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Why did the 9/11 hijackers select those targets
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cosmictraveler said:
Oh please, don't give me the 'land of the free' speech, when getting a blowjob is illegal in some states!
You want to talk about control, censorship and 'freedom'? Then why has Miramax been prevented from distributing Micheal Moore's new film? Because the USA is in the grip of large companies, who suck up to the govt for tax breaks, that's why, and they will stifle dissent. 'Freedom of speech' my arse.
crazymikey said:
Mikey, I have two friends who live in NYC who actually witnessed the WTC disaster, working close to the Twin Towers, and being on their way to work that morning. they didn't hear explosions, or see lasers, they saw aircraft. In fact, I haven't heared any witness claim such things.
Were you there? Did you witness those things?
And no, it was't a car bomb. The car bomb in '93 only killed six people, and failed to bring down the Tower, so Al Qaeda used a bigger vehicle for their next attempt, and succeeded.
phlogistician said:
1. I am not disputing the event; as in planes hitting the towers.
2. Infrared lasers are under the visible spectrum. If a high powered laser attack did take place, it would not be seen with the naked eye.
3. Some witnesses did claim to hear several explosions and squibs
4. Review the physics of what happened independently:
1. 8:45 a.m. A hijacked passenger jet, American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston, Massachusetts, crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center, tearing a gaping hole in the building and setting it afire.
2. 9:03 a.m.: A second hijacked airliner, United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston, crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center and explodes. Both buildings are burning.
3. 10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, plummeting into the streets below. A massive cloud of dust and debris forms and slowly drifts away from the building.
4. 10:28 a.m: The World Trade Center's north tower collapses from the top down as if it were being peeled apart, releasing a tremendous cloud of debris and smoke.
5. 5:20 p.m.: The 47-story Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex collapses.
This is from only two plane attacks:
1. WTC-1 is hit first, the most hardest
2. WTC - 2 is hit 2nd with less impact than WTC-1
3. WTC-2 free falls first and is completely vapourized into micronic dust, yet it was hit 18 min after WTC-1. Duration since attack: 62 min
4. WTC-1 free falls and is completely vapourized into micronic dust: Duration since attack: 103 min
5. WTC-7 free falls and is completely vapourized into micronic dust, leaving a large crater behind, and it was not even hit by anything, and nor is it connected to the other buildings.
Physics
1. Steel, concrete and human beings, all have a different speciefic heat capacity. They are all vapourized at the same time.
2. Steel has a specific heat capacity of 1538 degrees celsius. The jet fuel was burning at 1000 degrees celsius, and most of it was burnt up in the initial explosion. Further more, there was little oxygen for the fuel to burn.
3. There was 200,000 tons of steel and concrete and thousands of humans.
Sum up:
The temperature could not have reached 1538 degrees celcius
Most of the fuel was used up in the initial explosion.
There was not enough oxygen for the fire to burn, and there was little fire seen, it was mostly billowing smoke.
There was too much much material to burn.
If jetliners could do this, why would they have to invent high octane liquid and solid explosives. I've never them vapourize their targets either.
Then look at the logistics and sheer implausibility of the event:
1. 19 terrorists hi-jack several high profile airliners, armed with box-cutters, with little pilot experience.
2. US with all it's technology; spy satellites; AEW(Airbone Early warning) that can monitor thousands of miles of air space, has supersonic jets and missiles, as well electronic jamming technology, cannot stop 3 hi-jacked plane attacks, even when they are hours apart.
3. The US has already had pre-emptive measures intact for airliner and missle attacks. What happend to those measures?
4. Immediately they know it's Osama Bin Laden behind the attack. Next, they attack Afghanistan, and declare a war on terrorism. Immediately they attack Iraq on false pretexts.
5. Then the media find out that they already had advance warning of attacks on 9/11. Bush denies it.
6. They now use this war on terrorism to justify every single action they take; occupation of Iraq, possible invasion of Iran, thousands of police forces and armed troops being trained to survive any nuclear, biological or chemical attacks by terrorists and to take care of dissenting civilians.
