White Supremacists Gain Ground in Fortress Amerikkka

Everyone in the world has equal rights. There is no good reason to say otherwise.


This is 'truth by assertion' and is an argumentative fallacy.


No. Also notice that diversity doesn't hurt people, while war, genocide, and economic depression do.


So now we are beginning to (very slowly) refine the broad-brush reasoning behind this belief of yours. We have now ruled out that you advocate diversity because it 'makes life pretty interesting', even though this is the answer you gave in your original post. Now we see that you apparently advocate it because it 'doesn't hurt people'. The first natural question to this is: how do you know? The second natural question is: do you therefore advocate anything which 'doesn't hurt people?' ie, something that merely hurts one person is alright?


Please use your brain.


I'm still using my little pinky, because you have not yet shown that it is necessary to use my brain in order to refute your points.




Are you not able to understand Goethe's words? I even took the trouble of using an English translation.
 
Geez, and all this time I thought that there were laws and rules that we have to follow. Ya' mean it ain't true?

Baron Max

Your rights are taken away by society. That doesn't mean that you aren't born with them.
 
Why I Call Myself a Martin Luther King Racist

By John "Birdman" Bryant

I call myself a Martin Luther King racist because I want the best for my race, just like the Rev Martin Luther King wanted the best for his.
Neither MLK nor this writer understood the principle of transcendence. Our "race" is the human race. It split into various ethnic groups during the Stone Age because communication and travel were inefficient so genetic differences were reinforced. Since the invention of civilization at the close of the Stone Age the trend has been in the other direction, toward recombining the ethnic groups into ever-larger and fewer communities: transcendence. The institutionalization of "races" works to the detriment of transcendence by reinforcing our recidivist Stone Age instincts of intolerance of those who are different from us.
Certainly no one faults Rev King for wanting what he wanted
Hardly a true statement. Most of us are kind to the memory of MLK because he was a desperate man taking desperate measures and in the final analysis he thought he was working toward transcendence: the integration of American society. But with hindsight we can see that the result of his campaign was merely the fad of reverse racism: oppression of the majority by their own leaders in an attempt to create equality at an unnatural pace. Sending poorly educated people to college--no matter what the reason for their poor education--and then out into the workforce merely reinforces the stereotype of their incompetence in others, and in themselves it creates a sense of entitlement which works against the need to become competent.
I want my race treated equally under the law. I object to laws which discriminate against whites on the basis of race, such as affirmative action, set-asides, 'historical discrimination' and the like.
We libertarians have always believed in that. We lump it all together under the label of "Affirmative Discrimination." For the reasons I outlined above, no matter how well meant these laws are, "you can never do just one thing" and the second-order effects have been ruinous. A single illustration will suffice: gangsta rap.
I want a man to be judged by the quality of his character rather than by the color of his skin. In particular, I want good men of whatever race to have their good recognized
As I have noted in other threads, the USA and Haiti are the only two countries in the Western Hemisphere that freed their slaves by violent means. We are also the only two countries whose populations are not made up (more or less) of one people who come in all different shades of brown. We libertarians thank Lincoln for the intractable legacy of a 140-year-old war that should never have happened. Not only do black Americans and White Americans still not get along, but neither do Northern Americans and Southern Americans.
I also want people to judge the character of whites as a group by the fact that they have built the greatest civilization on earth.
Oversimplification. Much of this is historical accident, being in the right place at the right time, not any inherent moral or intellectual superiority. The Stone Age region now known as the USA and Canada had never hosted a civilization (because the Aztecs were not given enough time to expand into it) so its resouces were not on the verge of exhaustion. The slow trickle of Iron-Age immigrants from Europe did not overtax those resources so it was easy to build a great country. Previous civilizations had their own fortuitous circumstances. The "non-white" Chinese and Indians did as good a job of creating civilizations from scratch as the Europeans did of borrowing the concept from the Greeks and Romans, who had borrowed it from the Mesopotamians. In some cases better: in the 17th century Japanese cities had public employees sweeping the streets, while Europeans ran a herd of pigs through their cities once or twice a year to eat the trash.
I want people to judge the character of blacks as a group by the fact that they have moved only from the slavery of the plantation to the slavery of affirmative action jobs, television, drug addiction, criminality, prison and 'de welfare'.
Same comment: accident of history. The squalor of the black community is a fabrication of the legislation of the civil rights era because "you can never do just one thing." Many black people my age who remember the bad old days speak fondly of separate towns run by and for black people in which--despite the handicap of Jim Crow--the people maintained high levels of decency. All they wanted, according to my fellow geezers of a different skin tone, was to be treated equally, not specially.
I want freedom from the oppression of other races. In particular, I want to be free from the oppression of blacks who live off my tax money.
You don't have to lecture a libertarian on the evils of confiscatory tax rates. "You can never do just one thing" and the second-order effects of our too-big-for-its-britches government, with millions of civil "servants" working for The Employer Of Last Resort looking for things to screw up, have created the country you see. Would that Affirmative Discrimination were the worst of our troubles.
, and freedom from Jews and their liberal sidekicks who cram 'equality' and 'multiculturalism' down my throat in every possible way
Well even oafs speak the truth occasionally and this guy is still an oaf. He doesn't understand the force of transcendence and he's standing in front of that train. The world is getting smaller. Our lives are affected by things that happen on the other side of the planet. Monoculturalism is no longer an available option so the oafs of the world who yearn to live in the past are going to have to get over themselves. The rest of us have voted and we don't want to backslide toward the Stone Age in which no one was comfortable with anything or anybody different from what they had in their own house.
I want my race to be free from genocidal policies. That means I want to have the freedom to live and work among my own people without the intrusion of forced integration, multiculturalism or the like, whose inevitable result is the destruction of my race.
"Race" is an artifact of the Stone Age. There used to be thousands of "races." Now there are only a handful. Transcendence is inexorable. Occasionally it is held off but not for long. The Dark Ages in Europe--that millennium of ignorance and squalor when Christianity ruled with an iron fist--were one of the longest periods of resistance to transcendence. The Nazis tried to turn back the clock on transcendence and their entire culture was destroyed in the backlash. The same fate surely awaits anyone who tries it in the 21st century with its improved communication and travel.

