Why police detectives and the FBI consult psychics

[Magical Realist]

LOL! Wrapped in a tarp, near a body of water, in a shallow grave. That only describes 85% of dead body locations.

That's not all she pinpointed and you know it. Research the facts on the case before making irrelevant quips.

 

[Magical Realist]

What will it take to brang psychics out of the shadows... to be considered respectable enuff that police woud not be embrrassed to publically work wit them to solve crime.???

I have no idea...

 

[Balerion]

That's not all she pinpointed and you know it. Research the facts on the case before making irrelevant quips.

You're full of shit, as usual.

 

[Magical Realist]

Plugging your ears and stamping your feet doesn't make it so. People have gone above and beyond to refute your claims, and you've demonstrated no ability to comprehend, and no willingness to learn. In other words, they've already undermined your position through arugment, and you malign yourself by acting like an idiot in response. Pointing this out is not an insult.

Oh DO remind then. Where was it exactly was it you refuted the 81 cases of psychics helping solve crimes? Which post was it? Where was I stomping my feet, once again another accusation of childishness? What was it I failed to comprehend? Another accusation of stupidity. I guess my memory's fail'n me. lol!

 

[Russ_Watters]

KVOA Tucson
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4368953&nav=menu216_18_1_11

Lupita Murillo Reports

Psychics described murder victim's whereabouts days after disappearance

But clearly not well enough to help find the victim.

"In a TV interview, Mary Ann Morgan predicted a year ago that Loretta Bowersock would be found by two hikers.

Not "two" hikers, just "some hikers". A pretty safe bet considering the police hadn't been able to find her.

Morgan had also predicted, "I got a lot of other information that Loretta was asphyxiated or smothered.

Except that she didn't:

If you were watching, and much of Arizona was watching be-cause the announcement came in the midst of the evening newscast, you saw her flinch in pain as an officer announced the cause of death. Terri had always believed the psychics who'd predicted that her mother was hit over the head and died instantly, never knowing what had happened and never feeling any pain. "That really got me," she admits.

Inside the Florence stationhouse, Terri looked for some reassurance from the officers. "Suffocation. That's quick, right?"

If ever there were a time to be merciful and lie, this would have been one of those times. But the Florence police officers told the truth - it takes an eternity to enter eternity when you're being smothered. Four or five minutes, maybe, and all the while, there's no air; all the while, the victim knows she's dying; and all the while, she's looking at her murderer. It's an agonizing death. It's a torment that Terri will have to live with for the rest of her life.

http://www.janabommersbach.com/pm-fea-apr06-1.php

That's part of the technique: if you tell people things they want to hear, they are more likely to believe you and keep consulting you.

That information was confirmed by police when Bowersock's remains were found.

Well, it's your claim, so I'll leave it to you to sort out the discrepancy.

Pacheco says, "It's not something we use in the police department, however, we're not going to overlook it either."

Quite the ringing endorsement!

 

[Magical Realist]

You're full of shit, as usual.

Reported...

 

[Balerion]

Oh DO remind then. Where was it exactly was it you refuted the 81 cases of psychics helping solve crimes? Which post was it? Where was I stomping my feet, once again another accusation of childishness? What was it I failed to comprehend? Another accusation of stupidity. I guess my memory's fail'n me. lol!

Something's failing you! LOL!

 

[Balerion]

Reported...

"Mommy! They're being mean to me!"

 

[Russ_Watters]

Oh DO remind then. Where was it exactly was it you refuted the 81 cases of psychics helping solve crimes? Which post was it? Where was I stomping my feet, once again another accusation of childishness? What was it I failed to comprehend? Another accusation of stupidity. I guess my memory's fail'n me. lol!

It isn't your memory that is failing you.

It isn't on us to prove all 81 wrong, it is on you to prove at least one right. So far none can be proven right and many have proven wrong.

 

[Magical Realist]

Morgan had also predicted, "I got a lot of other information that Loretta was asphyxiated or smothered.

