Why nothing may happen in Africa

The question "Why Africans did not invade Europe" was asked and (as for me satisfactory) answered by Diamond in his "Guns, Germs, and Steel". It's all about environment and available resources, stupid.

One man's opinion, and without any factual evidence to prove any of his theories. He's just making excuses for the failures of the Africans, that's all. And, of course, the Africans need one helluva lot of excuses for the mess they've gotten themselves into over the last few millions years!!

Whitey pulled himself out of the mud huts and into multi-story concrete and steel towers. Why didn't the Africans?

Whitey pipes clean, fresh water right into their homes ...and sewers are connected in underground pipes right from their homes. Fascinating, ain't it? And yet, in millions of years of chances, the Africans still ain't got running water and underground sewers. Why?

And in all of that ....all you can do is make excuses for them. And worse, blame whitey instead of blaming the Africans. What is it ...never take responsibility for your own actions or lack of actions?

Baron Max
 
Why nothing may happen in Africa

For several months now, my company invited a group from West Africa that wanted to buy about $20 million worth farm equipment from USA and start a food processing facility in their country that would employ 15,000 people. So, they applied for visa for the meeting in USA. The Visa was denied. Later on we learned that, the group should have gone to their own commerce department, paid a lot of bribe money for the privilege to come to USA, who then would have instructed people in the American Embassy to provide the visa. Or, they could have paid off the Embassy workers to get the job done. Now that we are stuck, we are suggesting them to buy the Chinese products.

Corruption is alive and well in Africa and stupidity in America.

We also learned that only the stupid people or people who are punished are sent to Africa by the US Government.

Something will happen in Africa, most likely something bad. When was the last time you read that anything good happened in Africa? In fact when was the last time you read about something good the West has done for Africa?

Maybe bringing technology was good, but along with computers came lots of guns, tanks, and corruption. Until Africa has a stable government, it's going to be in trouble.

The real question is, which country will gain control of Africa's natural resources? The oil, the diamonds, the gold, etc is the only reason governments are interested in Africa.

Very similar to the middle east which also has oil, and so the world is interested in the middle east. It's never about people, it's about profits.
 
One man's opinion, and without any factual evidence to prove any of his theories. He's just making excuses for the failures of the Africans, that's all. And, of course, the Africans need one helluva lot of excuses for the mess they've gotten themselves into over the last few millions years!!

Whitey pulled himself out of the mud huts and into multi-story concrete and steel towers. Why didn't the Africans?

Whitey pipes clean, fresh water right into their homes ...and sewers are connected in underground pipes right from their homes. Fascinating, ain't it? And yet, in millions of years of chances, the Africans still ain't got running water and underground sewers. Why?

And in all of that ....all you can do is make excuses for them. And worse, blame whitey instead of blaming the Africans. What is it ...never take responsibility for your own actions or lack of actions?

Baron Max


There is no collective "white man", I don't know where people get the idea that the "white man" did all this stuff, as if all of the countries of Europe can be collectively defined as the "white man", that's just ridiculous.

However, the success of Europe, came as a result of the violent history of Europe. Europeans going all the way back to Rome, have a culture of war and conquest, it's in the history books for everyone to read. This culture produced better and better warriors, as evolution took course, along with better and better weapons, as European fought European, often over the interpretation of books, and liqour, and women. Basically, Europe was at war with Europe for centuries, until Europe discovered America.

Basically, Europeans did not get along with each other, invented guns and organized forms of violence, and these inventions and this violent culture stayed. Later on, when Europeans met other cultures that did not have guns, and had no concept of organized violence on that level, the result is obvious.

Might makes right. Force trumps non-violence, as we see over and over again, the groups of people who have the least might, always get run over. History has been playing out in this way for a long while, might does make right, according to history, and Europeans were the first to discover might, and have complete mastery over weapons.

Also we have to admit, some of the war strategies used were brilliant. Biological warfare was invented to kill Native Americans who had no concept of what that was due to the fact that Native Americans did not go through the black plague or any kinda plague. And Africans had no concept of organized violence because there is no history of "warfare" in Africa on the sort of scales that Europe went through. There were wars that went on for over 100 years in Europe, how exactly would an African country or tribe who only is used to having wars for months, or a few years, deal with European tribes that are adapted to wars that lasted for 100 years?

Also the kinds of wars were different too. Africans and Native Americans, did not even invent the sorts of deadly weapons to win a war. There was no gun in Africa, only spheres, and shields, and there was no gun with Native Americans, and the Chinese who invented gun powder has no gun, they used it for fireworks.

So it's ultimately culture. To take gunpowder and as your first thought, figure out how to make it into a killing object, thats cultural influence, thats not something people are born with. People are not born with knowledge on how to make deadly weapons, as most people aren't spending their every waking moment trying to figure out how to kill the "enemy".

Also, let's admit, money, resources, all of these things are cultural artifacts too.
Africa had some type of socialism in it's tribes, and Native Americans had barter. China had money but did not think to leave it's wall. Ultimately Europeans because of location, had the least natural resources, and so it's rational that Europeans would simply steal whatever they need. It's in human nature to steal when desperate for resources.

