``Should'' and ``do'' are two different things. By all interpretations, ``Death to America'' is pretty clear.
And in what respect do Americans ``look past'' pictures as the one you linked to?
Why do americans, dislike arabs, or muslims?
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``Should'' and ``do'' are two different things. By all interpretations, ``Death to America'' is pretty clear.
And in what respect do Americans ``look past'' pictures as the one you linked to?
yeah, propably you should.
i knew two japanese womens, they are my friends,
but now they went back to japan,
anyway, yes, you should see things by your eyes to judge, it's the best decision, and sure you have a long list,
tunisia or lebanon, are not the only two contries in the world after all
there is japan, france, peru, u.k., china...
i would love to go to japan, china, india, spain, and NY
I think they just understand it in a different way than you do. They feel the same way about you, that you aren't a true Muslim because you don't defend the promotion of Islam by force if necessary.
I wonder how Americans are portrayed in the media in the Arab world? I wonder how much you know about us?
Depends on the news source. Most Arab media gives balanced reporting and is more global in outlook than US media, which is more provincial. Arab news is more like Asian news and covers perspectives on the developing world from local experts.
a view of the common ones I usually access
http://www.arabnews.com/
http://english.aljazeera.net/
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/
Shadow - exactly
Sam - I agree completely with your last post. I hold AlJazeera.net to a high degree as well.
Sam - I agree completely with your last post. I hold AlJazeera.net to a high degree as well.
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i do beleive to defend on islam by force if it was really really needed, i don't beleive in violnce,
but if for example, people torutures muslims, like they did to black people,
and killing muslims toaday, i beleive that we shouldnt stay just silent, we should do something, peacefully, is the first try, but toaday, if we are going to make a war, surely, we are goign to make a global war, also, i don't beleive in wars is the ways to solve problems, also violence
anyway, i do get pissed off, when some one start to mock on my relegion,
anyway, how can you judge, if i'm a true muslim, or not, while you know nothing about islam,
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maybe i'm wrong and you know,
so, why you think so?
i werent going to post this if i werent a true muslim, or the other topics that i asked to be blocked cause of the agressive reactions of people
i do beleive to defend on islam by force if it was really really needed, i don't beleive in violnce,
but if for example, people torutures muslims, like they did to black people,
and killing muslims toaday, i beleive that we shouldnt stay just silent, we should do something, peacefully, is the first try, but toaday, if we are going to make a war, surely, we are goign to make a global war, also, i don't beleive in wars is the ways to solve problems, also violence
anyway, i do get pissed off, when some one start to mock on my relegion,
anyway, how can you judge, if i'm a true muslim, or not, while you know nothing about islam,
?
maybe i'm wrong and you know,
so, why you think so?
i werent going to post this if i werent a true muslim, or the other topics that i asked to be blocked cause of the agressive reactions of people
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you wonder how?we're not like you, like what you mean, on our media,
if you mean the news channels that shows the war,
yes, america is the cause of suffering of iraq, palastine, and other nations that it invaded them,
in the media in general, what kind of stuff you mean? we watch alot of films, and american shows, we every single details about your life style, while you don't know anything about us, just that images that your media shows.
you wonder how?we're not like you, like what you mean, on our media,
if you mean the news channels that shows the war,
yes, america is the cause of suffering of iraq, palastine, and other nations that it invaded them,
in the media in general, what kind of stuff you mean? we watch alot of films, and american shows, we every single details about your life style, while you don't know anything about us, just that images that your media shows.
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yes, america shows only what works best for it, and what is necerry, to make people think that the u.s.a in the best contry in the world, the contry of freedom and peace, yeah right, what peace? you mean racism?
yes, america shows only what works best for it, and what is necerry, to make people think that the u.s.a in the best contry in the world, the contry of freedom and peace, yeah right, what peace? you mean racism?
Oddly enough, I've had the impression that I saw a similar topic before.
Too bad that I'm not US American.., but really, all the Persians and Arabs I've met seemed to be quite respectable people. They're doing their job, are generally rather outstandingly well-clothed for Western standards. And if I'm being honest..I've never ever asked anyone in real life what his religion was because it's not particularly relevant for me..wait, maybe once or twice.
But I do admit that I DO have a general questionable attitude towards monotheistic religions, but generally speaking it's really nothing personal.
Too bad that I'm not US American.., but really, all the Persians and Arabs I've met seemed to be quite respectable people. They're doing their job, are generally rather outstandingly well-clothed for Western standards. And if I'm being honest..I've never ever asked anyone in real life what his religion was because it's not particularly relevant for me..wait, maybe once or twice.
But I do admit that I DO have a general questionable attitude towards monotheistic religions, but generally speaking it's really nothing personal.
I suspect the notion of "true Muslim" is a matter of opinion, since Osama Bin Laden might not consider you to be true, and you might not consider him to be true. Why do you think that non-Muslims can know nothing about Islam?
lulz, that is really interesting.
