1. That's a lie.
2. You are dodging your own point of the thread.
Why police detectives and the FBI consult psychics
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2. You are dodging your own point of the thread.
Magical Realist
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You're the one trying to distract from the obvious success of psychics in providing accurate information for crime solving. Are you finally conceding that the psychics were accurate in their descriptions, shifting instead now to whether the police actually used the information to solve the crime? What does that have to do with the information being accurate and valuable?
They weren't spot on.
Believe me, if I could believe in psychics I would.
They all use techniques of deceit.
Often they can be unwary of the techniques they are using, but they are deceitful nevertheless.
I have looked on youtube to see the best psychics at work.
They are only the best because they are the most skilllfull in cold reading.
See if you can find one psychic on youtube who does not trawl for information.
Magical Realist
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LOL! Here's the confirmation of what the psychic said about the location of the body:
"The words of the psychics took on a new meaning on April 9, 1979, when Lt. Kozenczak got a telephone call from the Grundy County Sheriff’s police. As predicted by Dorothy Allison, the body of Rob Piest was discovered that day floating in the Des Plaines River. While Des Plaines police immediately responded by going to Grundy County, it wasn’t until a year later than Lt. Kozenczak visited the actual site where the body was found. At that time the lieutenant, accompanied by another officer, went to the site prepared to photograph and videotape physical evidence that coincided with what had been said by the psychics.
While en route to Morris, where the Grundy County Sheriff’s Office was located and where Kozenczak was to meet his escort to the body site, the lieutenant noticed several signs bearing names with double letters such as Bolingbrook, Romeoville, Shorewood, Channahon, Minooka, and Crest Hill. Allison had mentioned the double letters earlier. Not far from the bridge where Gacy confessed to throwing Rob’s body over, and where Allison had indicated that she smelled oil, several large Mobile Oil tanks highlighted the skyline. The investigator recalled Carol Broman’s mention of the letter "M." Of course, the "M" could also be interpreted as standing for Morris, the town located closest to where the body was found.
The investigator also found the Manor Motel, mentioned by Dorothy Allison, not far from the bridge. While en route to the body site, a large towerlike structure with fire at the top of it was sighted, recalling the incinerator-type structure mentioned during the first visit to Carol Broman’s. In fact, several variations of tower-type structures were seen in the area. The ones near the area’s nuclear power plant had lights on them. There were also numerous old wooded sheds, also in keeping from Broman’s reading, that were literally falling over from weather and age. At one point, an old gas station with old pumps was also identified.
As predicted by Broman, an abandoned old brick building was passed en route to the body site. It had originally been a paper mill, but was not boarded up. While it couldn’t be positively identified as the odor of rats, there was a very strong smell in the area surrounding the facility.
The actual gravel road leading to the river bank belonged to the Army Corp of Engineers. It was surrounded by a chain link fence, had a locked gate, a "Keep Out" sign and numerous waterways traversing through it—perhaps the reason Broman classified it as "peculiar." While she was correct about the water being to the left as the area was approached, she was also correct in describing the trees overhead. As indicated, the trees formed a type of archway and almost touched at the highest point. Further down the road huge coils of copper wire and yellow construction equipment, covered with plastic, were identified. Once at the riverside, where the Piest boy’s body was found caught on a log and surrounded by the heavy foliage touching in the water, Kozenczak noticed two stack-like structures in the distance above the bank area. As Carol had said, "The tower is in front of a fence and the body of water is in front of that."
On speaking with the sheriff’s staff, Kozenczak was informed that there was an old stagecoach stop, that had been passed en route, that dated back to the 1800’s. Again, Carol Broman had mentioned old buildings from that era. On inquiring about Dorothy’s commentary regarding livestock, the lieutenant learned that not far from the body site, closer to the interstate, there was a livestock weighing facility.
As Lt. Kozenczak headed back to the interstate, approximately one mile from the body site, he came across an unmarked cemetery. On inquiring as to its name, he was informed that it was titled Evergreen. It had been at that location a year previous, in the deep snow, that Dorothy Allison had got out of Kozenczak’s car indicating that the boy’s body was in that vicinity from which they had just come. The extreme weather had hampered any further search of the area at the time, but Mrs. Allison’s feelings appeared to be quite accurate."
