Why did the 9/11 hijackers select those targets
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invert_nexus said:
Whirlwind opines...
In my opinion, the four airliners should have attacked "only" the Pentagon at its four points of the compass. KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! (Killing innocent civilans at the WTC, as we did in Panama (Funny, and not a "peep" from the American public!) while arresting Manuel Noriega - 6,000 innocent civilians massacred by America's finest - was not good as a public relations ploy!).
Pentagon: This "CHAMBER OF CHILLS" where some of the most god awfull crimes in the history of humanity have been conceived and carried out by the Pentagon CIA/NSA Gestapo SHOCK TROOPS against mostly small, poor, impotent nations of non-white people.
This includes the mass murder and torture of hundred's of thousands of the people of Central America by the US' CIA, taxpayer resources, and the US' partner-in-crime, Israel's effervescent chicanery.
Also, includes the worst saturation bombing and chemical environmental attack in the history of the world = Vietnam. The massacre of over 750,000 innocent human beings in the "illegal" bombings of Laos and Cambodia circa 1970's; the utter destruction of Nicaragua (the World Court award of $2 billion to the government of Nicaragua for the wanton destruction of one of the poorest nations in the Western hemosphere in 1984 and received a stiff middle finger from the Ronald Reagan Whitehouse).
Yassir, WTC, "WHAT GOES AROUND - COMES AROUND"
(Background music: "Don't cry for me Argentina" in C-minor.)
Whirlwind....
Tell 'em its true 'cause "Whirlwind said it!"
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I stumbled across this discussion while searching for some information about the heat capacities of different steel alloys, but was bored at the time and proceeded to read the thread.
In case anyone happens to read this again, and for some reason finds crazymike's oft-repeated but mostly misunderstood points to be worth bothering to consider, I'll give an overview of why mike has failed to convice me.
I'd first like to note the nature of the open-minded scientist's discussion. More often than not, a disagreement is met with, "Oh you just don't believe me because I totally blew your mind by turning your world upside down, man! You've got to escape the paradigm!" Or something like that. And the reference to some "hard-core physics" website just blew me away, because, as Maddox says, "Hey, this article is great but you know what would make it better? If I could read another article in the middle of it."
In addition, no plausible motive has been given for anyone to have gone to the length of getting some kind of massive laser to finish what the planes started. Wouldn't it have been enough for thousands to die and the buildings to slowly burn down or be condemned? Was there some top-secret x-files type conspiracy leader watching the planes crash who said, "well, that was pretty good, but it needs some more 'punch.' Break out the IR lazer!"
As for the "melting steel" argument, steel does become more malleable as it reaches elevated temperatures, long before it actually reaches a melting point. One grade actually undergoes a phase transformation at about 1333 degrees Farenheit (that's around 723 C I believe), which is characterized by its increased softness and toughness. Other grades of steel, with different carbon contents and different alloyed metals, do have higher phase transformation temperatures, but we're talking a maximum difference of a few hundred degrees Farenheit in the extreme for the kinds of steel that were in the towers. All it would take for a beam to begin to buckle is a decent-sized spot of austenite, and once it started buckling, you have the friction caused by shear stress within the beam adding to the thermal energy of the system, which spawns more phase changes, which causes more failure.
There were many more factors in the collapse of these buildings, but I think I've demonstrated that you at least know jack about metallurgy, government conspiracies, and reality in general, crazymike. I hope you get to read this. Looking forward to your reply. Will it have a listing of all of your points to date? I hope so! That would totally change my mind.
In case anyone happens to read this again, and for some reason finds crazymike's oft-repeated but mostly misunderstood points to be worth bothering to consider, I'll give an overview of why mike has failed to convice me.
I'd first like to note the nature of the open-minded scientist's discussion. More often than not, a disagreement is met with, "Oh you just don't believe me because I totally blew your mind by turning your world upside down, man! You've got to escape the paradigm!" Or something like that. And the reference to some "hard-core physics" website just blew me away, because, as Maddox says, "Hey, this article is great but you know what would make it better? If I could read another article in the middle of it."
In addition, no plausible motive has been given for anyone to have gone to the length of getting some kind of massive laser to finish what the planes started. Wouldn't it have been enough for thousands to die and the buildings to slowly burn down or be condemned? Was there some top-secret x-files type conspiracy leader watching the planes crash who said, "well, that was pretty good, but it needs some more 'punch.' Break out the IR lazer!"
As for the "melting steel" argument, steel does become more malleable as it reaches elevated temperatures, long before it actually reaches a melting point. One grade actually undergoes a phase transformation at about 1333 degrees Farenheit (that's around 723 C I believe), which is characterized by its increased softness and toughness. Other grades of steel, with different carbon contents and different alloyed metals, do have higher phase transformation temperatures, but we're talking a maximum difference of a few hundred degrees Farenheit in the extreme for the kinds of steel that were in the towers. All it would take for a beam to begin to buckle is a decent-sized spot of austenite, and once it started buckling, you have the friction caused by shear stress within the beam adding to the thermal energy of the system, which spawns more phase changes, which causes more failure.
There were many more factors in the collapse of these buildings, but I think I've demonstrated that you at least know jack about metallurgy, government conspiracies, and reality in general, crazymike. I hope you get to read this. Looking forward to your reply. Will it have a listing of all of your points to date? I hope so! That would totally change my mind.