Your War on Terror

spidergoat said:
Let them hate, that's what they do best anyway. Israel does not strap bombs to it's children in order to influence the political climate.

Oh Yeah, Israel does worse, they send their planes to bomb palestienans sleeping in their homes, something more disgusting than the suicide bombers.

Beside: ' what is the difference between Palestinean suicide martyer using the only mean available to him to deliver the bomb and an Israeli pilot wrapping himself with AMERICAN F16 to deliver the bomb ???????????

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Good fences make good neighbors!

Build your RACIST WALL on your land not on the palestinean land, but again, since when the jews were that considerate about others ??

If we did not support Israel, they would be besieged on all sides by the muslims, and be forced to war, which they would surely win, again.

what a load of bullshit, Israel was kicked out from lebanon in 1982 by the Syrian army and later in 2000 and after 20 years of war with SMALL group of freedom fighters ( Hizbollah ) Israel was defeated and was forced to FLEE south lebanon... :D

We have to deal with whoever is in power. Why don't you stop creating dictators and tyrants that we have to deal with?

Are all jews like you ?? it is you who create them...because you jews know very well once we have democracies in the ME, your terrorist state will evaportate.

Perhaps when muslims become fair and just in fighting their causes, rather than resorting to terror.

Terrorism is like beauty, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

Talk is cheap, no amount of talk will defeat fanatical muslims, they are institutionally closed-minded.

Like the zionist jews.

They ARE bombs of love. Feel the warm embrace of a vaporizing cloud, the only thing sure to warm the fanatical muslim's heart.

Islam is now stealing the sleep from your eyes....you are very scared from small bunch of the so called 'extremists'' !!

In America, you are free to hate whoever you wish, it is none of the government's business.

I did not know you speak on behlaf of America !! :rolleyes:
 
Posted by Proud Muslim

The American government need to be seen as FAIR and JUST regarding Muslim causes all over the world ( we dont hear America complaining about the BARBARIC Russian treatments of the chechyen muslims, the same regarding the Kashmiris in India, the same regarding the treatment of Muslims in the Philipenes ).


What the hell do you mean by Kashmiris in India? Do YOU Know what the real issue of Kashmir is? Did you know that Kashmiris are a subject of terror in India and they have been terrorised by the the Pakistan Ocuppied Kashmir training camps.

When you said dictator; you should have said President Musharraf.His duality and inefficient administartion has become talk of town.He recently let a Nuclear scientist go away after he leaked information to Iran etc! How did he? Needless to say that Pakistan's Dictator is not sure how much havoc he has caused and the whole world knows what exactly has happened,and that Musharraf was an accomplice in doing so.

India has been subjugated to terrorism for almost a decade now.America was attacked only once which killed many people.My condolences,But in Case of India America refuses to admit that Pak occupied Kashmir has Terrist Camp despite the information given to them on a regular basis.

Did you know that free and Fair elections were held in Kashmir recently?And Zillions of poeple participated in these Elections.

Pakistan says,Kashmir is an issue.Yes it is.POK is an issue and India wants this POK back and reunited with Kashmir.Pakistan says,kashmir needs to be in Pakistan because of Muslim population and do you know that terrorists regularly target Hindu Kashmiri Pandts there so that they could leave Kashmir?Not only that Sikhs were Targeted recently by militancy in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

India tried Lahore peace process,and look what happened?!! They did Kargil? right? and who was the leader of Pakistan then? Nawaz Shariff? what happened to him,he was sent to exile! just when peace process was around the corner.
Both nations are trying hard today to find their lost brotherhood back.India and Pak faught their independence together under Mahatma Gandhiji.Pakistan is fond of Bollywood films,Lahore loves Indian Films and serials.Indians Love Pakistani plays.Both the countried speak same langauge.Both the countries have common passion : Cricket!.You mustnt forget: there are more muslims in India than in Pakistan.And they live excellent lives.And contribute to worlds fastest growing economy.

bye!
 
Eng Grez said:
1 - Israel is not a terrorist state and no.

2 - No. Moderates would be eradicated by extremists.

3 - No. Once again, not caving in to extremists equals oppression and "unfairness" in your eyes.

4 - No. They speak out daily in the West. It is in their own countries that they are oppressed by extremists.

5 - No. We give plenty of money to governments for "building."

6 - No. First Amendment, and all that. We're not tearing up the Constitution so Abdel Raziz al-Schmoe in Cairo feels that the Christians aren't coming to make him an infidel.