I think you should reread what you just said and try again without the contradictions.
But I'd also like you to expand on what you are parroting: if the information was "spot on", why did it fail to lead the police to the body? What does "spot on" mean to you? So vague that it can be fit to any result but worthless in solving the crime?
Magical Realist
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I've already pointed out twice that cold reading can't account for psychics seeing things nobody else knows about yet. Why is this point not sinking in? If a psychic describes a site where a body is located, or the appearance and initials of the killer, or the method of murder, there is no amount of cold reading that is going to provide that. And FYI, just because there are frauds out there doesn't mean all psychics are frauds. That's like saying because some doctors are quacks, they all must be quacks.
Psychics all use cold reading.
All of them.
There are thousands on youtube.
Find me one that doesn't.
All of them.
There are thousands on youtube.
Find me one that doesn't.
Magical Realist
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Tell me what was vague about all the details provided by the psychic's description. Not one detail was inaccurate. As for why the information didn't lead to the body being found, who knows. Maybe not enough effort was put into the search. Maybe the body was too decayed or buried to be readily located. Maybe it was underwater at the time. Maybe there was snow covering everything, as indeed was the case here. Lot's of variables working here. But it doesn't reflect on the value of the information provided. Considering all the places a body COULD be, it's quite remarkable that the psychic got even one detail right much less all of them.
A lot of them do, but a lot also do warm and hot reads. Some are very, very good at hot reads, and use hidden cameras, assistants, and hidden sources of information to great effect.
Magical Realist
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You don't know that. And in any case, no amount of cold reading can lead to a psychic providing information on a crime that nobody else knows.
Just in case you forgot your claim from the OP:
"...leading to them being solved", not "running the police around in circles and finding nothing"
No matter how many times you repeat that, it remains a lie.
But hey - at least you acknowledged your primary thesis is wrong! That should pretty much end the thread! You're wrong, we all agree, thread over, right?
If a psychic has read up on the case, they may have an inkling that no-one else has thought of.
Their work necessitates parallel thinking.
They have a skill for extracting information from small things that people say, observing tiny things about their clothes and demeanour.
They can also detect immediately any reaction to things that are said.
All those skills are useful ones for detectives.
In short, use of a psychic may not be as unscientific as it sounds.
They could be said to be just a different kind of detective.
The top psychics are earning many times a detective's wage.
That means they are damn good at what they do.
If a case was going nowhere, give it a go. Why not?
Their work necessitates parallel thinking.
They have a skill for extracting information from small things that people say, observing tiny things about their clothes and demeanour.
They can also detect immediately any reaction to things that are said.
All those skills are useful ones for detectives.
In short, use of a psychic may not be as unscientific as it sounds.
They could be said to be just a different kind of detective.
The top psychics are earning many times a detective's wage.
That means they are damn good at what they do.
If a case was going nowhere, give it a go. Why not?
Magical Realist
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So you're admitting the psychic's information IS accurate, but it never led to anyone solving of a crime? Is that what you are claiming now? What about this case which I already cited:
Over the years I've heard and read many times from Skeptics that, "there isn't a single case in all of recorded human history where a Psychic's Information has led to the discovery of a body or an arrest in a murder". Really now?
Etta Smith Case:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/crim ... ics/8.html
"In 1980, Etta Smith, a shipping clerk in Los Angeles, heard an announcement on the radio about a house-to-house search for Melanie Uribe, a missing woman from her neighborhood, as documented in A&E's film and Larsen's Psychic Sleuths. Smith had an impression that the woman was not inside a building but outside in a certain area, and though she'd never before had such an overwhelming sense of something, it seemed so vivid that she reported it to the police. "It was like someone was talking to me," she said. She felt that the nurse had been hit in the head and dumped in a canyon, which she showed to a detective on a map. She said there was a dirt path going to her. When he seemed not to take her seriously, she decided to go have a look on her own.
As Etta drove through the target area in Lopez Canyon, she had a feeling of "urgency." Spotting some tire tracks in the dirt, she felt them and sensed the trauma that had taken place there. "It was like a thermometer going up." She got back into her car and drove, but her daughter told her to stop because she'd seen something. What she had spotted were a pair of white nurse's shoes.