BTW, "genocide" is an act of violence. The fading away of an ethnic group by intermarriage and assimilation is not genocide. Not to mention calling "white" people an "ethnic group" is really stretching the definition. When I was born people of Italian ancestry were not considered "white."
I want civil rights for whites. That means the right to use my property as I see fit, the right to associate with -- or not associate with -- whoever I choose.
Libertarians are uncomfortable with the inherent dilemma in this. Clearly people must have the right to form communities where they can practice whatever they believe in--if only because we all need to see the results of stupid life choices; lectures are not enough. Yet when those communities grow large, that conflict with the rights of outsiders to enjoy the basics of life such as jobs, education and housing. We have to live with a messy compromise. A private gated housing tract of some specified maximum size can limit itself to people of Anglo-Saxon or Italian ancestry, Catholic or Jewish religion, communist or libertarian economics, symphonic or rock and roll musical taste. A city cannot because cities were invented for the purpose of people learning to live in harmony and cooperation with people unlike themselves. The Friday Night Poker Club in your basement can exclude women or people with Spanish surnames. The Rotary Club cannot because it restricts those people's ability to find work. The little drenn-hole church on the corner can bar the door to gay people. The Boy Scouts cannot because it marginalizes those people from an important part of the experience of growing up as an American.
And the right of free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment.
No argument there. We've seen the second-order effects of outlawing Holocaust denial: All the wackos got to have a festival in frelling Iran, free from heckling. "The best disinfectant is sunshine," as Louis Brandeis said. Keep the cockroaches above the linoleum, where we can keep an eye on them.
** PROPERTY: I want to be able to rent or not rent to whoever I want; or to sell or not sell to whoever I want.
I'm satisfied with the compromise that I don't have to rent a room in the house I reside in to people with children. As I said, individual tracts should be free to form communities, but that did not prove practical. We ended up with entire cities that required all black people to leave at nightfall. This compromise is messy but necessary, and hardly anything to cry over discrimination based purely on "race" is a textbook case of resistance to transcendence anyway. I would be more sanguine about it if it were something more personal like taste in music. I make a lot of money by being one of the few landlords in my townhouse complex who rents to people with dogs.
** ASSOCIATION: I want the freedom to have contact with people of different races, but I also want the freedom to NOT have that contact, if I so choose. That means if I want to live in a white neighborhood, or send my kids to a white school, or have only white employees, then I can do so.
Again, this is a matter of us having tried that and it didn't work. Rednecks became too powerful and the people on the wrong end of their discrimination suffered. It was difficult for minorities to get into any decent school or get any decent job. And again, I would be more sanguine if this were about anything except skin color and native language, two of the most ephemeral aspects of humans.
I want dignity. I do not want to have the media, the government and the courts constantly telling me how 'evil' my race has been, or how much 'white racism' has negatively affected others, or how much guilt I should feel because blacks, Jews and other minorities are constantly whining.
Paybacks are hell, ain't they? The minorities had to put up with this for centuries. I think it's amusing and instructive for us to have to experience what they went through. This too shall pass. Be the big man you claim to be and put up with it graciously. The whole idea is to imagine what it's like not to be comfortably white, Christian, male, and anglophone. If you haven't figured that out yet then you need to be retained in the program for a couple more generations, until your great-great-grandchildren actually believe they're inferior. :)
I want my race to survive and prosper in its historic homeland. For whites, that homeland is Europe and North America. I am perfectly happy to let blacks have their own homeland in Wonderful Africa, to let Hispanics have their own homeland in Meso- and South America, to let Jews have their own homeland in Israel, and to let Asians have their own homeland in Asia. I believe everyone should have his own place in the sun -- I just don't want other people taking mine.
Beep. This is clear resistance to transcendence. The bulldozer of history is going to run this jackass down and nobody's going to shed a tear for him. There were countless little tribes who said that about the other little tribes over the hill. Eventually they were merged into bigger tribes and eventually the bigger tribes were merged into nations. Look at how the French and Germans have learned to get along. The next phase is to merge into one global community. We're halfway there already. This embarrassing redneck commentary from an American jackass is being read on this forum by dozens of people in other countries who are members of our "virtual community." I don't even know the skin color and native language of half the people I'm communicating with here, and I don't give a damn either.
In short, I want my race to be able to say, "Thank God -- Free at last!"
Your race is scheduled for transcendence just like all those that came before it. It's not going away so much as losing its importance. Its members will soon discover that there are many things in the universe far more important than "race" and they're going to associate with the people who have common needs and interests, not skin color, favorite food, and national anthem.

