So Americans lost all their guns back then?
You claimed the British Monarchy did not disarm the peasants under its rule - that the authors of the 2nd Amendment, whose family and lineage were that disarmed and oppressed peasantry, and who faced attempts by the Crown to disarm them, had no immediate and striking example of a central government (a monarchy, in this case) disarming its citizens for the purpose of oppressing them.
That was ridiculously false, and I have gone to some length - completely unnecessary in an honest discussion - to make its falsehood explicit.
Once again..
The
Monarchy did not disarm the "peasants".
I mean, the Monarchy did not have this kind of power since Henry VIII. Understand yet?
And in the UK, disarming the populace was not to continue to oppress them. It was to protect the crown. Groups or "peasants" loyal to the sitting monarch or members of parliament were armed by the State, to ensure the monarch was protected against invading forces or other bloodlines connected to the monarch who wished to take over the crown.
So?
It created great hardship, and abetted oppression, and was clear in the memories and education of the authors of the 2nd Amendment.
It wasn't the disarming that created hardship in Scotland.
Of course. Already stipulated, above, three or four times now. Do you have a reason for posting that common knowledge here - some connection between that and our current political difficulties in enacting sane gun control?
Well it doesn't seem to be common knowledge, since you keep misrepresenting history to suit a narrative, that frankly, comes across as being somewhat paranoid.
Put simply, there is very little chance of the US Government or elements going rogue and taking over the country and requiring the populace to be armed to such an extent to protect yourself from it.
Or as you put it:
You only have to be able to neutralize death squads and the like - small scale terrorist outfits.
Seriously?
I mean, at first I thought you were joking. But then I realised that you were not joking.
Put simply, you have an exceptionally well armed military that if militia groups, such as white supremacists and whatnot, decided to overthrow the Government and burn the Constitution they keep flouting in everyone's faces, I would imagine the military would be called in to handle it, or your equally well armed police forces. Requiring the populace to be 'well armed' to deal with such a paranoid threat, would basically result in a circular firing squad.
Uh - hello? How willfully and idiotically oblivious do you have to be to miss the ongoing and necessary efforts to prevent plantation slaves in the Americas from arming themselves? The laws, the sadistic punishments, the dogs, the mercenary cadres of enforcers, the continual and blatant threat of revolt - - that's extraordinary, that post.
"Uh - hello?", what part of what I said actually said otherwise?
My point, iceaura, was that slaves were already disarmed before they ever set foot on your shores, before the authors of the Constitution were even a twinkle in their parents eyes. And the inherent hypocrisy of the stance of 2nd amendment supporters in regards to African American, Native Americans, (not to mention Muslim Americans, Hispanics, and other ethnic minorities) cannot be ignored while touting this bizarre paranoia and neurotic beliefs that 'they're comin' fer ye guns' because 'tyranny', etc.. I mean, it's almost comedic. Well, it would be funny as batshit if thousands of people weren't dying because of your 2nd amendment.
Your right to bear arms is for white men to bear arms and always has been.
And no, I am not suggesting arming minorities. I mean, your attempts to misrepresent what I have said, historically and currently.. Damn dude. Really?
So?
Are you somehow switching sides here - arguing for the necessity of firearms, pointing to the oppression of the systematically disarmed Blacks and Reds as examples of what central government disarming of its peasantry leads to? That was my argument. You didn't like it, from me.
"Blacks and Reds"?
The fuck?
Refer to above.
Low. Low for a long time - generations. Which is an amazing and quite unusual accomplishment or state of affairs, deserving of recognition and gratitude - only a fool would screw around with its foundation unless absolutely necessary.
Rule: If you have by some wonderful chance ended up with a complex working system, leave it alone. Don't change anything (John Gall: "Systemantics").
Of course. It's better to have tens of thousands of people die each year, because ya know, "only a fool would screw around with its foundation unless absolutely necessary".
If as many people died from a defective product as victims of gun violence in the US under the guise of the 2nd amendment, there would be a national recall, the manufacturer fined up the wazoo and the product probably banned.