Smith knew who was there. She drove away and spotted a policeman. She waved him to a stop and told him about the body. He told her to go home. She did, but then two detectives came to bring her in for questioning. She agreed to take a lie detector test, and the police later said that she'd been judged "deceptive," so she was treated as a suspect, strip-searched, and put into a cell for three days. They planted an undercover cop in the cell with her to try to find out why she had come forward and whether her information had come from neighborhood gossip, as suspected. The cop reported that her motive was money.
Then three men confessed and Etta was released. She filed a wrongful arrest suit, asking $750,000 in damages. The jury awarded her $24,000.
She says she never had another such vision, or if she did, she was smart to not report it."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 23,00.html
"For Etta Louise Smith, the nightmare began shortly before Christmas 1980, when she claims to have had a vision of something white, covered by brush. A Lockheed aerospace worker in Burbank, Calif., Smith does not consider herself a psychic. Yet after she heard radio reports about Nurse Melanie Uribe, 31, who had vanished on her way to work, Smith was convinced she knew where the body could be found. She took her information to the police, who put her off.
Smith then organized a search with two of her young children and a 20-year- old niece. In remote Lopez Canyon, 18 miles north of Los Angeles, her daughter spotted a white heap that turned out to be Uribe -- robbed, raped and beaten to death. Smith told police of her discovery and was arrested for the murder.
While she was held in jail for four days, the killers -- three men with prior arrest records -- turned up. Smith, 39, filed a suit for false arrest. Last week Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Joel Rudof ruled that despite Smith's detailed account of the murder of a woman she never knew or saw, police did not have probable cause to lock her up."
She and the Detective were interviewed on Larry King Live in 2004:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... kl.00.html
"SMITH: Right. On Wednesday, while I was at work, I was listening to the news off and on during the day. And around 3:00, I heard the police say that they were doing a house to house search for her after locating her vehicle. And as soon as that thought registered, instantly my mind said, she's not in a house. As soon as that thought passed, it was as if I saw a movie. I could visually see where she was. I didn't know the name of the street, but I knew how to get there. And I couldn't shake this. I couldn't it to leave me.
GRACE: When I you say you saw, what did you see?
SMITH: I saw a canyon road. I saw where the road curved. I saw a dirt path going to a white object, and a hill behind it very, very clearly.
GRACE: An so officer, Detective Ryan, what did you do when this woman, you've never seen her before, comes up with this vision?
RYAN: I invited Etta to step into the squad room, where we have large wall maps of the area of our division and asked her to indicate as best she could the area she felt this canyon was in and the roads that led to it. And as she did so, I took several photographs depicting both her and her pointing to the location in case it did turn out that she was possibly involved.
GRACE: So you were cynical, weren't you?
RYAN: Yes, I was.
GRACE: When you come back, we are going to hear the rest of the story. At this juncture, a 31-year-old nurse, Melanie Uribe, never missed work, as reliable as a Timex wrist watch, goes missing. All that is found is her burned out car, and suddenly, a psychic comes on the scene. Stay with us.
So Detective Ryan, we left off where she was pointing on a map where she thought, after seeing a vision of a canyon, this missing nurse was. What did you do then?
RYAN: The area she was indicating is a very remote sector of the San Fernando Valley, Lopez Canyon. I then instructed her to be back at the station the following morning at 7:00 a.m., and we would have a helicopter from air support divisino there to take there up into this area and search with her help and assistance.
GRACE: The following morning, did she show up?
RYAN: No, she didn't.
GRACE: What happened, Etta? Why were you a no show?
SMITH: Well, as I was leaving the police station, Mr. Ryan had told me they had not checked that area yet, and I told him I had a feeling I would. Something inside of me said they might not check in time. I didn't know if the victim was dead or alive. I just felt so strongly she was there, that if somebody needed to get to her, they needed to get to her right away, and I couldn't let it rest because it wouldn't leave me alone. I kept seeing it over and over and over again. So I proceeded to go to the canyon.
GRACE: So you get in your car, and drive to this remote area, all on your own.
SMITH: Right, with some family members.
GRACE: You know, Etta, this is such an incredible story to me. You get in your car. You drive out to this remote canyon, and tell us what happened.
SMITH: Well, in driving up the canyon, I had instructed everybody with me to please be on the alert for anything white showing through shrubbery. We cruised the canyon very slowly, got to the top, didn't see anything but I could feel trauma.