Engrez,

I am grateful to you for clarifying India's position on War on Terrorism.It has experienced this phenomenon for a long time.And all of this has been agenda of POK camps,needless to say that Pakistan knows about this,But situation has become uncontrollable in Pakistan too recently.Indians have raised these issuess in front of U.S. lots of times.The U.S.in recent times has provided India with great help.FBI offices have recently been opened.But India asserts that it wouldnt require any mediation of U.S.,since it would like the talks to be bilateral.Pakistan and India are moving towards a solution which i hope would be a peaceful end to the whole process.Both the countries have recently warmed up their cold relations.As i said earlier,Pakistan and India know each other,they just need to sit down and have a heart to heart talk on issues.POK camps will be an issue raised in Pakistan.I am sure Musharraf wont faler this time.Also,i think India warned to world recently about the leakage of Nuclear Secrets.This is where India has an advantage of Political maturity.India has an outstanding record of Secularist culture with some minor incidents happening here and there and is sole example which it presents to all the other third world countries as a stable democracy for more than 50 years.India is moving fast towards Capitalism,as Disinvestment continues,The countries has shown great signs of overall growth with heightened up stock markets due to openness with foreign investments.

Let Kashmir issue not be a Nuclear flash point.Indians have had enough of this Terrorism.Muslims in India (As a Hindu,I have many of them as great pals) are amazed at what these imbecile jehadies and their Agenda.Quaran's mentioned Jehad needless to say has lost its meaning .

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Beside: ' what is the difference between Palestinean suicide martyer using the only mean available to him to deliver the bomb and an Israeli pilot wrapping himself with AMERICAN F16 to deliver the bomb ?

What's the difference between a bank robber that kills an innocent person and the cop who, in the course of shooting him, also kills an innocent person?

Build your RACIST WALL on your land
According to your views on Saudi Arabia, a country should be allowed to do what they wish, including restricting the travel of certain minorities.

Are all jews like you ?? it is you who create them...because you jews know very well once we have democracies in the ME, your terrorist state will evaportate.
No, most Jews are not atheists. Yes, when the ME consists of peaceful democracies, Israel will not have to fight terrorism anymore, and will cease to be accused of it.

Like the zionist jews.
Zionism is no longer an issue, the Jews have their state, and yes, they are closed minded enough to not even consider dissolving it.

I did not know you speak on behlaf of America !!
I don't know what you mean, it is perfectly legal to hate Islam, and even promote bigotry. It is public opinion, not federal law that must answer it.

you are very scared from small bunch of the so called 'extremists'' !!
Yes, that's true. What's your point?
 
Jews have an undeniable right to their homeland. They occupied Judea two thousand years ago and they occupy it again today as Israel.
 
spidergoat said:
What's the difference between a bank robber that kills an innocent person and the cop who, in the course of shooting him, also kills an innocent person?

Bad analogy. Israel has the decision on whether they want to target terrorist leaders in civilian areas or not.

No, most Jews are not atheists. Yes, when the ME consists of peaceful democracies, Israel will not have to fight terrorism anymore, and will cease to be accused of it.

I'm sure the Middle East can set up a democracy once America stops supporting monarchies and dictatorships there.
 
joe smith said:
Jews have an undeniable right to their homeland. They occupied Judea two thousand years ago and they occupy it again today as Israel.

So do the Native Americans in America. They been living here for hundreds of years. So they have an undeniable right to their land. Why not give it to them?
 
Jews have an undeniable right to their homeland. They occupied Judea two thousand years ago and they occupy it again today as Israel.

Jews have a right to that land, but not now.
 
9/11 Update: Bad Guys blank World Fellowship

Updating the score as we head to the next inning.
Tiassa said:

But as the American case against Zacarias Moussaoui falls apart in Virginia, we're actually losing this aspect of the War on Terror. The American people have been promised justice, and at present the 9/11 count sits as follows:

Moussaoui - accused, conviction doubt moderate to strong. (US)
Mzoudi - accused, acquitted. (Germany)
Motassadeq - accused, convicted, appealing; chance of winning appeal is moderate to strong; decision expected March 4, 2004. (Germany)

Which means that the official score is:

- Al Qaeda: 2,749
- World: 1 (under review)

But in a state of perpetual warfare, we must remember that it's still early in the game. And it could change to a straight shutout by this time next month.

