Why police detectives and the FBI consult psychics

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Magical Realist said:
No..you read it wrong.
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No, what I did was spot the obvious BS and google for additional information to corroborate or contradict it. Guess what?!: The psychic TV show manipulated the story! :eek:
She had already given them the information that led them to bring in John Reece, but since he cleared the polygraph, they wanted to refocus on the boyfriend instead, which was their original suspect. So Nancy tells them to stay with John.
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Nope. All of that is false. Reece was the prime suspect, but after he passed the polygraph test, one of the two detectives wanted to focus on the boyfriend. Then they brought-in the so-called "psychic", who said to stick with Reese. It was literally a 50/50 shot that she got right.

Here's a few sources for you:
"We had a couple of guys we were looking at," said Heater, "and one of them was John Reese, 31, a farm worker, who lived on the upstairs floor above Cornish's apartment. We put him through a polygraph, and he passed. My partner thought he was still good for it, but I thought it might have been Cornish's boyfriend."

It was at about this time that Cornish's sister requested that a psychic get involved with the case.
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http://noreenrenier.com/media/articles/lawenforcementmag.html
This is telling:
"Nancy's information is very accurate; it's just that it's so scattered you have to make sense of it. It's all a puzzle, and you have to put it together."
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Yep, that's the technique: throw a bunch of crap at the wall and hope some of it sticks. When it does, the information that didn't pan-out is forgotten and the information that did is remembered. That's the essence of "cold reading" a gullible rube.

Just in case you buy that "cold case" nonsense sensationalism in the story on the psychic tv show: Reese confessed to the crime a mere two weeks after it happened:
http://articles.mcall.com/1989-07-13/news/2708377_1_apartment-john-reese-prosecutors
 
Magical Realist said:
75.PSYCHIC DETECTIVES episode ‘Crossing Paths’.
Place: Washington Township Police Department
Case: female student Rachel Dames murdered
Psychic: Nancy Weber
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Jeez, is it too much to ask that the crackpot spell the victim's name correctly? I had a heckuva time finding Rachel Domas from "Rachel Dames". :rolleyes:

A quick timeline:
She was abducted on Thursday.
The murderer was first questioned on Friday.
The victim's body was found on Saturday.
The murderer was arrested on Sunday.

I'm having a hard time finding any time for a psychic to have done anything on that case! I'm thinking she just took credit for it after-the-fact.

MR, will you believe any nonsense anyone throws at you? Will you believe I'm Santa Claus if I make a website to prove it?
 
The psychic detectives? A freaking television program? Are you kidding me? Good God what won't you believe?:bugeye:
 
Magical Realist said:
So how do you explain it when psychics are uncannily dead on?
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If 10 psychics makes 3 predictions a day, and in one year they make 81 remarkably accurate predictions, then their accuracy rate is .7%. Guessing on binary equally random outcomes would give you a success rate of 50%. Increase the number of choices and the odds go down; if you have enough choices you'd see it go down to (say) .7%.

To apply it to actual crimes, any psychic could just get on the Internet, do some research and guess. He could go with:
The victim's name. Easily obtainable.
The victim's wife's name. Also easily obtainable.
The murderer; choose a family member at random.
The murder weapon. Choose knife or gun at random.

Based purely on statistics, if 100 mediums use the above formula, a few of them will return remarkably accurate predictions.
 
Russ_Watters said:
No, what I did was spot the obvious BS and google for additional information to corroborate or contradict it. Guess what?!: The psychic TV show manipulated the story! :eek:

Nope. All of that is false. Reece was the prime suspect, but after he passed the polygraph test, one of the two detectives wanted to focus on the boyfriend. Then they brought-in the so-called "psychic", who said to stick with Reese. It was literally a 50/50 shot that she got right.

Here's a few sources for you:
http://noreenrenier.com/media/articles/lawenforcementmag.html
This is telling:

Yep, that's the technique: throw a bunch of crap at the wall and hope some of it sticks. When it does, the information that didn't pan-out is forgotten and the information that did is remembered. That's the essence of "cold reading" a gullible rube.

Just in case you buy that "cold case" nonsense sensationalism in the story on the psychic tv show: Reese confessed to the crime a mere two weeks after it happened:
http://articles.mcall.com/1989-07-13/news/2708377_1_apartment-john-reese-prosecutors
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LOL! Do you even read your own posted articles. It's entirely irrelevant whether the police suspected John Reese or not since Nancy Weber was not even told about him, his name, or what he looked liked:

"Heater brought Weber to the crime scene during daytime hours, when he knew Reese was away working. Weber wasn't told before hand that Reese was a suspect. "As soon as she walked into the apartment," said Heater, "she insisted that the evil was upstairs, and whatever happened had come from upstairs. She later described a man with a scar on his face that wore a large belt buckle [western style] and had the initials J.R. When I told her that this man [with the initials J.R.] had passed a polygraph, she said, 'Go talk to him again.' My partner went back to talk to Reese again, and he did indeed have a scar on his face and a big belt buckle."

So gee..thanks for confirming that Nancy Weber was indeed spot on!
 
Russ_Watters said:
Jeez, is it too much to ask that the crackpot spell the victim's name correctly? I had a heckuva time finding Rachel Domas from "Rachel Dames". :rolleyes:

A quick timeline:
She was abducted on Thursday.
The murderer was first questioned on Friday.
The victim's body was found on Saturday.
The murderer was arrested on Sunday.