And at the top when all of us got back in the vehicle, I said we may not have seen anything, but I feel her. I very much feel her. She's in this canyon, and I said we're going back down the canyon. If we don't find anything, we're leaving here, because I feel it.
GRACE: So you go back down the canyon and?
SMITH: Got halfway down, I noticed tire marks in an embankment on the left side of the road. I also noticed tire marks in dirt on the right side of the road. Instinctively, something told me to stop. I got out of my van. I looked to see if someone possibly could have turned around in the middle of this narrow canyon road, and I put my fingers into the impressions in the dirt, and as soon as they touched the dirt, it was almost electrifying, I could just feel all kinds of trauma.
In leaving that side, I went to the other side of the road laid my fingers in the impressions and the same thing happened. And I knew, I knew this was the vehicle. I knew that these tire impressions were involved with this victim.
GRACE: So what, in the end, Etta, did you find?
SMITH: We ended up finding the victim exactly as I had said, off on the right-hand side of the road with a dirt path leading to her, white showing through shrubbery with a hill behind her.
GRACE: Detective Ryan, this woman, Etta Smith, a psychic, found a dead body before the police could, and in return, they arrest her, detective. How was the case finally solved?
RYAN: Well, it was very complicated. That touches on the perimeter of the story. Basically, because she had found it, and nobody else was able to or come up with any clues, naturally, all involved in the investigation had felt that she had to know the perpetrators and, or, band of participant in order to go to that location so specifically.
I believe that it was not luck. I believe that she had a feeling for the location. There hadn't been anything in the newspapers indicating the clues that we had or the suspects we might be looking for. And basically the case was going absolutely nowhere at that point. So her finding the body just really tended to point fingers...
GRACE: At that point, it did make her a legitimate suspect, but in the end, as it turns out, three guys had been overheard bragging that they had kidnapped and tortured and killed a nurse. And they were turned in, and confessed, and were found guilty and the end of the story, I guess, Etta is something you didn't predict. You sued the police department and won for false arrest.
SMITH: Right. It took six years to do, but I felt forced to do it. I had to clear my name. I did not want any cloud of suspicion hanging over me, plus I had a high level clearance with the Department of Defense, and I needed my day in court."
Other cases already cited. This is getting tedious..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-autistic-boy-buried-shallow-grave-yard.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...c-medium-begins-solving-crimes_n_1904892.html
80. PSYCHIC DETECTIVES ‘The Phantom Trail’.
Place: Benton Police Department, Arkansas.
Case: elderly female goes missing- Cora Herd
Psychic: Carol Pate
Police Officer in charge: Captain Roger Gaither (initially, he showed to be extremely skeptical of psychics)
Evidence produced by highly gifted psychic, Carol Pate, (after a huge search of the area there were no more clues, no more leads, case went cold) .. very briefly, “I saw Cora (the missing person) … she is still alive … she is wearing a pink sweat suit, sweat pants … wet at the top … she’s got one shoe on … one shoe off …yes, she is alive … and she needs to be found as soon as possible … she’s wondering out there in the woods … and it is dangerous in her weakest condition that she is … there’s woods … she is close to a stream or a small body of water … and I feel she’s right there in the stream … all they have to do is to follow the stream and they can locate her … when I sat on her bed I began to see what Cora was seeing around her … I saw trees, bushes …I saw a stream … now I see a wire fence … I saw Cora she wasn’t too far away from the residence… (this time with the police and the nurse of Cora in the woods led by the psychic) … I feel strongly there she is … the reason I am so persistent was because I knew it was a fact she was there … no question in my mind … (pointing to a place behind a wire fence) “She is right there Captain!” … (Even at that time Captain Roger Gaither was highly skeptical he reluctantly sends one of the officer to check out the area where the psychic was pointing) – there he found the missing person Cora bruised, lying partly in water semi-conscious – just as the psychic had predicted.
Police Comments, Captain Roger Gaither: “ …Shocked at the psychic’s accuracy … when Cora was found she was missing one shoe … she had a pink jumpsuit on … Cora was found in a running stream … this made me think what the psychic said being found in water … There’s no doubt we found Cora based on the fact the psychic was leading us in the direction where Cora was found …If my daughter went missing, no clues … I would call the Police Department first then (gifted psychic)Carol Pate second …”
Nurse, friend of Cora, “If it was not for Carol Pate (the psychic) we would not have found Cora …”
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81. Case 1 ‘The Gambler’.
