Why do americans, dislike arabs, or muslims?

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You're being disingenuous again and I'm calling you on this intellectual dishonesty, which will be reported to the Administrators for their consideration.

The same admin that can barely read whole sentences? And needs three people to comprehend a whole sentence? lol

I remember, you had very little to say on that momentous occasion. At least, in the public fora.

And thirty years after the Tehran Hostage Crisis we are virtually in love with the Iranian people. Their struggle against Ahmadinejad is front-page news.

And yet, it would take hardly anything at all for a volunteer American army to kill a million Iranians, just like the last seven years of Americans attacking Iraq and Afghanistan

That kind of love, we can all do without. If it were a parent, Family services would call it "abuse"

I remember attending a talk organised by Iranian students in the US - in order to talk about avoiding war with Iran; it was composed of similarly "leftist" Americans who kept cracking jokes about preemptive wars. Not surprisingly, the Iranian students were silent and unamused, watching liberal Americans laughing and joking about people being blown up in their country.


So yeah, continue to pepper your posts with negative attitudes to Muslims and all ;) and :D about it. Just don't expect us to join in when you compare our conservative grandmothers to bank robbers.
 
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so, why most americans, when some budy say, i'm an arab, or when he ask him about his relegion he says i'm a muslim, he says,
oh my god!!!
and he'll think that he's an extremist, dictatoric, terrorist, and primitive,
or if he talks to a girl, and she tell him that she's a muslim if he saks her, he'll think that she's wearing that hijab like in the middle east, with they call it, burka, that one that covers the face, and all in black,
not all effcorse, but while you talk to an european or an asian, most times, nothjign will come into his mind, just think you're a normal pearson just like him, doesnt matter what relegion do you follow,
but american...

This is just a guess, but probably because of pictures like this:

deathtoamerica.jpg


This is pretty much a no-brainer, right? I mean, how many people in Arab countries do you see who love America and Americans? Hate breeds hate.

I mean---humans are pre-programmed to make generalizations. I'm sure if we saw Palestinians waving American flags that weren't on fire, or if we heard speeches from leaders in the Arab world that don't involve (say) calling for Israel to be wiped off of the map, we'd have a more dapper outlook.

Just a guess...

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And it's not true that Europeans aren't subject to the same prejudices. See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article398782.ece , for example. Other countries are passing legislation to culturally assimilate muslims (i.e., make them more European). There are no such programs in America, as far as I know.
 
Clearly words are more relevant than actions. After all Americans have actually brought death to their countries for the last 60 years.
 
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I mean, how many people in Arab countries do you see who love America and Americans? Hate breeds hate.
According to everyone I've met - OK, three people - who has traveled in Iran, at least up until ten years ago the people of Iran liked Americans a lot.

Not too long ago it was pretty much universal, from eyewitness experience, that of all the Middle Eastern countries Iran had the most American-friendly and compatible people overall.
 
According to everyone I've met - OK, three people - who has traveled in Iran, at least up until ten years ago the people of Iran liked Americans a lot.

I agree. My office mate left Iran slightly before the revolution, and all of the people in his family love America. He has uncles named ``Nixon'' and ``Johnson''. The Iranians I have met in America all seem to be pretty liberal people, and all very reasonable. But there's a selection bias, right? Do the Iranians who hate Americans (I'd estimate 50%, give or take, after the recent election) ever bother actually coming to America, even if they COULD get visas?

Anyway, the point is most Americans don't know any Iranians. And lacking any first-hand experience with the culture, you have only second-hand references, which tend to be of the sort I linked to above.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory, or anything, but there is a simple reason that most Americans ``hate'' Arabs---I put hate in quotations because it's not really the right word.

Likewise, I would say that most of the people you see in that picture carrying ``Death to America'' signs don't actually know any Americans. They only know what they've been told, and what their friends think, etc. So those people are just as ignorant as the gun-toting evangelical white dude from Nebraska.

Not too long ago it was pretty much universal, from eyewitness experience, that of all the Middle Eastern countries Iran had the most American-friendly and compatible people overall.

Yeah I agree. I think the turning point started with the embassy bombing in Kenya, and the attack on the USS Cole, and was ultimately completed by 9/11. The view of the middle east changed from a bunch of rich oil sheiks in the desert to a bunch of mujaheddin waving AK47s in front of black flags with anti-American slogans in Arabic.
 
Irrelevant.

Read the OP.