Except that she didn't:




If you were watching, and much of Arizona was watching be-cause the announcement came in the midst of the evening newscast, you saw her flinch in pain as an officer announced the cause of death. Terri had always believed the psychics who'd predicted that her mother was hit over the head and died instantly, never knowing what had happened and never feeling any pain. "That really got me," she admits.

Inside the Florence stationhouse, Terri looked for some reassurance from the officers. "Suffocation. That's quick, right?"

If ever there were a time to be merciful and lie, this would have been one of those times. But the Florence police officers told the truth - it takes an eternity to enter eternity when you're being smothered. Four or five minutes, maybe, and all the while, there's no air; all the while, the victim knows she's dying; and all the while, she's looking at her murderer. It's an agonizing death. It's a torment that Terri will have to live with for the rest of her life.

Key word here: "psychics". Apparently there were some psychics that Terry had heard from that had got it wrong. But there's nothing here about Mary Ann Morgan getting it wrong. Try again?

 

[Russ_Watters]

Keep your comments about how I am to yourself. I'm not interested in any ad hoc psychoanalysis from you or anyone else in this thread.

That's fine. I'm not a psychologist, so I can't claim to really know for sure what your issues are. So I recommend consulting one.

You claimed the psychic was lying that she knew the mother did it. You have ZERO evidence for that claim.

It's a theory. By the same token, you have zero evidence that the psychic knew something the police did not.

For someone who initially claimed the psychic was not even involved in the case, you sure aren't doin very well.

I never said any such thing. In fact, you've repeatedly made this same lie. Should I whine and report you too, because while other posts of yours may not be trolling, repeating lies clearly is.

Wow..so all that ridiculous mentioning of the Kardashians and the Amish Mafia being fictional was for what? Seemed to me you were saying this proves Psychic Detectives was fictional as well.

Again: your claim, not mine. You claimed that because it purports to be a documentary it must be true. I (we) simply showed that you are wrong in that claim that it must be true.

In fact one might think they are desperate resorts in lieu of presenting any valid arguments. People only have to insult or character assassinate when they have nothing left to argue for.

No, not really. When the case being made is really, really bad, often the question of how someone can argue in favor of it is more interesting than the debunking itself. You're quite an interesting case!

 

[Magical Realist]

It isn't your memory that is failing you.

It isn't on us to prove all 81 wrong, it is on you to prove at least one right. So far none can be proven right and many have proven wrong.

No it's not on me to prove the evidence cited isn't fabricated. That was up to you, something you have so far extraordinarily failed to establish.

 

[Russ_Watters]

Key word here: "psychics". Apparently there were some psychics that Terry had heard from that had got it wrong. But there's nothing here about Mary Ann Morgan getting it wrong.

Ahh, so you are smarter than you pretend to be. Interesting. Tell me this though: if Mary Ann was the best psychic and had predicted suffocation, why did Terri believe her mother was hit over the head?

 

[Russ_Watters]

No it's not on me to prove the evidence cited isn't fabricated.

Most of those little snippets contain no evidence. They are just stories, with no evidence provided to help prove them.

I get that you don't think you have to prove any of these stories, but you are aware that you haven't proven any (with corroborating information), right?

 

[Magical Realist]

That's fine. I'm not a psychologist, so I can't claim to really know for sure what your issues are. So I recommend consulting one.

You just can't help yourself can you. Insult after insult, with no arguments to offer..

It's a theory. By the same token, you have zero evidence that the psychic knew something the police did not.

I just posted the details of what she knew before the body was found. You want me to quote them again?

I never said any such thing. In fact, you've repeatedly made this same lie. Should I whine and report you too, because while other posts of yours may not be trolling, repeating lies clearly is.

Here's how you described the case:

"The story of Case 6: Body found by a man walking a dog, everyone suspected the mother, nothing for a psychic to do:
http://www.people.com/people/article...106446,00.html"

Are you now claiming that a psychic DID have something to do in the case?