I'm having a hard time finding any time for a psychic to have done anything on that case! I'm thinking she just took credit for it after-the-fact.

MR, will you believe any nonsense anyone throws at you? Will you believe I'm Santa Claus if I make a website to prove it?
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Wow...a timeline. What does that have to do with disproving anything at all about the story? Are you really that desperate?
 
billvon said:
If 10 psychics makes 3 predictions a year, and in one year they make 81 remarkably accurate predictions, then their accuracy rate is .7%. Guessing on binary equally random outcomes would give you a success rate of 50%. Increase the number of choices and the odds go down; if you have enough choices you'd see it go down to (say) .7%.

To apply it to actual crimes, any psychic could just get on the Internet, do some research and guess. He could go with:
The victim's name. Easily obtainable.
The victim's wife's name. Also easily obtainable.
The murderer; choose a family member at random.
The murder weapon. Choose knife or gun at random.

Based purely on statistics, if 100 mediums use the above formula, a few of them will return remarkably accurate predictions.
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Thing is 100 mediums weren't consulted for each case. Only one was, who turned out to be spot on about details on the case that the police lacked. Even if these cases occurred in the age of internet, which I highly doubt, you would still not be able to google things the police didn't know yet.
 
Magical Realist said:
Thing is 100 mediums weren't consulted for each case. Only one was, who turned out to be spot on about details on the case that the police lacked.
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You don't read about the other 99 times that psychics were consulted and gave no useful information. They don't publish stories like that.
Even if these cases occurred in the age of internet, which I highly doubt, you would still not be able to google things the police didn't know yet.
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No but you could make excellent guesses based on research. (After all, that's how ordinary detectives and PI's work. Psychics can do exactly the same thing.)
 
billvon said:
You don't read about the other 99 times that psychics were consulted and gave no useful information. They don't publish stories like that.
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And you know this exactly how? Are you psychic?

No but you could make excellent guesses based on research. (After all, that's how ordinary detectives and PI's work. Psychics can do exactly the same thing.)
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No. Even psychics can't guess the location of bodies, the type of murder, or the name and appearance of the murderer.
 
Magical Realist said:
And you know this exactly how? Are you psychic?
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Nope.

Let's say you walk up to a streetcorner. You see ten men all claiming they are Jesus Christ. So you ask the first one a bunch of questions. He turns out to be insane. You ask the second one; he doesn't know anything about the Bible and is drunk. He's doing this on a bet. You ask the third one. He's an actor playing Jesus for a class.

Etc etc. You get through the first nine and all are fakes. What about the tenth one? Might he be the real thing? Sure, maybe. But the smart money is that he's not really Jesus Christ. It's a safe bet even if you're not psychic.

No. Even psychics can't guess the location of bodies, the type of murder, or the name and appearance of the murderer.
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Apparently some can. (Indeed, statistically it is a certainty that if you make enough predictions you will get all the above right.)
 
Magical Realist said:
And here we go with the "if it's on tv it can't be true" argument of skeptics. Really? Is that all ya got? lol!
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It's telling that you don't understand why this argument is made. No worries, you'll understand as you get older and experience more of life. But, in the meantime, the reason TV programs like this can't be trusted is because they have no responsibility to provide accurate details, and their sole purpose for producing the show is to make money. You can see why shows like that can't be trusted,

And some advice: pretending that this is the only argument against the existence of genuine psychic ability is intellectual dishonest, even for someone your age. We have a mod who is suddenly championing this as as a rules violation, and another who is pretending that It has been all along, so be careful.
 
Magical Realist said:
LOL! Do you even read your own posted articles. It's entirely irrelevant whether the police suspected John Reese or not...
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Yes, it is when the TV show makes false claims about him not being a suspect. And, of course, nonsensically claiming that it was a "cold case" when it wasn't. How many proven lies do you need before you start wondering about whether the story is true?
....since Nancy Weber was not even told about him, his name, or what he looked liked...
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Yes, I'm sure you believe she had no idea going in. Did you know John Edwards actually bugged the lobby of his show's studio? That's part of the trick: hide what you know.
Weber wasn't told before hand that Reese was a suspect. "As soon as she walked into the apartment," said Heater, "she insisted that the evil was upstairs, and whatever happened had come from upstairs....
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Reese who? Did she know who he was, if not that he was a suspect? "Hey, was someone living above the victim? Hmm....might he have been the killer?" Even you could have put that together!
Magical Realist said:
Wow...a timeline. What does that have to do with disproving anything at all about the story? Are you really that desperate?
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Disproving? Me? Oh, I thought you were the one making the claim here?! You're right - it's so much easier if we just assume the lying crackpot fraud's story to be true instead of proving it!
 
Magical Realist said:
And you know this exactly how? Are you psychic?
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Cold reading is a well practiced and understood tactic. You should read-up on it -- yes, even you can be a psychic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading
No. Even psychics can't guess the location of bodies, the type of murder, or the name and appearance of the murderer.
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They can if the police already know but just aren't completely certain. Like when an investigation only takes 4 days from crime to arrest and they are on the murderer's tail right from the start.

Guessing the answers is easy when you are provided with them!
 
Yes. This one.

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