Indeed, its by a Tunisian. Who asked:

so, why most americans, when some budy say, i'm an arab, or when he ask him about his relegion he says i'm a muslim, he says,
oh my god!!!
and he'll think that he's an extremist, dictatoric, terrorist, and primitive,
or if he talks to a girl, and she tell him that she's a muslim if he saks her, he'll think that she's wearing that hijab like in the middle east, with they call it, burka, that one that covers the face, and all in black,
not all effcorse, but while you talk to an european or an asian, most times, nothjign will come into his mind, just think you're a normal pearson just like him, doesnt matter what relegion do you follow,
but american... not all effcorse...
hates islam, or arabs, or anything related to them

Not an Iranian. :rolleyes:
 
Exactly, which I don't think that Tunisian adolescent is aware of, it would be like talking about Venezuela when asked about the Inuit.
 
So I thought about this a bit.

Is there no anti-American sentiment in Tunisia?
 
Not even in Gaza, Americans travel there all the time. There might be in Lebanon, because of the "birth pangs of the new Middle East" [I don't think they liked that] but overall, most Middle Easterners distinguish between crappy governments and the people living under them.
 
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We've been deceived by our government often enough that a huge segment of the population is immediately skeptical of anything they say that's provocative. See my history of the Baby Boomers and the Generation Gap, which is all over this website. By 1979 when a large fraction of the Boomers had finished their university degrees, that fraction were familiar with the Cold War political overlay in the Middle East and they knew that the Shah was a puppet installed by the CIA shortly after WWII. The anti-American feelings of the Iranians were understandable to them, and they were a powerful counterbalance to the older Americans, who were ready to declare war.

Jimmy Carter was an accidental President like Obama (Big Bird could have defeated Gerald Ford, Nixon's appointed VP) and he was as "clueless" as Obama. Yet as a true Christian and--by political standards--a pacificst, he trod very carefully through the Iranian Hostage Crisis and avoided a military solution. He actually sent a small group of commandos on a rescue mission, which was totally bungled (we pacifists don't make good Commanders-in-Chief) and ended in disaster before they got close to the Embassy.

When the hostages were freed, all you can say about American opinion of Muslims is that it was divided, not to mention complicated. The Boomers were already becoming impatient with Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians, but the generation that is still campaigning (finally successfully) to end drug prohibition was enraged at the Turks for their draconian prosecution of an American with drugs in his luggage.

We did not yet understand that "clueless" President Carter had created the Afghan force that would evolve into the Taliban, as a move in the chess game against the Russians, in which the entire Middle East was our chessboard and its people merely pawns. So at this point we were "cluelessy" waiting to see how politics in the Middle East would develop. We got our answer two decades later, on 9/11.You're being disingenuous again and I'm calling you on this intellectual dishonesty, which will be reported to the Administrators for their consideration.
  • You've read enough of my posts on this website (I know this because you've responded to many of them) to know that I understand history better than most Americans and I know full well the role of the European powers and the Cold Warriors in the shaping of modern Middle Eastern Politics.
  • You know that I'm not an Arab-basher, and that I'm an equal-opportunity atheist who holds Christianity, Judaism and Islam in equal contempt. I would be delighted if we could ship all the fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Muslims off to a separate planet where they could happily go on killing each other in the name of their imaginary god and not keep catching us in the crossfire.
  • The question in the OP was about "Americans" as a people, and you have changed it to me as an individual. My answers explain why Americans, as a people, feel the way they do, and they are rather carefully worded to emphasize my distance from the consensus. Any inconsistencies in rhetoric (due to the fact that I'm not being paid to write this and so don't proofread it as well as my professional work) must surely be easily identified as errors--especially by you, who are quite familiar with my opinions, including my continued solidarity with you on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
My answers pertain to the American people, not to me personally. The American people, as a demographic group, knew nothing of the CIA coup that installed the Shah. The intellectuals among the Baby Boomers did, but they were a minority of the population in 1979. Plenty of Boomers were dropouts who traveled along with their cohorts for the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, attended all the protests, and voted for leftist candidates, but they had no idea what they were supporting--just like their counterparts on the right. In addition, not all the Boomers were leftists, as we learned in 2001 when a Rhodes Scholar Boomer left the White House and a drunken frat-boy warmonger Boomer moved in.

All in all, the leftists who typify the Boomer generation in the press were a brake on American rightist politics, but their influence was not uniform in all political arenas. They had a tremendous impact on race relations, the environment, the growth of the teachers' lobby that is now bankrupting California, and the spread of the welfare state, but as they grow older they have shifted to the right with their disdain for science, their religious fundamentalism and their irrational risk management.