The score has changed.

At present, the bad guys are blanking the rest of the world. Justice, thus far unaccounted for in the War on Terror, may well be the only actual beneficiary of this new development, as Mounir al-Motassadeq won his appeal against conviction, the German Federal Criminal Court threw out the verdict, and ordered a new trial. Presiding judge, Klaus Tolksdorf, said the evidence against Motassadeq was not sufficient for a conviction.
"The fight against terrorism cannot be a wild, unjust war," Klaus Tolksdorf said.

"A conflict between the security interests of the executive and the rights to defence of the accused cannot be resolved to the disadvantage of the accused,"

He added that although Mr Motassadek was "far from being beyond suspicion", but had a right to a new trial if legal standards were below those he expected.

"We are announcing a verdict here that we do not expect will be greeted with complete agreement,"
(BBC)
According to the BBC, Andreas Schulz, a lawyer representing American relatives of victims, said that the verdict would "surely meet with incomprehension" among his clients.

As we go to the break, preparing for the Spring Offensive, the score:

Al Qaeda: 2,749
World: 0

An appeal to President George W. Bush, Jr. -

Mr. President? Mr. President?! All eyes are on us, in a way. Surely, the situation isn't incomprehensible to you, is it? Admittedly, the families of 9/11's victims need justice, and it may well be that their incomprehension will not be of the fact that the Motossadeq conviction has been thrown out, but perhaps it will be more directly related to the question of how this was allowed to happen. German judges seem to have made it clear throughout that they think this man is guilty. But they cannot and apparently will not set aside the rule of law, which is the declared foundation for justice, in order to tack Motossadeq to the wall.

The evidence compelling this decision comes from fragments acknowledged unofficially to come from Ramzi bin al-Shibh, currently in American custody. The BBC reinforces the standing notion that the United States government is not doing enough to assist its international neighbors in the prosecution of known terrorists.

Did I say, "us"?

I meant, "you."

All eyes are on you, Mr. President. As it stands, Al Qaeda is shutting us out.

Please, sir, help the world help us.

The irony of it is that if you actually did, as conspiracy theorists suggest, have bin Laden tucked away somewhere to be hauled out as an election surprise--a most distasteful accusation, I admit--now would be a very good time to pull the rabbit out of your hat.

As you launch your advertising campaign for re-election, as you tell Americans so eloquently that you know what needs to be done, your critics have launched their first salvo--If you know, why isn't it being done?

Perhaps, Mr. President, you might bear in mind that if security must come before both freedom and justice, you can help secure the nation greatly if you assist other nations in the prosecution of persons accused of facilitating the attacks which destroyed our towers, killed 2,749 people, and shattered thousands, if not millions of American lives.

All eyes are on you, Mr. President. All eyes are on you.

• BBC. "9/11 prisoner wins German retrial." March 4, 2004. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3531501.stm

See Also

• BBC. "'We're Canada's al-Qaeda family." March 4, 2004. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3534195.stm

(I'm not ready to make a post or topic out of this article; amid all the grim things in the world, there is still the idea that Osama bin Laden, "has issues with his wife, and he has issues with his kids, financial issues, you know, the kids aren't listening, the kids aren't doing this and that." Really, I ... I know it's not exactly proper, but ph@ck, that strikes me as absurdly funny.)
 
Strictly speaking, since you seem to be counting all the 11/09 dead, you should count some of those killed in Afghanistan and, for example, I think it was Oman they Hellfired' a car carrying some terrorist suspects. That would up the count a bit.
 
I'm an American. Due process and "justice" still count for something. Well, in principle. After all, this is America ....

Sure, "Dead or Alive," sounds good, feels good to say. But it's so 19th century.

As Judge Tolksdorf explained, "A conflict between the security interests of the executive and the rights to defence of the accused cannot be resolved to the disadvantage of the accused."

And when the judge knows he's guilty, and has nothing to convict someone on, and a gray zone so wide that Ramzi bin al-Shibh can fill it?

We're willing to bomb and kill, but not support the due-process prosecution of terrorist suspects, including those accused of aiding and abetting the effort that killed so many people in New York?

Might bring carnage. Might bring satisfaction for some Americans. But it won't bring justice; you know, that thing sworn to in that pledge of allegiance the President is so intent on forcing children to recite?