Well do you see the Klan marching in Washington anymore no they looked past the bigotry of what them people stood for well at least some americans have cant speak for you that. The people in the picture you posted were and are extermists just like the link I posted.
I didn't really understand the first sentence, but when we see massive protests against America, and (for example) leaders of the Arab world appear at rallies advocating the same, it makes it kind of hard to write off such behavior as ``just a bunch of Arabs exercizing their freedom of speech''.
This would be like (say) Bush appearing at a Klan rally.
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I don't think I participated in that thread. On many issues I agree with your position and don't have anything to add, so I have no reason to chime in unless you're being treated unfairly or someone needs moderating for some other reason.
I'm not disputing that. The topic of this thread is "why do Americans dislike Muslims" and I'm merely pointing out that that hatred is not universal. My people tend to like Indonesians, to the extent that they even know who they are, and they're extremely sympathetic to the Kurds and to the people of Bangladesh. If the title of the thread were "Why do Americans dislike Muslim Arabs," that would probably be more difficult to argue with.
Yeah well I wouldn't push that metaphor too far if I were you, considering all the awful things you Abrahamists believe your imaginary god has done to his "children." I really can't understand why the Jews love that god; according to their mythology he has done nothing but shit on them for 3,000 years.
The American sense of humor is pretty raw, and Americans are a rude people. This is something a lot of foreigners don't like about us. Perhaps you should start a thread titled "Why do <pick a population> hate Americans?"
Look Sam, the OP asked for an explanation of why Americans dislike Arabs and Muslims. I assume it was a serious question and that answers would be welcome. I have given you several reasons why many Americans dislike Arabs and Muslims. I have not said that those reasons are valid, honorable, or even coherent. And I have certainly not defended them. I personally don't hate Arabs and I think my character is well-enough established on this website that I don't need to defend it against your disingenuous accusation. Perhaps you've heard the old saying, "Don't shoot the messenger"?So yeah, continue to pepper your posts with negative attitudes to Muslims and all
I don't feel any differently about Muslims than I do about Christians and Jews: Religion is a spectrum. The people who fall toward the end of that spectrum which accepts religion as a collection of metaphors that help them lead a good life, and maybe have a trace of cognitive dissonance when their fundamental belief in a god is challenged, generally don't cause any problems. The ones at the other end who take their absurdities literally and make irrational decisions based on them which impede the functioning and growth of civilization--well those are the assholes.
And if your grandmother walks into a bank looking like a robber, don't come crying to me if she gets shot.
That may still be true. The Daily Show sent a reporter to Tehran a couple of months ago. This is a show that doesn't pull any punches and thrives on iconoclasm. The reporter could not find anyone with a negative opinion of America, and that became his schtick for the series, which as I recall ran for a whole week. He kept asking people why they hate America and they kept responding, "What are you talking about? I love America. My American iPod is full of American music and I'd like to vist my friend's cousin who lives there." Believe me, Jon Stewart would have loved nothing better than to air an interview with an Iranian who explained why he hates America. Unfortunately his correspondent couldn't get an interview with Ahmadinejad.
Huh??? The whole point of this thread is to explore the reasons why (some) Americans dislike Arabs and Muslims. Very few of my people dislike them for their religion, although there are some. The reason in almost all cases is politics. How can we have this discussion if we can't talk about politics? Especially with someone like Sam hanging around who cleverly misinterprets things in order to make her points fraudulently, so everything has to be explained in clinical detail to keep her from overwhelming the thread with her disingenuous trolling.
I guess the reporter never made it out of the city, to the countryside?
I'm going to go out on a limb and declare that to be the second-most hackneyed trope about Iran.
You should go visit the Persian district in Westwood some time, and marvel at the bookstores with fawning shrines to the Shah. Not exactly what I'd call "liberal."
Not that they're necessarily representative of the majority of Iranian-Americans, but you did say "all."
It is not all that much harder for Iranians to get student and tourist visas to the US than any other comparably sized country. Easier, in some cases, if they have family here, which many do.
I've lost count of how many I know; more than a dozen, for sure. As I expect does anyone who attended a major research university in recent years, especially in CA.
Likewise you'd be surprised at how many Iranian-American celebrities and public figures we've got around here: Christiane Amanpour, Goli Ameri, Pierre Omidyar, Jimmy Delshad, Maz Jobrani, etc.
Although they often call themselves "Persians," and not "Iranians."
Oh OK I see how it goes Americans can be excused from being extremists but any other race color or creed are just terrorists OK I see what side the fence you are apparently looking from. And what happened to the US on Sept 11 is and was a terrible thing but I did not see the call to arms when Timothy McVey decided to kill a bunch of Government people oh and BTW manged to take out a daycare too. Where was the call to arms for the internal terrorists to America. Oh wait they are the same colour and race were they not a bit hard to single them ones out..
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