Again: your claim, not mine. You claimed that because it purports to be a documentary it must be true. I (we) simply showed that you are wrong in that claim that it must be true.

Reality shows aren't documentaries. So whatever you thought you were arguing, you failed to do so effectively.

No, not really. When the case being made is really, really bad, often the question of how someone can argue in favor of it is more interesting than the debunking itself. You're quite an interesting case!

If your becoming more interested in insulting me, that's your problem not mine. Perhaps this topic is starting to bore you?

 

[Magical Realist]

Most of those little snippets contain no evidence. They are just stories, with no evidence provided to help prove them.

I get that you don't think you have to prove any of these stories, but you are aware that you haven't proven any (with corroborating information), right?

So far you've proven the 5 cases are factual. Not a thing you've brought up invalidates any of the descriptions of those cases.

 

[Magical Realist]

Ahh, so you are smarter than you pretend to be. Interesting. Tell me this though: if Mary Ann was the best psychic and had predicted suffocation, why did Terri believe her mother was hit over the head?

It wasn't known that Mary Ann was the best of the psychics until after the body was discovered. So before then, Terri just had to go by what any psychics were saying. "Psychics" meaning more than one had predicted head injury.

 

[Magical Realist]

Most of those little snippets contain no evidence. They are just stories, with no evidence provided to help prove them.

I get that you don't think you have to prove any of these stories, but you are aware that you haven't proven any (with corroborating information), right?

Like I said, 81 police-testified and media reported crime cases IS evidence. It was evidence before you started crosschecking it, and it's still evidence now. Nothing has changed.

 

[Russ_Watters]

I just posted the details of what she knew before the body was found. You want me to quote them again?

I think you may be getting the cases confused, but no, there is no need for you to repost anything. The psychic didn't help find the body and you never claimed she did, so there isn't anything here: We both recognize that the psychic didn't do anything WRT finding the body.

Are you now claiming that a psychic DID have something to do in the case?

Yes, I made it clear that I found a value for the "psychic" here: as a liar though, not a "psychic".

Reality shows aren't documentaries. So whatever you thought you were arguing, you failed to do so effectively.

Again: your claim, not mine. You didn't initially claim these were documentaries, you just said "crime shows". "Amish Mafia" is a "crime show". And it is totally fake. Your psychic crime show isn't totally fake, just mostly fake.

If your becoming more interested in insulting me, that's your problem not mine. Perhaps this topic is starting to bore you?

Yes, it is. Your arguments are so bad that the cause of the arguments is becoming more interesting than the arguments themselves. Especially when:

So far you've proven the 5 cases are factual. Not a thing you've brought up invalidates any of the descriptions of those cases.

Lies. When your arguments become flat-out lies, there isn't much left about the arguments to discuss -- only the reason for the lies.

It wasn't known that Mary Ann was the best of the psychics until after the body was discovered. So before then, Terri just had to go by what any psychics were saying. "Psychics" meaning more than one had predicted head injury.

Ahh, so you agree that most of the psychics were wrong. Well that's at least a starting point we could work with!

Like I said, 81 police-testified and media reported crime cases IS evidence.

Again: that's a lie. A great many of them contain no police testimony or media reports and proving the crime existed is not the same as proving the psychic did anything to help solve it.

MR, you've been shown the flaws in your argument and now you are resorting to lying to cover yourself. Not much more we can do here if lying is all you have and can provide.

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund View Post
What will it take to brang psychics out of the shadows... to be considered respectable enuff that police woud not be embrrassed to publically work wit them to solve crime.???

I have no idea...

MR MR hes the man... if he cant do it nobody can.!!!

Choose only 1 psychic... make a clame about ther abilities... make the best case you can based on science that this psychic has those abilities.!!!

Change 1 mind today... an tomorrow the wourld will be you'r oyster.!!!