7. Now, spreading scares of major terrorist attacks around the US elections, possibly leading to them being cancelled. AS WELL AS: Discarding the consitution, declaring a dictator of their choice, and enacting martial law all over. Thousands of police forces, troops and police helicopters have already been readied to deal with civil disobediance.
They have lead the world to beleive all of this is because of WTC terrorist attacks. They have blown out the terrorist factor so out of proportion, so they can justify what they are going to do.
What can terrorists do? Car bomb attacks? Yet what is being prepared for, is as bad as a nuclear holocaust. The real terrorists here are the US and the NWO itself, and they are going to take us all down.
If you think the US lying to us is preposterous, then you better read up on history of US policy and government.
What is about to happen, is going to be so horrific, and evil, that billions are going to die all over the world. Their agenda, leaked out by the garden plan, and certain high level witnesses, is identical to the terms of the German holocausts.
If you're going to just ignore this, because it sounds so evil, then you're doing it at your own expense. The more people ignore this, the more leeway this NWO has in doing what it wants to do. Then again, it's probably too late now, it's just a matter of years before everything starts happening.
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The real terrorists are the American government? I must be missing something here? The very definition of the word terrorist is to achieve an aim or purpose, non democratically, by whatever means possible, involving the destruction of property and the killing of innocent people at no risk to the toerrorist who has fled the scene beforehand. The terrorist who invariably leave little or no warning of his illegal activity, who laughs with glee and celebrates a mass killing or destruction. The terrorist who is a rank coward because he does not fight the legitimate fight, in a recognisable uniform and hides behind the pathetic banner of an excuse when all the terrorist wants to to play with guns and explosives as he is a psychopath in reality. Is not accountable to any individual government or nation or its people. A terrorist who cannot gain what he wants via legitimate means, is usually in the extreme minority, without support from anyone with half a brain. Uses the rhetoric of the loony left and gutter press to pursue his twisted ideology. The same loony left who think that - you get the point yet?
Gagarin said:
I can choose NOT to buy what the corporations are selling and build my own stuff if I want. I can write a book about anything or talk about anything without the corporations telling me what I should talk or write about. I can travel anywhere, own my own property, get a free education, and invent things that have never been invented. To bad that's not the case in the Mid East isn't it?
Mikey, why did the steel in the WTC have to melt? Explosives wouldn't have melted the steel either, would they? In fact, during demolition, charges aren't placed so they destroy the steelwork.
Once the structural integrity of the concrete is lost, the steelwork has to bear all the weight of the building, which is it incapable of, so the building collapses.
You talk it up a storm Mikey, and might even convince the gullible with your pseudo scientific cut and pastes. Just the gullible, mind.
Once the structural integrity of the concrete is lost, the steelwork has to bear all the weight of the building, which is it incapable of, so the building collapses.
You talk it up a storm Mikey, and might even convince the gullible with your pseudo scientific cut and pastes. Just the gullible, mind.
Red Devil said:
Real life is mechanical. You have been misguided by your own contempt for these seemingly cold-blooded terrorists, yet the mechanism of your contempt is the same as the mechanism of their contempt for you. You are not willing to understand their motivations and their humanity, and they likewise, are not willing to accept your motivations and humanity. So what happens? There is conflict, endless conflict and blood shed, that affects millions of innocent people.
You will attack them, invade their country, and kill millions of their innocent men, women and children. They will boil in anger and scream for revenge, and some of them will attack and kill your innocent men, women and children. They will not understand that those innocent people they just slaughtered, had nothing to do with the attacks against their country. Just like you, and others, have branded most of their people as terrorists and supporting war against them, when they have nothing to do with attacks against you.
It is this blind hate and gullibility of people like those terrorists, and of yourself, that dirty politicians capitailise upon. They, the unseen puppeters that are fuelling the fires of this hate and retribution, that are supplying them with the machine and the directives to commit terrorist attacks. These politicians are not fanatics; they are calculating, cold-blooded, highly manipulative creatures, who only care about their own interests and maintaining control and power. They don't give a tosh about their own people.