Place: Gonzales Police Department
Case: Murder of three women
Psychic: Rose Kopp
Police officers in charge: Chief Bill Landry, Detective Mike Toney (Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Department).
Evidence produced: by gifted psychic Rose Kopp, briefly, “I astrally walked into her (the victim’s) house …I saw her on the floor … so I moved back in time … and I saw him (the killer) with a knife … wounding … multiple stab wounds … around the face and neck … I’m trying to read the label of the killer’s jeans to give me some idea who he was and his height and weight …I determined he was between five foot eight to five foot ten … his hands were dirty … his fingernails dirty … he’s white … his hands are thick and callous like a laborer’s hands … Riverboat … river … a wall a rat… I see an old woman’s hand writing River Rat … I now see him picking up a metallic chair using it to climb on something (to enter into a house) … driving the vehicle I saw a blond woman … chubby blond shoulder length wavy long hair … fair complexion … I looked at the car and see inside on the back seat lots of papers … they are like gambling slips … things related to gambling … I see the same woman in a diner … I see her carrying plates … I see her pouring coffee … yes I got the impression she is a waitress … she has a name tag I am trying to see what name … it’s like Cindi … I look around to see the location … I see a billboard with a cow on it … (Police trace the suspect … suspect charged with the murders, convicted and sentenced to death.
Police Comments: Police Chief Bill Landry: “… the psychic’s description of the suspect - identical to the FBI profile of the suspect! He’s …white, five foot eight … he’s a laborer … and we found Cindi’s former employer at a restaurant. The accused nickname was River Rat – just as the psychic told us before we knew about it – and which I thought it was mind boggling! I think what’s important to understand is that you have to believe in the powers of the psychic in order to help you to expand your case or to help you clear up a case …”
Detective Mike Toney (Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Department): “There were no tricks or gimmicks here … Rose (the gifted psychic) has psychic ability and she provided that to us and helped us to clear up the case
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75.PSYCHIC DETECTIVES episode ‘Crossing Paths’.
Place: Washington Township Police Department
Case: female student Rachel Dames murdered
Psychic: Nancy Weber
Officer in charge: Detective Gary Micco
Evidence produced by gifted psychic, briefly, “I see a man … he’s very narrow and thin … everything about him is … miserable … has lots of anger … terror and darkness … I see Rachel looking very nervous … he walks behind her (in the woods road) … he’s dragging her into the woods … yes I see this man attacking her … I see a struggle … it’s horrific … I see a uniform … he worked in gas station … his name is Michael … this Michael has taken overdose of pills … (police ask psychic to draw a map where to find the suspect) …You are going to get him soon …” (Police catch suspect …was in hospital being treated for overdose of pills; he confessed to killing Rachel …convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. Police officer say the map the psychic drawn was accurate).
POLICE COMMENT: Detective Gary Micco: Psychic Nancy Weber was on the money (accurate) with her predictions … She was amazingly accurate and very helpful in terms of bringing this case to a conclusion.
62. PSYCHIC DETECTIVES, Vanishing Trooper
Place: Pacifica Ca.
Police: Pacifica Police Department
Police Officer in charge: skeptic Sgt. Fernando Realyvasquez,
Case: Missing person
Psychic: gifted Annette Martin, specialist missing persons.
Some of the evidence produced by the gifted psychic, “My conscious mind is not working … my subconscious mind, my unconscious mind is processing all the information … He left his home … he had something in his hand when he went out … I see Mr Prado walking a great deal … I see a room that had a lot of books … religious books … the other thing I’m picking up strongly is the color green … it is really unusual to see green everywhere … clothes, towels, bedspread … (Sgt. Fernando Realyvasquez was stunned because he had not told anything like this to the psychic.) He seems very peaceful usually … but I feel he’s choking …can’t breath …can’t get enough air …I don’t see him far from home at all … in the San Pedro Park …(But the park is 2,000 acres of tangled underbrush, with steep hills. Police ask the psychic if she could pinpoint the exact location on a map). Yes, she said … circling a circle which represents one eighth of a mile on the map. …But, (she continues) … he’s dead … lying down some ten feet from the trail. (Police follow the psychic’s lead and find the missing person is the very center of the circle of the map she used – ten feet from the trail.