For the world community, blowing up bad guys is a null exercise at best, and a losing proposition at worst. You're likely to inspire more bad guys than you get rid of. Justice is just too hard and slow a process for an electoral cycle in America.
 
Say "WoT"? Psychic tip cancels flight

That's right, folks. You did not read that incorrectly.

The Associated Press is reporting that American Airlines flight 1304, from Southwest Florida International Airport, was subject to search by bomb-sniffing dogs after a purported psychic called in a tip. The flight was later canceled for labor and hour considerations. The TSA concedes that the tip was "unusual."

No bomb was found.

• CNN. "Psychic tip prompts bomb search on plane." March 27, 2004. See http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/27/psychic.plane.ap/index.html
 
God loves the Ninth Circuit

Syrian family seeking asylum wins reprieve in Ninth Circuit
Hamoui: "I still believe in America. I still believe in justice . . . ."

It should be noted at the outset that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer (P-I) is traditionally the more liberal of Seattle's two major newspapers. It is also the home newspaper of Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist David Horsey.

(1) Skolnik, Sam. "INS moves to deport prominent Syrian." Seattle P-I, March 8, 2002. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/61449_ins08.shtml
(2) Jamieson, Robert L. "Grocer himself turned dream into nightmare." Seattle P-I, March 9, 2002. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/61613_robert09.shtml
(3) Iwasaki, John. "Syrian family's joy is muted." Seattle P-I. November 19, 2002. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/61449_ins08.shtml
(4) Olsen, Lisa. "Local INS director is abruptly replaced." Seattle P-I. December 20, 2002. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/100855_ins20.shtml
(5) Lange, Larry. "Speakers at Day of Remembrance warn of post-9/11 perils." Seattle P-I, February 10, 2003. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/107961_japanese10.shtml
(6) Editorial Board. "Defiant Justice Dept. makes no apologies." Seattle P-I, June 8, 2003. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/125457_righted8.html
(7) Editoral Board. "Justice with mercy due Syrian family." Seattle P-I, March 14, 2004. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/164568_familyed.html
(8) McGann, Chris. "Syrian's asylum hopes lifted in appeals court." Seattle P-I, March 30, 2004. See http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/166921_hamoui30.html

It goes on. In fact, if you're willing to get a free registration to the site, you can see the list of all their coverage of this story in the archive.

The Story So Far:

In 1992, Safouh Hamoui, a former Syrian military pilot came to the United states on a short-term tourist visa. As the P-I explains:
The arrests stem from the "Absconder Apprehension Initiative," quietly launched by Attorney General John Ashcroft in late January. The program targets 314,000 foreign nationals who have ignored past court orders to leave the country, with an initial focus on the 6,000 illegal immigrants from mostly Middle Eastern countries thought to be home to al-Qaida cells . . . .

. . . . According to court papers, Safouh Hamoui, 50, arrived in New York in October 1992 -- two months after Ismail, 42, and their two daughters entered in Los Angeles. All were admitted on short-term tourist visas.

Six months later, Safouh Hamoui requested asylum for himself and his family. Four years after that, in February 1997, an immigration judge denied the request, and ordered the family deported. The Justice Department's Board of Immigration Appeals rejected their appeal in 1998, and Hamoui appealed again, to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals -- the court of last resort.

Two years later, in June 2000, the family lost that petition as well, and were ordered to report to the INS for deportation. They never showed up. (1)
In the early going, P-I columnist Robert Jamieson, Jr., wrote,
Barring a miracle, the family will go. Some friends fear that if they are deported to Syria they'll be considered spies because they have been gone so long.

Hogwash! They could have been home much sooner, but they wanted to stay here in America, by any means necessary.

So they broke our rules. Now they have to face the consequences.

No exceptions allowed. (2)
And yet yesterday, the P-I reported on the latest development of this case. The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals has once again aimed its critical trumpets squarely at the federal government, and also noted a shoddy legal defense:
During a hearing in Seattle before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the harsh skepticism long focused on Safouh Hamoui -- a former Syrian pilot who came to this country in 1992 -- suddenly shifted to the government.

The three-judge panel blasted the Justice Department's handling of the immigration case and openly supported key contentions being raised by Hamoui's new lawyers.

The panel said it was clear that Hamoui had not received competent legal assistance. The appeals court also indicated that the Board of Immigration Appeals should have considered testimony outlining the dangers the Hamoui family faces if returned to Syria.

The bureau also misapplied the standard for "likely fear of torture" as outlined by the International Convention Against Torture, the appeals panel said.