They have done this, and history is a testimony of this, since the dawn of mankind and they have continued to do so, because there is no end to the foolishness and gullbility of human beings. Do you know, that these dirty pigs, even premeditate attacks against their own people and then blame others. E.g. In India, politicans incite racial revolts against muslims, by killing a few hindu's, and then leading them to believe it was by muslims, and then genocides break out against muslims. What do you think is happening here? Muslim terrorists attack us - and we are condemning the entire muslim race.
This is what they want from you. They want you to support their invasion of muslim countries for their oil reserves and genocides against their people, and your foolish enough to do it. This is exactly why they set-up 9/11. This is exactly why they are scaring us with terrorist threats, so we support them in enforcing martial law and establishing the NWO. This is not just paranoid thinking - it's all out in the open.
You have this childish faith in your government, that they would do nothing like this. I really think you should re-evalulate exactly what your government is capable of?
1. Ordereing the genocide of 300,000 Indonesian men, women and children.
2. The secret injections of 18 Americans with plutonium, one of the most toxic radioactive substances known to man, during the years 1945-1947.
3. Exposing more than 100 Alaskan villagers to radioactive iodine during the 1950s.
4. Feeding 49 retarded and institutionalized teen-agers radioactive iron and calcium in their cereal during the years 1946-1954.
5. Exposing about 800 pregnant women in the late 1940s to radioactive iron to determine the effect on the fetus.
6. Injecting 7 newborns (six were black) with radioactive iodine
7. Exposing the testicles of more than 100 prisoners to cancer-causing doses of radiation.
8. Exposing almost 200 cancer patients to high levels of radiation from cesium to cobalt. The AEC finally stopped this experiment in 1974.
9. Deceiving the the entire the world with false propaganda in the Gulf war
10. Genocides against African Americans.
11. Being the sole country in the world to have used nuclear weapons against people, not once, but twice, even when Japan asked for the end of the war a month earlier.
Your government, that you so blindly support, has a history of deceiving populations, killing innocent men, women and children, commiting inhumane acts on innocent people, and supporting dictators around the world. Right in front of your eyes.
So why do you think they cannot do it again? When every piece of evidence, and every fact is clearly showing it's about to commit atrocities of unprecedented magntitude, why do you blindly just ignore it all.
Listen to me, and trust it; the government is about to throw away the constituion, which means all your rights, and they are going to establish full martial rule. They have trained thousands of police forces, and armed troops, and created hi-tech weapons to be used against YOU. WTC was just a tip of the ice berg, just watch how bad it gets. If you would rather just wait like a sitting duck, then it's your choice, but it's at your expense.
I am quite convinced there is nothing we can do about it now, but I am not going without a fight, and I'm not going to just let billions of people die like this.
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phlogistician said:
Why the steel had to melt? That is exactly the explanation they gave. If the concrete melted, then every onlooker and video camera locked onto the WTC building, would have seen it gradually melting away. Fires would clearly have been seen exploding out of every floor, and the steel framework would have been left partially standing, or fallen away from the building.
Instead, the buildings imploded, and everything, concrete, steel works and humans were vapourized into micronic dust in an instant. It was exactly like a controlled demolition. Now you say, can explosives vapourize an entire building and leave the fire blazing for weeks? I am not sure, and that is exactly why it is suggested, that it was a high energy laser weapon, that works by super heating the atoms of a mass until they self-disintergrate into micronic dust.
I can tell you this much. It was definitely not a plane that caused WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7 to self implode(WTC-7 was not even hit)
And if people are believing me, they are being the exact opposite of what you accused them off. They would not be believing a guy called crazymikey, they would be believing what makes sense from what happened. On the other hand, you would be the gullible one, for ignoring everything that happened, despite how implausiable and impossible it is, and instead swallow what they've told you, whole. That is what is called gullibility. And if you still do not question the events, then you're gullible.