POLICE COMMENT: Sgt. Fernando Realyvasquez stated in his own words, “I have no idea how psychic Annette Martin does it all. I can say in this particular case had I not gone to her we never would have found the missing person.”
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Police: Daviess County Sheriff.
PSYCHIC DETECTIVES episode ‘The Fugitives’.
Police: Deputy Larry Huskey and Deputy Don Fritz
Case: two lifers escape from a Louisiana jail and abduct a 5 year old girl.
Gifted Psychic: Joyce Morgan who assisted the police.
Some of the psychic evidence, “ two guys coming our way … one hairy face … they took the girl .. I see Y.O.U. in cemetery ,, I see ‘6’ and ‘O’ – (later police came across highway with signs showing ‘6’ and ‘O’ – and confirming the suspects were in that area) … came across a cemetery where there was marked on one of the headstones Y.O.U. … fugitives traveling North … girl in farm … owner’s name ‘Roberts.’ (One of the fugitives Roy Hill was captured … his mate Billy Wilson was shot dead in a burglary attempt).
Police comments (those who worked on the case with the psychic):
1. Deputy Larry Huskey: “To me it was a kinda eerie that Joyce Morgan gave the description that she gave and all that came true (for us to close the case) … the suspect was found on Highway ‘O’ and the remains of the murdered girl was found on Roberts farm – (as the psychic correctly predicted) …”
2. Deputy Don Fritz, “Joyce was very helpful in bringing closure to this case … without her information it may have taken a lot longer before we could realize what happened …”
Source: Superfine Films NY City, TRU TV, Time Warner Co.
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61. PSYCHIC DETECTIVES - “A Fateful Friendship”
Place: Tempe, Arizona
Case: Missing person, Stacey Hendrickson
Psychic: Gale St.John
Police Officer in charge of the case: Detective Allen Reed
Evidence – some of the evidence produced by the gifted psychic 2,000 miles away from the scene: “I see water, cracked earth, a corrugated type of metal covering a building … palm trees … I see something across her wrists … I feel sharp pain in the back of my head … she was shot in the back of her head … you must find her roommate … the one who is going out with the roommate tonight is the killer and is planning to kill her…” (Police found the roommate, found the person, John Barry Adams, … arrested him …He was sentenced to 29 years in prison for murdering Stacey Hendrickson)
Police Comments: DETECTIVE ALLEN REED, Tempe, Arizona Police Department stated that before meeting the psychic he was a skeptic. But after working with gifted psychic, Gale St.John this is what he said in his own words, “I realized this (what was in the autopsy report) is exactly what psychic Gale St.John told me (from 2,000 miles away!) … gunshot wound in the back of the head … hands were bound … found near the water …a place with cracked earth …near palm trees … and the structure is surrounded by a fence and a window the building with corrugated iron … Not some of what she said, but ALL of what she said was true and accurate … I do like to think we would have ultimately identified and arrested John Adams BUT it was the psychic Gale St.John who led us to him and pointed us in the right direction …without a doubt.”
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Police: Wilmington Police Department
PSYCHIC DETECTIVES CASE: “Three of a Kind”- Mrs Mary Dugan found savagely beaten and knifed to death.
Evidence by the Psychic: just some of the confirmed critical information given by Nancy Myer the police did not know: ‘three suspects involved’; ‘victim died very violently’; ‘piece of tissue found near the body critical – has connection with one of the killers’ (had a tiny piece of hair of the one of the killers); (when Detective Jay Ingraham was driving psychic Myer to the victim’s house – told Detective Jay to stop the car and pointed to a house, saying ’That house is connected to the case’ (house where one of the killers was living. (All information proved correct).
Detective Edward Head stated that he had invited the forensic psychic Nancy Myer because she was great help to him in the past- found a missing person. Detective Head contacted Nancy Myer about this case.
Police comments: Detective Jay Ingraham who investigated the case: “It gives you goose pimples to think that somebody could look at a crime scene photograph and pick out a small tissue (which contained just one of the killers’ hair) which led to police evidence that was linked to the suspect. … I have no idea how Nancy (the psychic) does what she does but she gets results … she gives us information that we can verify and we were able to solve the crime with her.”