Afterward, Justice Department lawyer Andrew MacLachlan had little to say.

"It was a good dialogue with the court," he said. (8)
And you know, the rest of the links are yours to read or not. They're mostly for your information if you're so inclined. The P-I has been vocal on the Hamoui story ... pretty much the entire time.

I'm of the opinion that this is one of the travesties of our War on Terror. These articles, of course, speak rather quite ill of the Syrian government, but hey, the US is following all manner of tyrant down the road to nowhere. I mean, the US government, especially in the PNAC age, ought to be waving this guy around like a banner--rubbing Syria's nose in it. And, yes, Clinton well could have done that nose-rubbing if he wanted to, but at least he didn't try to deport the guy in a panicked reaction to terrorism.

Yes. Sometimes we must challenge our own the rules if it's what's best for human beings. Mr. Jamieson's article opens with a simple question: "Rules are rules, but sometimes they should be broken, right?"

Well ... yes. Not all rules are good rules. Sometimes rules do the wrong thing. In an age when politicians live by broken rules, Yes, we can occasionally accommodate specific needs for the right reasons.

And so finds our Ninth Circuit.

The Hamoui family's case is one of the more powerful dramas of our War on Terror. Self-sufficient, respectably conducted in the community, family-oriented ... these are the sorts of people we should want to bring to this country. I'm all for the poor, the tired, the huddled masses, but I tend to think that when you get right down to "political reality," people with the apparent qualities of the Hamoui family who also happen to feel as if they're on the run from a regime your government doesn't like . . . .

What? What am I missing?

Oh, yeah.

Knee.

Jerk.

On the east coast, where the sun rises, we have a statue that symbolically welcomes those who come to the United States with hopes for the future. And if they have to run all the way out here to the sunset before they can find Justice in America, then so be it.

And this on a waxing moon . . . .
 
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Starbucks & Sedition

Your War on Terror: "Party at Don's"?!
Directions to Rummy's found at Starbucks

Wouldn't you? Or, at least, wouldn't you pause to think about it? If you found, sitting on a table in Starbuck's, handwritten directions to some famous person's house, wouldn't you think about publishing it on the web, or distributing "Party at Don's house!" flyers?

Well, one citizen didn't go so far as that, but rather handed over some notes discovered in a DC-area Starbucks, including a pencil-drawn map from the Pentagon to Donald Rumsfeld's house, to the Center for American Progress, another useless left-wing policy think tank.
"Our plan had military plans to attack Al Q -- called on def to draw up targets in Afg -- develop mil options."

There's an underlined notation "DR" in the margin and a quotation, apparently from DR, perhaps Rumsfeld, to "Stay inside the line -- we dont need 2 ruff [or puff] this at all. we need 2b careful as hell about it. This thing will go away soon and what will keep it alive will be one of us going over the line" . . . .

. . . . The CAP folks have been having so much fun with this, they've taken to providing answers for the "Possible Q's." For example, in answer to the question, "Why did the Administration think it had 7 months to develop policy?" the CAP people offer: "We made a point of ignoring as long as possible anything that was recommended to us by the Clinton Administration."
(Washington Post)
What's odd is that the first thing I thought was, "What will Franken say?" What? It's like T-minus six minutes to "Morning Sedition" time as I write this. Might as well give it a listen.

But how's this administration on security? Someone's gonna be fired, that's for sure.
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• Kamen, Al. "Note to Eric: U Need 2B More Careful." Washington Post, March 31, 2004; page A23. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37321-2004Mar30.html
 
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"The Bush administration has scuttled a plan to increase by 50 percent the number of criminal financial investigators working to disrupt the finances of Al Qaeda, Hamas and other terrorist organizations to save $12 million, a Congressional hearing was told on Tuesday." - NYT 03-31-04

"Four Americans were attacked and their bodies subjected to barbaric maltreatment. The acts we have seen were despicable and inexcusable," he said. "They violate the tenets of all religions including Islam as one of the foundations of civilized society... Their deaths will not go unpunished." -Viceroy Bremer 04-01-03

The present American administration prefers retaliation and escalation to intelligence. This is a leading reason why the War on Terror is having devastating results while terrorist groups are diversifying and growing.
 
PM,

Last time I checked, the EXTREMISTS in IRAN booted out all of the Legitimate MODERATES in their govt. The EXTREMISTS fixed the Elections. So your 'fix it' theory is CRAP.

