacrifice. The peacenik politician tricks the noble "stay-the-course" queen into giving him the only thing the filmmakers could imagine a peace-seeking politician might want: forced sex, with the terms laid out clearly by the politician as he takes her from behind: "This will not be short, and you will not enjoy it." The queen is betrayed all the same, but the traitor revealed. The film's homophobic racist war-mongering intentions could only be made more explicit if the queen had hollered "Take that, you Nancy Pelosi-boy!" as she stabbed the traitor to death.

I am not easily alarmed by the spectre of propaganda, but this movie, which follows the comic book almost religiously, has reconstructed the narrative of Miller's book in pointed manner that panders to those with the agenda of expanding the American war in Iraq. The image of Roman and Greek austerity and heroics have been used since the earliest years of the enlightenment as an ideal of democratic militancy. In his book Total War, David A. Bell argues that story of Spartan sacrifice at Thermopylae played a key role in the construction of the rhetoric for all out war. Bell argues that total war was spoken into being by enlightenment thinkers; only after the French revolution would their ideas be put into practice. As I watched 300 I kept wondering what it was that was being spoken into being. I understand that the director, Zack Snyder feels that the film can be interpreted as either pro-Bush or anti-Bush. That Bush could be either the Spartan king, or the Persian king - so he asserts that the film is non partisan, that's a false choice. This movie is pro-war propaganda, it tells its audience to hate and destroy its inhuman enemy. The original story has a long pedigree of idealizing war. The comic book adds to this by abstracting out the nasty parts and carving it down to a simple idealized shape. In his book, Bell contrasts two works of Voltaire. The realism and horror of Candide, is contrasted with an early poem called Fontenoy , which describes a terrible and bloody French victory. Bell writes that "It avoided the gruesome details almost entirely. Instead, it used a style that reduced the battle to sonorous and decorative abstractions." The filmmakers stated politics may be ambivalent, but the aesthetic they have used is unambiguously pro-war, and more alarming, pro-total war.

Bullies are unable to properly judge threats - they see everyone and everything as a threat. Bullies live in fear and they deal in hate. The current administration tells Americans to be afraid. They have told us what to fear, when to fear, and they have color-coded fear so they can tell us at what level our fear should rise to. They have told us that fanatics with box cutters and plastic explosives are as dangerous to us as the industrial might of Nazi Germany and the nuclear missiles of Soviet Russia. Only a coward would believe that. 300 was crafted by someone that is telling us we don't have to be afraid, that we can hate instead, but they're wrong. The Bush administration has picked the low hanging fruit, if they could bully North Korea or Syria or Iran the way they bullied Iraq, they would have already. America needs to stop being afraid. "Taking the fight to the terrorists" is one more policy built on fear, but to make friends we need to be brave.

John Powers is an artist living and working in Brooklyn, NY.
 
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The nice(racist)white people behind their fake pc smile. Dirty thoughts anyone?

It amazes me how white people tend to think they are not greedy, selfish, mystic(religion), ugly(white cow).

I know the white pus psyche so intimately, i have more contempt for them than any human group.

My stepfather is a typical whitebread, fundamental right-wing, communist-hating, hypocritcal, bigoted, perverted, christian, ferocious, dishonorable, arrogant(proud), greedy, self-centered, white-loving piece of shit. You are the only race that would produce a such an audacious, blasphemous dirty lowlife who would marry an outsider just to preach to them day in and day out how you and your race are better, lol. I've never seen another race this twisted or devious but then i guess that is where you get your supposed extra intelligence(deviant,lol). Like a mixture of chlorine and the worst rotten pus, your soul.

You really are the most disgusting race except you can't see it. I suggest you do something about your attitude or you do close your borders because foreigners can see your pathetic white scum.

Wow. You're so racist.Your whole post say white people are racist bigoted what-the-fuck-ever. I'm sorry your father hates you. Get over it. Not all white people are like that.
 
Wow. You're so racist.Your whole post say white people are racist bigoted what-the-fuck-ever. I'm sorry your father hates you. Get over it. Not all white people are like that.

HOW DARE YOU TELL SOMEONE TO GET OVER ANYTHING, YOU SNITTY LITTLE BITCH. THE FUKER IS NOT MY FATHER. HE IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO ME BY BLOOD.

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HE FEELS OR THINKS OF ME YOU STUPID RETARD, HE WAS ALWAYS BOTHERING ME NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, I'M EXPRESSING I DON'T LIKE HIM BITCH!

NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE "ARE LIKE THAT", HOW BRILLIANT OF YOU, WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT MYSELF, BUT MOST ARE YOU CLUELESS, HEAD IN THE CLOUDS IMBECILE.

THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
 
Iam,

I suggest you get more imaginative and/or witty with your insulting or I'm going to start giving you infractions and deleting/editing your posts.

As to the movie, try reading some Herodotus. I suppose you're going to say Herodotus is a stupid American too, right?
 
HOW DARE YOU TELL SOMEONE TO GET OVER ANYTHING, YOU SNITTY LITTLE BITCH. THE FUKER IS NOT MY FATHER. HE IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO ME BY BLOOD.

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HE FEELS OR THINKS OF ME YOU STUPID RETARD, I'M EXPRESSING I DON'T LIKE HIM BITCH!

NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE "ARE LIKE THAT", HOW BRILLIANT OF YOU, WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT MYSELF, BUT MOST ARE YOU CLUELESS, HEAD IN THE CLOUDS IMBECILE.

THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
Didn't you say dude was your dad? You're tripping either way. I'd rather not debate with you about your bigoted nonsense. Like I said, get over it; start worrying about real life. It doesn't matter who you think is whatever, you have to deal with it. You have to get over it. So just do it.
 
not so innocent inaccuracies of the film
I Sense an Agenda

I contend that this film has been specifically timed for release and designed to consciously or subconsciously appeal to people to draw obvious parallels between Persians (Middle Easterners) vs. Spartans (Americans) during a time in our history when there is a very real conflict between the two cultures, and the very real threat of an invasion of Iran by the US. Movie producers know full well that topical, controversial films are a recipe for box office success, and that is true of the 300 which is already racking up huge profits.

In the current political environment a film which is so irresponsibly inaccurate, almost deliberately deceptive and misleading, and so readily appeals to the lowest common denominator with its slick visuals and intuitively desirable but totally incorrect underlying message is something I deplore

The Persians, depicted as sadistic, perverted, evil, blasphemous, dark and malignant, are hell-bent on invading Greece to kill innocent people and subjugate these humble Spartans

There is no doubt that this occurred, and that the Spartans in particular were brave to remain and fight in the face of overwhelming odds. But that's where the facts of the matter end. The film then renders a totally misleading account of even the most basic facts of the battle, in what might even be said to be almost a propagandistic manner. Let's look at some critical facts, starting with the Spartan's much-touted "love of freedom".

Let's be clear on this: the Spartans held slaves, the Persians generally did not. This fact alone totally shatters the underpinnings of this film. The Spartans were not fighting for a "new age of Freedom". Indeed the Spartans more often than not were fighting their fellow Greeks for Hellenic rulership. They were a Greek superpower engaged in constant power struggles. Meanwhile the entire Spartan and Greek empire was served by Greek slaves called Helots. These Helots had no personal or political freedom, toiling to provide the goods and services the Spartans enjoyed. They were ritually mistreated, often fatally, and their young were forcibly recruited into the army to fight for the Greeks. Indeed the Spartans lived in fear of the Helots as they were outnumbered by them and totally reliant on them. When a Spartan came of age, he didn't go off to hunt a wolf, he would hunt and kill unarmed helots to prove his manhood.

The Persians made a point of declaring this in Cyrus the Great's Charter of Human Rights which has been recognized by the United Nations as the first such charter:
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I prevent slavery and my governors and subordinates are obliged to prohibit exchanging men and women as slaves within their own ruling domains. Such a traditions should be exterminated the world over.

In fact the Persians freed all the Jewish slaves upon conquering Babylon.

Whereas the Spartans and Greeks held and mistreated slaves and did so as a normal part of their economy, Persian troops came from many conquered lands, but they were paid and not enslaved to fight. Persian lands were ruled by local Governors (called Satraps) and were not enslaved nations. They were specifically allowed to retain their traditions, religions, and wealth. Persia was one of the first truly tolerant empires on Earth, attempting to bring a range of nations under an umbrella of Persian law and justice. Were the Persians saints on earth? I doubt that. But even by Greek accounts they certainly appear far more tolerant, just and good than the Spartans. The Greeks hold the main known accounts of the Persians - Alexander the Great destroyed the Persian records by burning down Persepolis. So despite their clear bias against the Persians, even the Greeks respected and revered them.

The Persians are portrayed in a horrendously inaccurate fashion.

