Woody Allen

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valentino

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I'm in love with this man, he is so intelligent and creepy.
For example:

The baby is fine. The only problem is that he looks like Edward G. Robinson.

I'm astounded by people who want to 'know' the universe when it's so hard to find your way around Chinatown.

How can I believe in God when only last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter?

I'm not sure though if I want to be his concubine, or him.
 
Woody Allen is the single most brilliant screenwriter/playwright of the latter half of this century. If you enjoy his films, read his plays and his books. I particularily advise the play God, probably my favourite philosophical work of his.

"I'm astounded by people who want to 'know' the universe when it's so hard to find your way around Chinatown.

How can I believe in God when only last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter?"

Both of these lines are from his books, not his movies or plays. If you like stuff like that - go buy the books. They're hard to find, but worth it.
 
Nobody said those were movie lines...
Anyway tody was great, after I got done watching Annie Hall I was flipping throught the channels and Play It Again Sam was on AMC! I flipped out crazy and did the jiggy dance.
 
True. But a lot of Woody fans have a tendancy to search the internet for quotes as he's so good at the one-liners. And I think it's a shame that people don't read the whole books around them.

Like I've said, his play God is probably his best work. But how many Woody fans have read it?
 
:(Getting his stuff is hard for me because I don't by stuff on the net. I've managed by scrounging around old bookstores to get Without Feathers, Side Effects, and Getting Even. Hopefully I will be able to locate some more of his stuff eventually. Is God sold on it's own or part of a compilation work?
 
God is a play published along with Without Feathers. At least, it's in my version (which is an original printing).
 
Originally posted by valentino
...he is so intelligent and creepy.
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Woody Allen is a classic example of what has been called "defining deviancy down". He has
always scoffed at any moral code of conduct other than his own hedonistic, self-indulgent lifestyle.

IMHO, of course.

:m: Peace.
 
Originally posted by Tyler
God is a play published along with Without Feathers. At least, it's in my version (which is an original printing).
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Okay, I've read it then. I'm no good with names, one of those "what's that movie with the guy from that old tv show with the squirrel?" type of people. That is a great play, I agree.
 
A man who marries his stepdaughter can be as brilliant in his writings as he wants. It does not change the fact that he is a sick bastard, and in that respect he has lost all respect....at lest from the part of the humanity that still has some common sense left.
Praising him for his works is like praising Gary Glitter, or any other pedofile for their choice of carreer. They simply don't deserve it.
 
Why is it sick? Is it against the law? Which moral code do you live by? Where can I find this "common sense" book you refere to? Thanks.
 
You know, I was hoping this would come up so I could get very angry.


"A man who marries his stepdaughter"

You ignorant fool. He didn't marry his stepdaughter. Unfortunatly, you believe things you hear without actually looking into them.

Mia Farrow adopted Soon-Yi with a previous husband (Andre Previn). Woody didn't meet Soon-Yi until she was well an adult. On top of that, he and Mia never actually married. Allen had no part in raising her. Sadly, Beb, many folk believe the same thing you do.

Now, on top of this, I have a question for you. Do you listen to The Beatles? I seem to recall you once saying you were something of a fan, no?

You know John Lennon took a year of leave from Yoko Ono to more or less go on a heroin and various other drug binge while fucking every woman he ran across? So I guess if you're against what Woody did you must surely be against liking The Beatles or Lennon's solo work, hmmm?

And fuck, Picasso married a woman 70 years younger than him. That seems a little odd, no?


"and in that respect he has lost all respect....at lest from the part of the humanity that still has some common sense left"

Thankfully, some of society is still capable of thinking beyond it's own little narrow moral corner of the world. And a few of us are actually capable of finding out the whole story before passing judgement.
 
"He has always scoffed at any moral code of conduct other than his own hedonistic, self-indulgent lifestyle."

I think Woody would argue that he's more incapable of appreciating other moral codes than he is against doing so. Having read his books (and obviously seen almost all his films - which is a hell of a lot of films) I think he consciously is able to look at other moral systems, other philosophies and understand perfectly what the logic is behind them - he just can't accept it deep down. I can liken this to one aspect of my life that perhaps you experienced while younger, too, Goofy.

When I sit in class and a concept is brought up with a logical proof behind it, inevitably a few students will not understand the logical flow. It often takes a good 4-6 explinations to get it through the students head. Generally, like most students I understand it off the bat. When a few of them don't grasp the logic it makes me extremely confused. I know consciously that some people can't make the logical connections as fast as other, I just am not able to understand and accept how everyone is not at least as good as me at these things. I'm very bad at explaining things for this very reason, I expect everyone to be at least at my level.

Woody, I believe, can logically accept that people have different systems and beliefs. He's just unable to truly grasp the concept of logic outside his own. He can process, just not necessarily accept.


"That is a great play, I agree."

Without Feathers has two plays - Death and God. God is the one that deals with an ancient Greek playwright. Hands down Woody's best.
 