So in general, all of this stuff is cultural. Because it's cultural, it can be changed, especially now when theres no reason for us to be overly violent towards ourselves. We KNOW better at this point, or at least the vast majority do, thats why the vast majority gets upset when there's violent wars.

In the future the resources will be intellectual based, intellectual property, information will become the most valueable resource, and violence does not help produce information, and it does not make sense to have wars over intellectual property, although I would not put it past humans to ever war over anything.
 
No, the thread is ready to go downhill, when somebody points out that....:D

But the truth shall prevail.....
 
Like I have said before, there is really nothing wrong with Africa. Take Nigeria for example, who just concluded another democratic election (if you can call it that). They have cleard their debt with the Paris club and are now actual creditors, its banks are amongst the most competitive in the European market, Goldman sachs has predicted it would be the 11th largest economy in the world by 2025-2050, it has the largest number of cell phone users in Africa and just recently launched its own sattelite in May. Not bad achievements for a republic thats barely 50 years old.
 
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The two sides of Nigeria
 
So what excuse did the Africans have before the whites came along? I mean, think about it ....the Africans had a gazillion years to develop over and above that of the whites, yet the whites have out developed the Africans so much that they still live in mud huts with dirt floors and no industry at all.

Why?

Baron Max
Much of what you say might be right but you should know that white people are smarter than black people, It has to do with geo climatic factors, factors I won't go into details for now. But consider that the average African state is barely 80 years Old. Where was England and America when there were 80 years old? Plus, economicaly, the biggest thing going for white people is patronization. Black people want to look beautiful and they buy from the white man, simple as that. Personally, I see nothing wrong with living in a hut as long as there is plenty of food, which is the ONLY thing wrong with African states to me. I want to go to Africa and experience Africa, not the same old starbucks coffee and paved roads crap.
 
A long time ago, before the industrial age, before the financial banks and all that, your assets were based on how much slaves and land you had(feudal system). White people were able to own huge parcels of land because they travelled form land to land and conquered them. When the banking anf financial reform started, all assets were calculated from the previous system. By that time, half of America and Africa had gone to the whites. The upper half of Africa is still today occupied by white Arabs. In economics, the rich get richer while most of the poor get poorer, hence the staggering wealth and potential of many early century investors. Everything started from resources, and financial wealth is still largely based on resources. With this newly found growing wealth, it was easier to finance experiments and expeditions. How else do you think the Romans paid for the Colossal amphitheatres? As the decades rolled on, majority of the goods of the world were being produced and developed in Richer states, and since goods equal money, it kept prices low(it equals out) and allowed governments to subsidize agriculture. At the same time, poor countries were in the shadows and counldn't benefit from the booming industrial revolution, had very little national goods, and close to nothing domestic goods. This is why poor countries can't just print money and commision projects; the issued credit will only offset an equilibrium economy and set inflation in motion. Economic conditions are like your GPA in college, very easy to drop it but very hard to improve it, especially when you are near rock bottom. Most African republics are about 80 years old, which is the same age of their bank account. However, I am not saying white people are not smarter, by all inferences, they probably are. Who else is going to make you buy a fruit basket for $12 at IKEA when the same fucking thing is made in Senegal and sold for 50 cents. Black people can learn from white people and build their society brick by brick, there's nothing wrong with that. They don't need to be super powers or magnificent buildings and facades, things that make white people happy. There will be time for all that. All they need is widely available and cheap food and energy, especially food. A society will never go anywhere without the basics; without food and energy. These are the pressing issues facing the third world.

"the first billion is the hardest, after that its pretty much easier"- annonymous U.S Tycoon
 
Black people can learn from white people and build their society brick by brick, there's nothing wrong with that. They don't need to be super powers or magnificent buildings and facades, things that make white people happy.

"the first billion is the hardest, after that its pretty much easier"- annonymous U.S Tycoon

In Africa, there is a saying - Economic Colonialism

The people are brain washed in to thinking that they can not do what it takes to be successful. Our African team is here this week. What we learned, we are speechless....Only words that came out are: What? They did that for 30 years? That is a lie. They gave the money and took it away saying you do not know how to spend it?

We are learning and it is so interesting that if I write a book it will make "Guns, Germs and Steel" like a children's story book.

Man's inhumanity towards fellow man is unbelievable


...but you should know that white people are smarter than black people...

And according to the book Bell Curve, Chinese are smarter than Whites. Does that mean whites will go nowhere in the next century except fight and kill each other? Time will tell...
 
I have like the "living is easy in no snow lands" answer, which applies to South America, Pacific Islands etc. - No one needs to think, plan ahead, etc. what they will eat when the ground is snow covered. This gets built into their culture.
 
I have always liked the "living is easy in no-snow lands" answer, which applies to South America, Pacific Islands etc. - No one needs to think, plan ahead, etc. what they will eat when the ground is snow covered. This gets built into their culture.
 
Is that why there is a difference between Mexico and Canada? Then why Spain - still a sick country?
 
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