typical animal
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In every discussion on GMOs and on what we should do about the big corporations there seems to be a few of these "village idiots" who comes along to say:
"hay guise, it's okay because the gmos are fine, we've been eating gmos for hundreds of years, you must NO NOTHING about scince lol"
....and from then on the debate gets ruined with stupidity. Genetically engineered modifications, such as arbitrary insertions and deletions of huge strands of DNA, do things with are simply impossible to do with conventional breeding even if you were given millions of years to breed this way or that... literally infecting the organisms with foreign DNA and trying about 200 times until one is forcibly taken up. The idea that you could just randomly insert and delete DNA like this, going from one kingdom to another, and it would all turn out okay is just bonkers. We have not co-evolved with randomness for billions of years. Where do you think humans came from? Why do you think we're like this??? Only by co-evolution with these other organisms. GMO scientists do NOT know exactly what they're doing with one gene to change colour, that is ridiculous. Huge strands of DNA get moved about and then the species is put through some tests and if nothing bad shows up it's decided they are allowed to go through.... never mind the fact that these are SUBOPTIMAL. They are inferior in some ways that may be quite subtle and make it through tests. Randomness =/= co-evolution. subtle =/= hippy nonsense. derp derp derp derp, it's not that hard a concept.
Dogs are something that have been hugely bred for example, but they retain the same basic structure and system and instinct and almost everything of the common wolf and can practically all interbreed. Wheat has been grown to be tall, enlarging or downsizing a particular plant is quite easy to do with breeding but there are typically limits on how far you can go with this without the species falling apart - eg. the Great Dane is pretty much as large a dog as you're able to get without highly chronic problems. Are some people really so clueless and uneducated that they believe that this is ANYTHING like genetically modifying an organism? Are these people all 17 years old? Where do they come from?
You don't understand anything about evolution if you believe that such ad hoc arbitrary instructions put into organisms would simply make no difference greater than spraying them to give them a different colour. The pro-GMO scientists do know there are dangers and it's not "just the same as regular food lolz". No person who even considers that idea should ever be allowed to speak about science again for as long as they live. When it comes to risk factors, OBVIOUSLY the corporations are going to take risks with the environment, that's only natural. Again even the pro-GMO scientists accept this.
The key point is that DNA is self-replicating. There is no going back. Once a GMO is out there it can cause incredible devastation. If anyone was able to modify and release any GMO into the world.... which is becoming more a reality by the day..... it would just be curtains. Just the same as if just anyone was easily able to make an atomic bomb.
But this topic isn't about trying to get into another stupid debate about GMOs, it's asking why uneducated people think this to begin with. Who gives them this idea? Where does it come from? Is there some pro-GMO propaganda in the US we don't get in europe?
I know where religious stuff comes from (bibles, churches etc.), I'm just honestly trying to understand the mindset of these individuals.
I really mean all of this, this topic is NOT about arguing GMOs but rather discussing a mindset, a phenomenon. I am legitimately NOT trying to attack or insult anyone, if you are one of those people this topic is not for you.
"hay guise, it's okay because the gmos are fine, we've been eating gmos for hundreds of years, you must NO NOTHING about scince lol"
....and from then on the debate gets ruined with stupidity. Genetically engineered modifications, such as arbitrary insertions and deletions of huge strands of DNA, do things with are simply impossible to do with conventional breeding even if you were given millions of years to breed this way or that... literally infecting the organisms with foreign DNA and trying about 200 times until one is forcibly taken up. The idea that you could just randomly insert and delete DNA like this, going from one kingdom to another, and it would all turn out okay is just bonkers. We have not co-evolved with randomness for billions of years. Where do you think humans came from? Why do you think we're like this??? Only by co-evolution with these other organisms. GMO scientists do NOT know exactly what they're doing with one gene to change colour, that is ridiculous. Huge strands of DNA get moved about and then the species is put through some tests and if nothing bad shows up it's decided they are allowed to go through.... never mind the fact that these are SUBOPTIMAL. They are inferior in some ways that may be quite subtle and make it through tests. Randomness =/= co-evolution. subtle =/= hippy nonsense. derp derp derp derp, it's not that hard a concept.
Dogs are something that have been hugely bred for example, but they retain the same basic structure and system and instinct and almost everything of the common wolf and can practically all interbreed. Wheat has been grown to be tall, enlarging or downsizing a particular plant is quite easy to do with breeding but there are typically limits on how far you can go with this without the species falling apart - eg. the Great Dane is pretty much as large a dog as you're able to get without highly chronic problems. Are some people really so clueless and uneducated that they believe that this is ANYTHING like genetically modifying an organism? Are these people all 17 years old? Where do they come from?
You don't understand anything about evolution if you believe that such ad hoc arbitrary instructions put into organisms would simply make no difference greater than spraying them to give them a different colour. The pro-GMO scientists do know there are dangers and it's not "just the same as regular food lolz". No person who even considers that idea should ever be allowed to speak about science again for as long as they live. When it comes to risk factors, OBVIOUSLY the corporations are going to take risks with the environment, that's only natural. Again even the pro-GMO scientists accept this.
The key point is that DNA is self-replicating. There is no going back. Once a GMO is out there it can cause incredible devastation. If anyone was able to modify and release any GMO into the world.... which is becoming more a reality by the day..... it would just be curtains. Just the same as if just anyone was easily able to make an atomic bomb.
But this topic isn't about trying to get into another stupid debate about GMOs, it's asking why uneducated people think this to begin with. Who gives them this idea? Where does it come from? Is there some pro-GMO propaganda in the US we don't get in europe?
I know where religious stuff comes from (bibles, churches etc.), I'm just honestly trying to understand the mindset of these individuals.
I really mean all of this, this topic is NOT about arguing GMOs but rather discussing a mindset, a phenomenon. I am legitimately NOT trying to attack or insult anyone, if you are one of those people this topic is not for you.