Well Tyler, I don't think you have any facts straight about Woody Allen either, unless you are a very close freind to him, well not even then would you know the whole truth.
So the incident when the girl was about 12 and they were in the library and he was having his head buried in her lap is just false because you don't believe it happened?
I don't care how many women Lennon had sex with, from what I know they weren't children anyway, as they apparently are in Woodys case.

A4ever....come on, you don't think marrying a stepdaughter is sick? Oh wait, you're from Australia right, where inbreeding is what keeps the country alive...:D
 
I am not from Australia. You confuse me with your biggest fan, the newspaper boy :D

It wasn't his stepdaughter. You can not mary your stepdaughter.
 
"So the incident when the girl was about 12 and they were in the library and he was having his head buried in her lap is just false because you don't believe it happened"

Er.....
That was claimed as truth by a number of tabloids after Mia Farrow stated that she suspected Woody hit on another one of her adopted children.

Again, Beb - get your facts straight.


"I don't care how many women Lennon had sex with, from what I know they weren't children anyway, as they apparently are in Woodys case"

I'm glad you believe everything you hear. I'm a little more capable of realizing that when a woman who's just suffered great pain because her boyfriend of quite some time has broken up with her to be with her adopted daughter claims she suspects something....it ain't the most reliable source.

If he'd slept with a 12 year old he would have been arrested. Fuck, if he touched her shoulder and she said no he could be arrested.


"come on, you don't think marrying a stepdaughter is sick?"

1) Not his stepdaughter
2) What's sick about what Woody did with Soon-Yi?
3) What would be sick about marrying your step-daughter?


It seems, Beb, you are unable to seperate the art from the person. You are unable to appreciate Woody because you (falsely) think he did something that goes against your moral system. How very sad.
 
Yes, how very sad. You believe he is a saint and I don't. Maybe the truth is somewhere in between. Or have you secretly videotaped his entire life, so you have....PROOF? :D

Btw, I don't think Mia Farrow is unreliable at all, I rather believe her than Woody anytime, but I guess that's just a matter of choice.
She is after all a woman, as in superior...just teasing.
But if you look at how he portrats himself in all of his movies, it should give some hints about what kind of personality he's got...and I don't find it very appealing, more appauling.

I mean, how can you tell me to get the facts straight when there is no way of really knowing what the facts are?
 
"Yes, how very sad. You believe he is a saint and I don't"

What on earth makes you think I believe he is a saint?


"Maybe the truth is somewhere in between."

Or maybe no one has any proof of anything?


"I rather believe her than Woody anytime, but I guess that's just a matter of choice."

Amazing that you pass judgement on a person's reliability without knowing them, eh? I only commented on the fact that Mia was greatly hurt by Woody and people tend to, well, say things when they've been hurt.


"But if you look at how he portrats himself in all of his movies, it should give some hints about what kind of personality he's got...and I don't find it very appealing, more appauling"

So you don't like who he is therefore you believe what bad is said about him with no proof to back it. You're a smart cookie.


"I mean, how can you tell me to get the facts straight when there is no way of really knowing what the facts are?"

I know that I don't believe Woody Allen married his stepdaughter when (a) he has no stepdaughter (b) he never married Mia Farrow and (c) there was never a shred of evidence that he ever did anything with anyone underage

All that happened was that Mia said she suspected Woody hit on another one of her stepdaughters. The girl denied it.

So you believe an empty accusation with no proof that the important party involved denies ever happened, Beb? I thought you at least had some logical abilities.
 
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You don't have to be married to have a stepdaughter, it's enough to have a longterm relationship with the girls mother, which was the case here.
I very much doubt that Woody just all of sudden fell in love with his adult? stepdaughter, it must have been going on for a while. And most children who have been sexually abused do deny it.

I'm glad you discovered I'm a smart cookie and that it is very possible to form a realistic opinion of a persons character by beholding what the person does and sais and how he portraits himself in his own films.

To change my opinion of Woody I would have to talk to Soon-Yi personally. But I guess daddy...Woody would not allow that.

 
"You don't have to be married to have a stepdaughter"

I suggest you learn law a little better. Unless it's common-law marriage that's exactly what you have to be.


"I very much doubt that Woody just all of sudden fell in love with his adult? stepdaughter"

They didnt' fall in love and then Woody left Mia. Woody left Mia during the beginning of his relationship with Soon-Yi.


"And most children who have been sexually abused do deny it."

Nice try, but that's not evidence at all.
Mia had no proof. She just believed Woody hit on the girl. The girl told Mia Woody had not. Mia never pressed the issue. Why? Because there was no reason to believe Woody had done anything.


"that it is very possible to form a realistic opinion of a persons character by beholding what the person does and sais"

So then I take it you've read his autobiographical works? I mean, I wouldn't pass too much of a judgement on someone until I understood them.


"To change my opinion of Woody I would have to talk to Soon-Yi personally"

Let me get this straight...
So you're willing to think someone is "bad" because of a single accusation made once by one individual but to think someone is "good" you would have to talk to their wife personally?
 
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