The latter is illlustrated by their refusal to spend a few billion dollars to install breathalyzer interlocks in all new cars, which as the fleet turns over would save one hundred fifty thousand lives per decade from drunk driving, while they commit trillions of dollars, give up their freedoms to the Homeland Gestapo, make this country a pariah state, and piss off one billion Muslims, in a dubious attempt to save the three thousand lives lost to terrorism in that same decade.Your use of the word "all" is inflammatory and another instance of disingenuity. The majority of Americans live in cities, where they encounter Muslims in real life, and virtually no Muslims wear turbans and veils in America except diplomats from other countries and their wives. There is no stigma attached to wearing beards in America. I have one and so do several members of Congress, newscasters, and other prominent public figures.

At the very least, Americans understand that Muslims differ from one another as much as any people. We are constantly bombarded with news reports from the war zones in the Middle East highlighting the common people who do not hate America or support the terrorist movements. There is considerable support for the Palestinian cause in America, even among its Jewish community.

And thirty years after the Tehran Hostage Crisis we are virtually in love with the Iranian people. Their struggle against Ahmadinejad is front-page news.



OK, stop right there, ok?
our topic is not politics,
stop it, and stay on topic,
as i said, NO POLITICS
:)
just a friendly request, and i would realy appresiate it, if you stop talking about politics
;)
 
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This is just a guess, but probably because of pictures like this:

deathtoamerica.jpg


This is pretty much a no-brainer, right? I mean, how many people in Arab countries do you see who love America and Americans? Hate breeds hate.

I mean---humans are pre-programmed to make generalizations. I'm sure if we saw Palestinians waving American flags that weren't on fire, or if we heard speeches from leaders in the Arab world that don't involve (say) calling for Israel to be wiped off of the map, we'd have a more dapper outlook.

Just a guess...

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And it's not true that Europeans aren't subject to the same prejudices. See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article398782.ece , for example. Other countries are passing legislation to culturally assimilate muslims (i.e., make them more European). There are no such programs in America, as far as I know.


what do you are waiting, from people, wich u.s and israeil are killing and taking there lands, killing hundreds of people every day,
what are you waiting for, a welcome post, maybe, hey america, we love cause you're killign us,
hey israeil, we love you cause you're killing people and stealing lands,
????
what answer do you want they to say, hey, we love to be killed???
anyway, let's stay away from politics
ok?
pleas, NO POLITICS
 
You have to understand, Shadow, Americans are like the husband who beats his wife everyday and then feels hurt that she doesn't love him. :p
 
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this picture is propably in palastine, or iraq, or other contries in the area,

also, we don't hate americans, we hate america, not americans, we hate the american politics and governers, or some of the people on the media that keep insulting, every race, and the bunsh of raicsts,
but those kidn of people, are not the majority thank god,

as for israeil, yes, we hate it, you know why, and you don't need to ask,
we hjate israeil, but not jews,
in tunisia, we have chritians, jews and muslims, there's also a big churche in the capital, and a big jews temple in the island of Djerba,
 
What do you as a Tunisian think about Americans?

Tell us your experiences
 
what do you are waiting, from people, wich u.s and israeil are killing and taking there lands, killing hundreds of people every day,
what are you waiting for, a welcome post, maybe, hey america, we love cause you're killign us,
hey israeil, we love you cause you're killing people and stealing lands,
????

Hi shadow:

Do you really think Americans look past these types of pictures?

I don't know how things are in your part of the world, but most Americans don't bother to separate countries on a map, and (as SAM points out) the difference between hostile governments and the people that live under them. (I actually have some ideas about why this may be the case.)

So when people in America see a bunch of brown people chanting ``Death to America'', we don't bother to dig too deeply into why they're burning effigies of our president.
 
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So I thought about this a bit.

Is there no anti-American sentiment in Tunisia?


no, not even in another arabic contry, but there's always peopel who hate america, but don't hate the american people, even when they meet them, they just be normal, and hospital and usual,
we don't hate anyone,
but we hate america's wars politics, and other stuff,
 
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Hi shadow:

Do you really think Americans look past these types of pictures?

I don't know how things are in your part of the world, but most Americans don't bother to separate countries on a map, and (as SAM points out) the difference between hostile governments and the people that live under them. (I actually have some ideas about why this may be the case.)

So when people in America see a bunch of brown people chanting ``Death to America'', we don't bother to dig too deeply into why they're burning effigies of our president.


exacltly, we don't hate americans, but there politics,
as in normal days, we don't actually kare, it don't even pass in our minds,
but when you may ask, you may find that we don't like your goverment, but we like the contry, i mean, Las Vegas, NY, Hollywood!!!, every budy watch american films,
:)
 
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