Why they hate us

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Fraggle Rocker

Staff member
From Liberty Magazine, August 2006
by Tim Slagle

It's strange. Canadians have nationalized health care, a generous welfare system, and few Fortune 500 corporations. They refused to support the war in Iraq. I don't think Canada gives any aid to Israel. And yet, fundamentalist Muslims still wanted to attack the country.

I hope this is a wake-up call for the "why do they hate us?" crowd. What angers fundamentalist Muslims about the U.S. isn't our foreign policy, or our loathing of socialism, or our election of President Bush. It's that the American and Canadian governments refuse to force women into burqas, or men to kneel down on rugs five times a day. In the U.S. and Canada, we allow people to worship any god they choose, and publish any book, no matter how blasphemous.

The war against the Western infidels is not against capitalism, corporations, Israel, or the military-industrial complex. It is a war against basic freedoms--the same ones that the "why do they hate us?" crowd claim to cherish so much.
 
That's complete tripe, Fraggle straight from Karl Rove talking points. Muslim fanatics such as al-Qaeda have long been clearly spelling out their grievances (link}:

Unlike what Bush says, that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example…. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours... The incidents that affected me directly go back to 1982 and afterward, when America allowed Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the help of the American 6th Fleet… As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.
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Could you please link the threats on Canada? I have been unaware of them.
 
Well I suppose the Lebanese Muslims are now going to attack the US because their Islamic way of life has been replaced by the "birth pangs of the new Middle East".

Really, Fraggle, you have a blind spot where Muslim fundamentalists are concerned.
 
I don't think it is cut and dried. there are many who have legitimate reasons for disliking the US, but I think most pick-and-choose what they dislike. its not like changing anything will make them all be like "ohh, ok America is cool now." it will take a long time before they stop hating us.
 
hypewaders said:
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I think you link/ reference is quite accurate except for:

"Al Qaeda rarely, if ever, synchronizes its assaults with a particular event such as an election or symbolic date."

Few in American know that 9/11 was already a well known “infamous date.” That was the day the CIA destroyed democracy in Chile, by killing the openly Marxist, but democratically elected president. The CIA supported replacement government, murdered, usually by months of torture, at least ten times more* people than were killed in NYC in a less than an hour on 9/11. That date could have just been chance, but the odds against it being only chance are 365 to 1.

I think the point of choosing the 9/11 date was to show that the CIA can not just kill democratically elected presidents that lean to left, resist the US dominance, etc. and expect that nothing will ever be done about it.
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*No one knows the total. Several times the 9/11 total of deaths were simply drugged and dropped alive into the sea, using the helicopters the CIA supplied. They are generally referred to as “the disappeared.” On Sundays, some of their mothers still stand silently in the public squares. The current president of Chile’s father was among those tortured to death. In ignorance of this and many other things, Americans wonder why much of the world hates the US. - This is a small part of why.
 
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Fraggle Rocker said:
From Liberty
It's strange. Canadians have nationalized health care, a generous welfare system, and few Fortune 500 corporations. They refused to support the war in Iraq. I don't think Canada gives any aid to Israel. And yet, fundamentalist Muslims still wanted to attack the country.
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Canadas military is fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan however, alongside US troops.
 
Billy T -

I'm in need of some education here. I thought Los Desaparecidos were in Argentina, killed by the Argentine military (by helicopter drop technique as you mentioned). Is this another group, and if so, was it by the Chilean military with CIA support, or directly by CIA-funded operatives? This is not well known in the US. When did this take place, etc. Is it at all directly related to the Argentine massacre.
 
Carcano said:
Canadas military is fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan however, alongside US troops.
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this is because if even a single part of the official september 11 story is true, it is a justified war.

however, more and more evidence is being uncovered to show that the official story is complete rubbish.
 
Billy T said:
The current president of Chile’s father was among those tortured to death. In ignorance of this and many other things, Americans wonder why much of the world hates the US. - This is a small part of why.
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And it because a few honourable Americans are aware of this and are prepared to remind or teach the others of these facts that some of us in the rest of the world still have cause for hope.
Thank you.
 
No-one outside of the US is very keen on the US. That's the truth, Ruth.

I wouldn't bomb you though.
 
hypewaders said:
Could you please link the threats on Canada? I have been unaware of them.
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It was at the very beginning of June. They caught some guys planning to bomb buildings in Toronto, with materials to do it. Stories like this make the front page here in Washington DC, just across the river from the Pentagon 9/11 site in Virginia. I'm surprised it blew over so fast elsewhere.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/04/canada.terror/index.html
samcdkey said:
Really, Fraggle, you have a blind spot where Muslim fundamentalists are concerned.
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No. It's a highly sensitive radar gun and it picks up all the followers of Abraham.

Every few generations one of the monotheistic, patriarchal religions, which keep metastasizing out of the Middle East like a cancer epidemic, goes on a rampage. Last time it was Christians in Germany. Muslims and Christians have obliterated three entire civilizations (Egypt, Olmec, Inca), the most unforgivable sin.