Not only the WTC event, but every other event that has happend after it, and that has been justified by WTC:
1. Discarding the consitution
2. Martial law
3. Invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq and now possibly Iran
And every other event that has preceeded WTC, and lead up to it:
1. Prior knowledge of attacks
2. US attacking WTO protestors with thousands of armed police men with new weapons
3. Government witnesses leaking out information of NWO agenda
4. Secret laws being passed that allow US to invade any country, take away anyones property, or detain people en masse.
5. Shadow government now known to be existing thus confirming claims of all those in the past that have pupported it's existence, it's agenda and it covert ties with alien factions.
6. Plans for genocides and training of police forces, armed tropps, troops and air force to deal with civilians(WTO was a taster)
Look, add it all up. This approach, of having proof will get you nowhere. Proof for you means, having it confirmed, and having it confirmed means - TOO BLOODY LATE!
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Red Devil, I'm not sure where you heard that, but how the hell would an entire building heat up to 5000 degrees in an hour, on one load of low temperature jet fuel, most of it burnt up on impact, and the lack of oxygen and blllowing smoke. Anyone who knows their physics, will tell you it's impossible.
Think to yourself. If planes, on one load of jet-fuel(80 cents a gallon) could vapourise entire buildings into dust, why would we be using high octane explosives in missiles, heck, why would we even have any need for laser weapons! Why would we be melting steel in industrial complex with acetone oxygen blow torches?
Jet fuel is cheap, if it had such a destructive or superheating potential, then we would be using it. And we are not using it, because it cannot do that. It's like trying to melt a block of iron with a lighter. It's not going to work.
Think to yourself. If planes, on one load of jet-fuel(80 cents a gallon) could vapourise entire buildings into dust, why would we be using high octane explosives in missiles, heck, why would we even have any need for laser weapons! Why would we be melting steel in industrial complex with acetone oxygen blow torches?
Jet fuel is cheap, if it had such a destructive or superheating potential, then we would be using it. And we are not using it, because it cannot do that. It's like trying to melt a block of iron with a lighter. It's not going to work.
Jesus now I've heard it all. Where are those aliens when you need them?
When I will go to sleep tonite I'll pray to the saucer people, you know the ones that do all the abductions and ask them to make a special abduction. I'll ask them to abduct crazymikey and deliver him to the Oliver Stone planet where everybody is paranoid and nothing is as simple as it appears.
Or maybe Crazymikey is an escapee from the Oliver Stone planet, in that case I can probably get a reward for turning him in.
When I will go to sleep tonite I'll pray to the saucer people, you know the ones that do all the abductions and ask them to make a special abduction. I'll ask them to abduct crazymikey and deliver him to the Oliver Stone planet where everybody is paranoid and nothing is as simple as it appears.
Or maybe Crazymikey is an escapee from the Oliver Stone planet, in that case I can probably get a reward for turning him in.
Ahem, so Red devil, because somebody said it was burning at err 5000 degrees, it must mean it is true? And if it true, the fact that jet fuels burns out at low temperature, doesn't mean anything? Are you that gullible?
Greco, please, say something constructive, or don't say anything at all. I am saying what I saying, because I don't want to see billions of people, and this Earth, go to hell. This is why I risking my own credibility, allowing several of you to insult me, and finding every bit of evidence that I can find, to try and convince you, so that we can go ahead and DO something about it.
Yet, if you don't want to do anything about it, then please don't attack me, for doing something about it. I am willing to risk my own life to help you people. I don't have to take what I do from some of you. I don't have to be spending all my free time trying to get you people to realize what's happening - but I do - and what do you do? You just insult me or ridicule me, despite everything I am doing for you.
Yet, if you don't want to do anything about it, then please don't attack me, for doing something about it. I am willing to risk my own life to help you people. I don't have to take what I do from some of you. I don't have to be spending all my free time trying to get you people to realize what's happening - but I do - and what do you do? You just insult me or ridicule me, despite everything I am doing for you.
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You don't have to actualy melt steel to weaken it, like a blacksmith who only heats iron red-hot to shape it. Pure iron becomes red-hot at about 700 degrees celcius, well within the range of an ordinary house fire. There is a continuum of weakening. In a massive fire, there is not enough cooling from conduction to prevent heat build-up. There were also many other combustable things in the building.