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Case 7
Place: Morris County Police
Case: Debbie Keyes' ex-husband abducted 3 children against a court order
Psychic: Nancy Weber
Evidence produced:Nancy first told her that the specific information where her husband had taken the children – to Euless, Texas. When police checked it out they found that the children had been there but had been moved days earlier. But the psychic came up with a new address in Ramona, CA. From there the police actually spoke to a neighbor who told them that once again the children had just left – but gave them an address in Hawaii where the children had been taken. Debbie Keys- had not seen her children for thirteen months but Nancy Weber told her that one of her daughters had been attacked by a dog and was left with a scar on her face, but that she would be reunited with them soon. That’s exactly what happened – Debbie Keyes was reunited with her children – her daughter had a scar on her mouth caused by a dog!
Police Comments:
Detective Lou Masterbone from Morris County Sheriff’s office: “If it wasn’t for Nancy Weber in this case we would not have gotten the children back … her insight, her help … we could not have done it without her.”
Psychic helps B.C. police find hiker's body
CBC News Posted: Jan 27, 2005 10:55 AM ET| Last Updated: Jan 27, 2005 12:12 PM ET
"Police in Nelson, B.C., have found the body of a young woman who disappeared last March, and they credit a local psychic for pointing them in the right direction.
Kimberley Anne Sarjeant was last seen walking alone in a popular hiking spot near Nelson.
Police say they used every tool at their disposal to try to find her, including search dogs, helicopters and infrared heat detectors.
When none of the standard techniques seemed to work, Sgt. Steve Bank called on a local psychic for help.
Police had already searched along an abandoned railway line where the 23-year-old woman was last seen.
But local psychic Norm Pratt steered police away from that trail. About a kilometre into nearby woods, police found Sarjeant's clothes. Her remains were discovered in the same area.
"Without the use of the psychic, I think I'd still be looking for this person," Bank said Wednesday.
Police aren't releasing the cause of death, but Bank said foul play is not suspected."
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Magical Realist
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LOL! You're denial is almost catatonic. How do you ever learn anything? Can't you read what the article said?
Some certainly is accurate. That has never been up for debate.
But since we agree that psychics don't help solve crimes, I guess we're done here!
Magical Realist
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Good. I'm glad you concede that psychics are indeed accurate. Now refer back to post #194 for more cases where psychics have helped solved crimes.
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Magical Realist
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I really don't see how a psychic doing a reading on an article of clothing belonging to the victim can divine the location of the body, the method and motivation of murder, or the identity and appearance of the killer. But hey..if they're supergenius sleuths with remarkable deductive powers, who knows! lol!
I'd say that there are good crossover skills between a psychic and a detective, yes.
If I were a police officer, consulting a psychic, I'd want to give him or her ALL the information I could.
Videos, interviews, and everything else. Not to give them any clues of course, just to give them the full psychic ambiance.
And THEN let them do the hoodoo bit with the article of clothing.
What should detectives do? Tell them nothing? Just give an item of clothing?
Sounds like a good way to get ferk all out of them.
I repeat, that many of these people are not deliberately fraudulent, any more than (oh, at random) Hindu priests.
And their perspicuity, intelligence, and (apparently) uncanny ability to be useful reinforces their belief.
If I were a police officer, consulting a psychic, I'd want to give him or her ALL the information I could.
Videos, interviews, and everything else. Not to give them any clues of course, just to give them the full psychic ambiance.
And THEN let them do the hoodoo bit with the article of clothing.
What should detectives do? Tell them nothing? Just give an item of clothing?
Sounds like a good way to get ferk all out of them.
I repeat, that many of these people are not deliberately fraudulent, any more than (oh, at random) Hindu priests.
And their perspicuity, intelligence, and (apparently) uncanny ability to be useful reinforces their belief.
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Definitely; they call such people "profilers" nowadays. Psychics do cold reads based on subtle cues given off by the person, basing their questions on statistical assumptions. The same skills that can let them figure out that the person has a wife who is cheating on them can help them determine that a suspect is lying, or that they are really worried about something that the detectives have overlooked.
(Needless to say that has nothing to do with psychic ability.)
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