Here is how they're portrayed in the film:


The Immortals did not wear Japanese-style armour or face masks, nor use Japanese-style Katana/Wakizashi sword combinations. They did not call themselves "Immortals" as a boast, this is a Greek name given to them. They obviously did not look like orcish man-beasts either, nor is it even clear how the Immortals fought at Thermopylae; whether they were used in full force or kept as a reserve for later battles in the Greek campaign. I'd suggest it seems unlikely that the 10,000 Immortals fought actively at Thermopylae in reality, as they were elite forces too valuable to sacrifice in a scenario involving an attack on a fortified mountain pass.

-The Persians are portrayed as perverse and blasphemous, godless people. Yet ironically it was the Greeks who had multiple gods and sacrificed offerings to them - often hundreds of animals sacrificed before battle to appease their Gods. The Persians on the other hand were Zoroastrians, a religion which only has one God and is the forerunner of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. It has as the central tenet "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds." The Persians did not engage in perverse or depraved acts - indeed unlike the Greeks, the Persians did not as a matter of common acceptance take small boys to bed for example. The Persians appear to have taken pleasure in the simpler things in life, such as the cultivation of beautiful gardens. They had a (ironically) very 'spartan', minimalist lifestyle. They were also Aryans, not dark people - the country Iran to this day retains its name meaning "Land of Aryans".

There are of course other issues, such as the fact that the Greeks were not united in opposing the Persians; some wanted to make peace with the Persians not fight them. Most importantly, there were not only 300 Spartans who came to the battle of Thermopylae, there were 700 Thespians who joined them, and indeed a range of up to 6,000 other Greeks (some of them forcibly retained by the Spartans to fight). Thus the total Greek fighting force was closer to 7,000 for most of the battle. The Spartans would alternate with the rest of the Greeks in holding the front line of the Phalanx.

The numbers for the battle are generally incredibly nonsensical. It is claimed by the Greek historian Herodotus that they were around 2 million Persians. This is almost certainly totally absurd. Read the discussion at Wikipedia to understand why. The numbers were more likely to be in the range of 200,000, some even say as low as 30,000. The Greeks are claimed to have killed up to 20,000 Persians in the first couple of days, while only losing 2 -3 Spartans. Picture for yourself how stupid this claim is. Imagine if you will that 20,000 corpses could even fit in the mouth of a narrow pass, much less at the cost of only two Spartan lives. This among other claims by Greek historians is obviously the work of a fervent imagination designed to glorify the Spartans beyond belief. It also reinforces the fact that most accounts of the battle itself are likely over-hyped and exaggerated a great deal by the Greeks.

- The Persian army was large not due to "Persian cowardice", but because the Persians were marching on the whole of Greece itself, not just against the Spartans. The Spartans intercepted the Persians on the way through Greece. Not that using large numbers in an Army could be considered cowardice, otherwise the US, Russian and Chinese armies could then be accused of much the same thing in any recent engagements they've been involved in.

They did not jump about killing hundreds of men with amazing dance-fighting techniques as the 300 would have you believe. The only thing which kept them alive for as long as it did was the strategy of using a tight-shielded Phalanx formation, maintained at the mouth of a narrow pass.

Ok, So What, It's Just a Movie Dude

The most common response to these types of allegations will be "So what, the 300 is just a movie, it's not meant to be historically accurate!". Yes, of course it's a movie.

They serve to generate or reinforce stereotypes, particularly among more impressionable, less experienced youth who are actually the target audience for this film. I even saw one discussion on the IMDB movie boards discussing whether we could live up to the ideals of the Spartans! Most people have no idea that aside from the Hollywood special effects, this film is actually way off the mark in almost every respect, particularly about the Spartans and the Persians, who they really were, and what they actually stood for.

Disturbingly, this film is clearly intended as a sort of morality tale, about "defending freedom" at all costs. The humble but militarily supreme Spartans, while heavily outnumbered, bravely fight to the end to secure freedom against tyranny. The Spartans are clearly a proxy for white western people, both in appearance and their jovial behavior. The Persians are clearly a proxy for Middle Easterners.
 
not so innocent inaccuracies of the film

iam, you've clearly got a huge chip on your shoulder, so much so that you dish out hate like it's a virtue. So all white Americans are pieces of shit, well thanks for your insight. Do you have anyhting to offer on white Europeans?
Can you articulate a rational response to this move without posting quotes from other sources (and not even telling us those sources) and using it as a forum to spit out your own racism?
 