And on another note: Has a terrorist group ever WON? NOPE. Why? Because they are nothing but an extremely small group of individuals who use fear to try to force the general public to accept their demands. If youre so concerned about the WEST's 'hatred', then maybe Muslims should stop flying planes into buildings and blowing up buses. Its bad for public relations.
What you need PM is a revolution. But it takes a massive amount of support for that, something which your extemist views will never have.
 
Considering the fundamentalist revolution that occured in Iran subsequent to US "nation building" there, discounting the potential for further fundamentalist revolutions is questionable.
 
hype,

The revolution in Iran was our fault. I can admit to that.
However, as we have seen, the Extremists are no longer supported by the population. They have become what they replaced.
 
In any desperate times anywhere, locals will always blame outsiders first. Whatever becomes of Iraq, America will be blamed by most local and regional Arabs, far more than will be Saddam Hussein, the Ba'ath Party, Sectarian fighting, shadowy "insurgents", "terrorists", or any Iraqi or Arab contributors to the increasingly likely civil war ahead. Even without justification, of which there is plenty (considering the invasion was entirely elective for the US) Americans will be blamed for the death of Iraq.

Iraqi trust for the USA is now extremely precarious, and is the most decisive factor in what is going to transpire in the near future. Without a rapid, massive and genuine transition to international peacekeepers, and without a bona-fide Iraqi government that can bind a fractious, destroyed country into one again, Iraqi trust in America will continue to erode.

At the breaking point, the collapse is likely to be very sudden, much like the collapse of the Ba'athists, with collaborators under dire threat of retribution, and sectarian fighting on at least 3 sides. US policymakers lack the nuance and subtlety that would be the only way to encourage a viable government to form that is not perceived as a puppet regime.

Of course Iraqis do not wish for civil war. Neither did the Lebanese. But when outside influences create a power vacuum, and fail to install a legitimate replacement, things can spin out of control very suddenly. The last fleeting expression if Iraqi nationalism could easily expend itself in a last spasm to expel Americans, and at such a juncture US firepower, however escalated, will be helpless to regain control of the situation.

The occupation is already hopelessly muddled with many other issues including the Arab-Israeli conflict, the "War on Terror", Ahmed Chalabi (and other mistrusted exile leaders), and the tenuous shift of balance between Sunni, Shia, and Kurds, and Chaldeans. Considering these divisive factors along with gathering disillusion with US occupiers, the chances for any lasting government created by any process under US occupation is, tragically, very remote. The PNAC dream of Arab receptivity to American-sponsored self-government has already run aground.

Because the US will increasingly receive the blame, it is becoming politically impossible for the US to forge a viable Iraq from a unilateralist, interventionist base. The present coalition is widely perceived as a meaningless fig-leaf. Unless elections somehow bring a sea-change in Iraqi security, the resulting government will also lack legitimacy. The only sure chance for averting an increasingly likely cataclysm is for the peacekeeping/occupation/transition to be de-Americanized as rapidly as possible. Presently, there is no evidence of a concrete plan to do this, which will be another heavy burden of blame for American leaders who commited forces while lacking fundamental understanding of the implications.

Where the blame for all this agony will fall at every downturn is the single most pivotal issue in Iraq's future, and the die is already cast.
 
Sierra Club - "The Cost of Doing Business"
US firm accused of giving aid to terrorists

A former project manager for Echo Bay Mines has stated, and claims to have documentation to demonstrate, that his company paid as much as US$1.7 million to Filipino "terrorists," including some with connections to Abu Sayyaf and al Qaeda.

Allan Laird claims to have approached the Department of Homeland Security, but to on avail. According to Sierra magazine, two former executives of the now-defunct Denver, Colorado company have confirmed that Laird did send "alarming updates and queries from the Philippines," and was trying to follow a money trail . . . .

Oh, hell ... just do the reading. One note is that Echo Bay was purchased by Kinross Gold Corporation, of Canada, in 2003. Kinross officials say they had no knowledge of the payments.


Notes:

• Associated Press. "Ex=worker says mine gave aid to terrorists." April 17, 2004. See http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2511366
• Berlin Snell, Marilyn. "The Cost of Doing Business." Sierra Magazine, March/April, 2004. See http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200405/terrorism/

See Also:

• Kinross Gold Corporation. See http://www.kinross.com/
 
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