Demanding they cater to Israel's wishes is getting involved in talks for an independent Palestine?
World may back [Israel in] Iran op as part of deal [with palestinians]
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Buffalo Roam
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pj, it was the Palestinians who were catered to, they recieved 95% of their demands, and that would have included a Palestinian State, but they walked away from it because it also included a Israeli State.
Bullshit they were catered too. They still had to have Israel controlling things in their land. Even as bad as a deal it was they still kept it and Israel broke it. They got none of their land back that Israel took pre 67. and imcomplete control over the land they were allowed to keep that's hardly catering to a people that want their land and rights.
No. It takes two to tango.
(http://www.mideastweb.org/oslofailed.htm)
If Israel is sincere about peace, it can be achieved. But they are far too busy fretting about Iran to look after their own back yard.
Buffalo Roam
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Yes, and it was the Palestinians who refuse, not the Israelis.
Well how about the fact that Iran have their fingers in Israel's problems with the Arabs of Gaza?
The wisest course is to take out the problem at the source, and the source of a lot of problems in the Middle East is Iranian Adventurism with the objective of establishing a new Persian Hegemony, or if you read Ahmadinejad's ranting's, to bring about the return of "The Guided One." the Hidden Imam, and the end times.
I find it funny that the Arabs have now figured out that supporting the Arabs of Gaza isn't a productive activity, but the Persians who have ambitions are using the Arabs of Gaza to further their own ambition.
When are the Arabs of Palestine going to wake up and stop being the pawns of first the Arabs, and now the Iranians?
Do you really think that the Persians of Iran, have any real interest in the plight of the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank beyond their value to advance Iranian ambition?
This is one the most commonly spread lies concerning the Oslo records and the following (Taba and Camp David) negotiations. Ask Shlomo Ben Ami if you dont take my word for it. In fact, he rather reluctantly admits that Israel sponsored anti-democratic tendencies in palestine dragged Arafat back in to the negotiation even if he wasnt the official representative of palestinians anymore.
youtube.com/watch?v=h-FLIBkTg8g
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Incorrect, again.
Pardon me, I just fell off the chair in a fit of laughter.
You don`t think, just for a split millisecond, that this "adventurism" (perception) is a reaction to unbridled US military adventurism, if not total onslaught against the Muslim ME, and which is the MAIN cause of problems?No, to further the ambitions of Arabs and Muslims in the ME as a whole, and AGAINST the American oppression..
They are not sleeping, they are trying to escape the imprisonment that the Israelis impose on them.
Do you really think The Americans of the US have any real interest in the plight of the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran, beyond oil and military/strategic/economic hegemony?
Yeah, we want the men to quit wearing dresses like women!! It's shameful for men to walk around in public wearing dresses.
Baron Max
More evidence of how lies and hypocrisy work for the Israelis in the world theater
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1102793.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1102793.html
Well, violent, bloody acts of terrorism, and outlandish propaganda works for the Pals, so what's the difference?
How long should the Palestinians fight for what they perceive as their homeland? 100 years? 200 years? 1,000 years? Until all of the Palestinians are dead from the fighting? How long should the Pals drag their families, women and children, through such violent existences?
Baron Max
The problem with laying down arms in front of the Zionists is they will then drive their bulldozers over you. Ask Rachel Corrie. Ask the nonviolent protestors of Bilin.
As long as it takes, of course. There is no negotiating your childrens future sans liberty.
The surest test of a man is how he treats his own. The Zionists have made themselves heirs of the holocaust through monuments and museums, but they make the survivors live on dog food.
Depends. You would have to ignore the other 30 countries that have no oil in which the US provides aid in 2010 alone.
Out of the goodness of their hearts eh?
(http://www.globalissues.org/article...foreignpolicytooltoaidthedonornottherecipient)
Buffalo Roam
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Out of the goodness of their hearts eh?
(http://www.globalissues.org/article...foreignpolicytooltoaidthedonornottherecipient)
No, no country operates that way, what is done is always in the best perceived interest of said country, every country in the world with foreign policies.
But as a fact the American Citizen, gives more in personnel donations around the world than any other country in the world, any 3 countries, and all of the Muslim countries combined during the India Ocean Tsunami in 2004.
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I can well believe that, Americans are a generous people. Now when are one of those folk going to get into the White House?
Buffalo Roam
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They did, George, sent massive U.S. aid to the reagon.
Must have been his wife's nagging.
You're so thick I dunno if you're just trying to provoke for the fun of it. 30% of all US foreign aid goes *suprise* to Israel. Most of it of course (over 50%) is for food and proper education both of which the miserable Israelis lack so desperetely.
ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html
ifamericansknew.org/stats/114bill.html
Despite of the generous funding for Israel US comes short by achieving only 30% of internationally agreed and set target of 0.7% CNI and is placed 22. falling behind New Zealand, Greece, Italy and Japan. This of course wouldnt be the case if all aid to Israel would be included in this chart as then US would be not only achieve but exceed the set target by nearly one and half.
globalissues.org/article/35/us-and-foreign-aid-assistance#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs
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