Mind Over Matter
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Split: Wisdom 2
EDIT: I was suppose to post this in "Who come first the theist or the atheist" thread, to establish that when the Bible was written it addresses atheism already. And I wanted to talk about back in the day it seems that there was a plethora of god's and the vast majority, if not all people had some belief in a god or gods. Plus, as I recall the term "god" was not always restricted in the way that that it is today. Even certain men were sometimes referred to as "gods" (using whatever ancient term/language that was appropriate).
So this got me wondering if there is anything in the bible that seems directed specifically at those who believe in no god what-so-ever until I have read Wisdom 2. (I don't refer to references to "non-believers" since most "pagans" would be labelled non-believers by the Jews and early Christians..)
But I didn't want to take the topic of that thread too far afield so I started one here.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/wisdom/wisdom2.htm
I'd like to share this quote of Wisdom 2 that directly address atheism.
[1] For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves,
"Short and sorrowful is our life,
and there is no remedy when a man comes to his end,
and no one has been known to return from Hades.
(speaks of people who do not believe in an afterlife)
[2] Because we were born by mere chance,
(Darwinism)
and hereafter we shall be as though we had never been;
(Belief in nothingness after death)
because the breath in our nostrils is smoke,
and reason is a spark kindled by the beating of our hearts.
(Materialism - because this part of the verse suggests that our very reason is a biological byproduct)
[3] When it is extinguished, the body will turn to ashes,
and the spirit will dissolve like empty air.
(Again, nothingness after death)
EDIT: I was suppose to post this in "Who come first the theist or the atheist" thread, to establish that when the Bible was written it addresses atheism already. And I wanted to talk about back in the day it seems that there was a plethora of god's and the vast majority, if not all people had some belief in a god or gods. Plus, as I recall the term "god" was not always restricted in the way that that it is today. Even certain men were sometimes referred to as "gods" (using whatever ancient term/language that was appropriate).
So this got me wondering if there is anything in the bible that seems directed specifically at those who believe in no god what-so-ever until I have read Wisdom 2. (I don't refer to references to "non-believers" since most "pagans" would be labelled non-believers by the Jews and early Christians..)
But I didn't want to take the topic of that thread too far afield so I started one here.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/wisdom/wisdom2.htm
I'd like to share this quote of Wisdom 2 that directly address atheism.
[1] For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves,
"Short and sorrowful is our life,
and there is no remedy when a man comes to his end,
and no one has been known to return from Hades.
(speaks of people who do not believe in an afterlife)
[2] Because we were born by mere chance,
(Darwinism)
and hereafter we shall be as though we had never been;
(Belief in nothingness after death)
because the breath in our nostrils is smoke,
and reason is a spark kindled by the beating of our hearts.
(Materialism - because this part of the verse suggests that our very reason is a biological byproduct)
[3] When it is extinguished, the body will turn to ashes,
and the spirit will dissolve like empty air.
(Again, nothingness after death)
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