Please get one thing straigh, IAM, the film is a superb adaptation of a COMIC BOOK / GRAPHIC NOVEL.

It is NOT meant to be a factual retelling of history - but a cinematic adaptation of a FICTIONALISED ACCOUNT of a real historical battle.
Certain elements are true (there were roughly 300 Spartans, and a f**k-load of Persians) - and they did use the geographical features of the area to good effect. And Spartan's were very good soldiers.

The tone of the graphic novel might be viewed as rascist by some - but it is nothing other than a typical "underdog-good vs superior-power-evil" story that you choose to blow out of all proportion because you seem to have nothing better to do.

Would you have the story retold as the 250,000 Persian "Heroes" bravely fighting the 300 Spartan evil-people? Of course not - it just doesn't work - or appeal to anyone's sense of achievement.

Hollywood (or whoever made this film) took a work of art - the graphic novel "300" - and turned it into a cinematic experience.
The film and book achieve the same things on different media - which is why we get the swathes of slow-mo action - and visual treats.

As you can probably tell - I loved the film.
It does exactly what it says on the tin, so to speak.
 
Hey Iam, why don't you go shoot up a university you scummy chink cunt.

When one realizes another party is racist underneath the surface, it is no longer any use in pretending otherwise. It's best to show people for what they really are. When one tests the others hand, the playing field is leveled and aboveboard by being able to evaluate who is foe or friend by their reaction. lol

As such, whites also have their own biases and prejudices, their "cultural baggage", if you will, which they carry around with them whereever they go, and are not merely objective observers.

In short, they hold like all groups, ethnocentric views that are completely subjective. However, whites are different from other enthnocentric groups in that they perceive themselves as being non-subjective, which is not the case at all. This feeling or idea by some whites that they alone occupy the moral high ground leads to their cultural chauvinism and imperialism.


I'm a Chinese college student and as a walked around campus today, other people yelled at me that all my "people" were to blame for the tragedy that happened yesterday. I hope I nor any other Asian-American will have to deal with much more of this.

Yes, after what they did to American students, they should leave. Same thing for their cultural ilk. They are a threat to the US and its people. As for nationwide action, our government should take every action the see fit, from seizing Asian American assests, prohibiting the owning of guns by Asians and deporting Asians.

The above example is a clear indication that the inherent belief of americans was clearly asians are not. After all, they don't deport criminal irishmen, scottish, german or themselves. Further proof is how the asian community abroad have been the most law-abiding, even more so than other ethnic groups as well as the 'real' americans they refer to. Then, on top of this, the young boy had obvious mental and emotional problems, not targeting any racial group but killing randomly. His writings and behavior hints strongly of child abuse and molestation by a schoolteacher, stepfather or authority figure as well as being a loner.
 
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Yes.
Well, while Dr. Lou's statement was a bit visceral, you might wish to go back and peruse some of Iam's statements and determine that he has no moral high ground behind which to hide from such statements.

Iam is perhaps the most hardcore racist on this forum at present.
 
You know what's bullshit? "Going beyond the author," that's what's bullshit.

And if Frank Miller sees the war between the ancients, depicted in the comic, as parallel for a colossal east v west conflict, then it is, because he wrote the fucking thing.
 
Well, as I alluded to earlier, the east vs. west thing actually began with Herodotus. Who wasn't an American.

You know what's bullshit? "Going beyond the author," that's what's bullshit.

Not always though. It's a gamble. But sometimes worth it.
Going beyond the author is what made Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory a masterpiece and part of what doomed Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to being... not good.
 
It was, actually, an east vs. west thing.
What I mean is that the allusion to America's current state of foreign affairs is entirely Millers'. Not only was Herodotus not an American, he lived like a thousand years ago, which was before America!
 
Ah. Probably. However, it did read much less like a propanda piece as a comic.

One key phrase that was changed in the movie were the Spartans fighting for JUSTICE (in the comic) and FREEDOM (in the movie.)

Frankly, the mix of Spartans and FREEDOM is kinda... funny. Sure, they're kinda free. But more like slaves to their city. Impressed into service at birth. In service until the day they're brought home on their shields.

JUSTICE would have been a much better ideal for Spartans to fight for.
 
I meant that "going beyond the author" is a great way to interpret something if you want a bullshit interpretation.

Reinterpreting's different. Adaption, different.
But putting words in the author's mouth?


errr, author's book.
 
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