I am particularly alarmed by the violent, fundamentalist fringe of Islam because they have become textbook cases of clinically sociopathic. They truly believe that life in what to most of us is the real world is unimportant. And they would cheer the downfall of civlization and a return to the Neolithic because people who are obsessed with survival are more easily converted to religion.

I am not blind. I have a deep historical perspective on this and it scares the crap out of me.
 
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Fraggle Rocker said:
I am particularly alarmed by the violent, fundamentalist fringe of Islam because they have become textbook cases of clinically sociopathic.
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How?

They truly believe that life in what to most of us is the real world is unimportant.
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I doubt that is their motivation, though it does mean that they are not afraid to die.

And they would cheer the downfall of civlization and a return to the Neolithic because people who are obsessed with survival are more easily converted to religion.
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Thats an overstatement, in my opinion. Who has been converted by a fundamentalist?

I am not blind. I have a deep historical perspective on this and it scares the crap out of me.
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I think you should be more concerned about the circumstances that give power to these fringe elements.
 
Sam do you realize that the people that you defend would keep you from following your medical career, that they would cut you off from your computer, and silence you from the world, and the world from the world, how many children would die under the enlightened ideas of medical care?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Sam do you realize that the people that you defend ......etc?
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Sam will doubtless correct me if I am mistaken, but she does not appear to be defending the fundamentalists. She is objecting to the process of placing all followers of Islam in the same category as the fundamentalists. This strikes me as an imminently sane objection to make.

A knee-jerk, reactionary, narrow minded, bigoted, predjudiced, thoughtless, uninformed, ignorant, insensitive, blighted perspective might cause one to reach a different conclusion. Do you reach a different conclusion Buffalo?
 
Ophiolite said:
Sam will doubtless correct me if I am mistaken, but she does not appear to be defending the fundamentalists. She is objecting to the process of placing all followers of Islam in the same category as the fundamentalists. This strikes me as an imminently sane objection to make.

A knee-jerk, reactionary, narrow minded, bigoted, predjudiced, thoughtless, uninformed, ignorant, insensitive, blighted perspective might cause one to reach a different conclusion. Do you reach a different conclusion Buffalo?
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I've given up on Buffalo; he sees everything through GWB-colored glasses :D
 
But all to often in her defense of the rest of the followers of Allah she ends up justifying the extremist, where are the endless post on the things that Hezbullah, Hamas, Fatah, the P.A. has committed, the children that they have killed after they have signed a peace treaty, or a cease fire, after Israel has given up land or the never fulfilled promise of peace, the Arab use of their children as guided bombs, the terrorist putting their fighting positions in their on homes, launching rocket from their own back yard with their families on the target with them, and then using their own dead children and wives as propaganda to try to put the fault with their enemies, which end up being anyone who doesn't believe in their exact interpretation of the Koran, and there fore should be relieved of their apostate, non- believer, worthless life.
 
This is a poem written by an Iraqi exile living in Canada:


The Birth Pangs of a New Middle East (A Poem)
By Nesreen Melek
Aug 6, 2006, 01:26


The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
Yet Abeer's voice will be heard
"I was fifteen when the American soldiers took turns and raped me."
"They burned my body, shot my parents to cover up their acts."
Another voice will be heard "who will revenge for the rape and the killing?"

The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
Ali will not be able to write the chapters of the history book
His limbs were amputated in the name of democracy
A voice will be heard "who will revenge for destroying Ali's future and the future of other children?"

The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
Children from Israel wrote notes on rockets which were sent to kill the Lebanese children.
The corpses of the Lebanese children are resting in plastic bags ready to be buried in mass graves.
A voice will be heard "what is the difference between Arab children and other children all over the world?"

The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
People in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine will remember the killers.
The scars will stay on their bodies and hearts in case they will forget.
A voice will be heard "we will never forget their atrocities and we will never forgive"

The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
Arabs are seeking refuge in other countries as their countries are destroyed.
But when they will blow themselves taking their lives and others
they would be called terrorists.
A voice will be heard "what would we call their atrocities against Arabs?"

The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
Palm trees in Iraq are burned, Olive trees in Palestine are cut, Magnolia and Jasmine bushes in Lebanon are burned.
The bombing and the killing will continue.
And the fertile soil will be saturated with blood.
A voice will be heard "will there be an end to their hatred"

The world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East"
Hatred, anger, despair and agony will be flourishing in the heart of Arabs.
But it will be too late for the killers to ask "why do they hate us"

© Copyright 2006 by AxisofLogic.com
 
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Sam form your poem, I guess I need to learn to hate all moslams, I need to revive the blood feud, and forever after remember every insult and injury against all of my race, the Arabs always cry havoc and loose the dogs of war because they never face their own contributions to the never ending blood price demanded for any perceived insult, and they will never settle for even.
 
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