Why are people against communism?

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United for Communism

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China, North Korea, etc, are not real communist states. They are dictatorships which are no better than the oppressions they upheaved; communism has only existed in the early days of the USSR (pre-Stalin) and in small communities.

And the truth is, though the early days of the USSR were no paradise, the peasant and working class lived infinitely better than they had under the Tzars and oppressive landowners.
 
That's just a way of deflecting the responsibility that communist thought had in creating these societies. What went wrong? If communism can't protect itself from dictatorship, there is a glaring flaw somewhere.
 
spidergoat said:
That's just a way of deflecting the responsibility that communist thought had in creating these societies. What went wrong? If communism can't protect itself from dictatorship, there is a glaring flaw somewhere.
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The glaring flaw is that the capitalist class always finds a way to corrupt or destroy you. That's why, though democracy is desired in the long run, the initial phase (socialism) must be a dictatorship of the proletariat class...which will transform into communism.
 
The flaw in your flaw is that dictatorship, ultimate power, always corrupts, that's why only peaceful democratic transition into socialistic policies, balanced by regulated capitalism to encourage individual ambition, can succeed.
 
That's a compromise with the capitalists. That means we still have hierarchy and social classes. That is wrong.

Socialism isn't a permanent destination, it's a temporary stage on the road to communism. And do you honestly think the capitalist class will allow a "peaceful, democratic transition" into anything?
 
Inequality and hierarchy are a given for life on planet Earth, regardless of the species.
 
Signal said:
Inequality and hierarchy are a given for life on planet Earth, regardless of the species.
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That's they way you have been brought up to think; human nature and human morality change. In the days before civilization (pre-agriculture), human nature was different, less docile, more savage; and human morality has changed with the advent of civilization, and continues to change with the decline of religion and the rise of industrialism.
 
A person can skillfully do only a limited number of tasks.
Therefore, a person can usually have only one occupation.
In an industrialized society, a considerable variety of tasks needs to be accomplished; from the more simple ones to the more complex ones.
There is a hierarchy and inequality of tasks.
Thus, there is also a hierarchy of the people who perform those tasks.
When there is such a hierarchy, there is inequality.

To reduce that hierarchy and inequality, there would need to be some kind of a rotation of jobs; e.g. a person is a director of a powerplant for five years, then they go on to be a street sweeper for the next five years, then they go on to be a dentist for the next five years and so on.

This doesn't seem to be realistic, nor economical.
 
Sinners, the lot of them

United for Communism said:

Why are people against communism?
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Because the fourth chapter of the Book of Acts just isn't Christian enough for them.
 
Signal said:
A person can skillfully do only a limited number of tasks.
Therefore, a person can usually have only one occupation.
In an industrialized society, a considerable variety of tasks needs to be accomplished; from the more simple ones to the more complex ones.
There is a hierarchy and inequality of tasks.
Thus, there is also a hierarchy of the people who perform those tasks.
When there is such a hierarchy, there is inequality.

To reduce that hierarchy and inequality, there would need to be some kind of a rotation of jobs; e.g. a person is a director of a powerplant for five years, then they go on to be a street sweeper for the next five years, then they go on to be a dentist for the next five years and so on.

This doesn't seem to be realistic, nor economical.
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that's not inequality, that's people doing what they are skilled to do. plus, any society is pretty complicated but communism could work if tweaked with the right policies.
 
Socialism with a dictator elected by the people. The dictator word goes, but if he gets out of hand the people have the power to mob up and fuck his shit up. The people control the army, the dictator controls all things that go on with in the state.
 
From Each, To Each

United for Communism said:

Tiassa, I'm not sure I follow.
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From each, to each:

Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet; and distribution was made to each as any had need.

(Acts 4.32-35)​

Remember that American money says, "In God We Trust", as a Christian identity response to the godless Communists.

We're such a Christian nation that the bloody Apostles aren't Christian enough for us.

Of course, neither is Jesus, so ... yeah. Don't know what else to tell you.
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Notes:

Weigle, Luther A., et al. The Holy Bible: Revised Standard Version. Second edition. New York: Thomas Nelson, 1971. Quod.Lib.UMich.edu. August 4, 2011. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/
 
United for Communism said:
And the truth is, though the early days of the USSR were no paradise, the peasant and working class lived infinitely better than they had under the Tzars and oppressive landowners.
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You mean those that were not being mass murdered and repressed by Lenin? Have you forgotten about the forced labour camps [which later came to be known as Gulags]? You think being repressed is better?
 
More or less true. Yet, Communism is intended to free the proletariat, not subject them to a new, socialist form of near-arbitrary rule. It's our enduring flaw, and it cannot be denied, unfortunately. I could mangle Churchill's phrase here I suppose.
 
United for Communism said:
And the truth is, though the early days of the USSR were no paradise, the peasant and working class lived infinitely better than they had under the Tzars and oppressive landowners.
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Yes, but you could say that for the people of Iran under the Ayatollahs.
Better for ordinary people than the corrupt Shah.
 
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The true FATAL flaw in communism is that it fails to take human nature into account. It simply assumes - wrongly!! - that every individual will fully cooperate to provide all the needs of each and every individual.

Yet in any group of people larger than say, two or three families, there will always be those who are lazy and will not do their fair share of work. And what's even worse is that there will always be those who want to control and dominate others. And greed also figures into communism's failure.

Since the human element cannot be eliminated, communism is *always* doomed to failure before it's even implemented. :shrug:
 
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