Transcendence: Love it or be rolled over. It's been happening for 12,000 years and it's not going to stop for you.
 
This is 'truth by assertion' and is an argumentative fallacy.

You asked me if they did. I answered that they indeed did. Don't accuse me of truth by assertion when I merely answered your question.

Demonstrate why it is not true that we all have equal rights.

Lord Hillyer said:
So now we are beginning to (very slowly) refine the broad-brush reasoning behind this belief of yours.

Yay us.

Lord Hillyer said:
We have now ruled out that you advocate diversity because it 'makes life pretty interesting', even though this is the answer you gave in your original post.

Geez, you know that was a light-hearted comment, and wasn't intended to be an actual exhaustive, comprehensive argument, right? Was the tone of voice not apparent? I know it was set in text, with no real way of telling what the tone was, but I thought it was obvious.

It's apparent to me that you're now just being argumentative. Caught the Baron bug, have we?

You might say that's a strawman, or an ad hominem, but first you gotta demonstrate that you're genuinely arguing and not just infected with the Baron bug. Only then will I concede this.

Lord Hillyer said:
Now we see that you apparently advocate it because it 'doesn't hurt people'.

No. I'm not against it because it doesn't hurt people. I am against war and genocide. It is one factor that determined my opinion of diversity. Another factor is that you have a better chance to learn about other kinds of people when you're among a diverse group. An environment with diverse people promotes understanding. There are other factors in my opinion, but right now I'm not interested in writing out an exhaustive essay on it.

Lord Hillyer said:
The first natural question to this is: how do you know?

Personal experience. Life observations. Having diverse friends doesn't hurt me. Interacting with diverse people doesn't hurt me. It doesn't hurt anyone else either. Can you demonstrate that diversity has hurt people?

Lord Hillyer said:
The second natural question is: do you therefore advocate anything which 'doesn't hurt people?' ie, something that merely hurts one person is alright?

Now you're just playing semantic games. And poorly.

If you actually thought this through, you would realize that I quite likely consider other criteria than whether or not it hurts someone. Some things don't hurt people, but I'm still against them. I think deeper than that. What about you? I'm not a superficial thinker. Are you?

Lord Hillyer said:
I'm still using my little pinky, because you have not yet shown that it is necessary to use my brain in order to refute your points.

Then you're not paying attention.

Lord Hillyer said:
Are you not able to understand Goethe's words?

You have to demonstrate the relevancy. Because you haven't, a valid point is missing. Thus, I answered, "And?".

Lord Hillyer said:
I even took the trouble of using an English translation.

Aww, how sweet and considerate of you.
 
You asked me if they did. I answered that they indeed did. Don't accuse me of truth by assertion when I merely answered your question.

Demonstrate why it is not true that we all have equal rights.


It is clear that you have abandoned your claim that everyone has equal rights. I myself make no claims regarding anyone's rights or lack thereof.



Geez, you know that was a light-hearted comment, and wasn't intended to be an actual exhaustive, comprehensive argument, right? Was the tone of voice not apparent? I know it was set in text, with no real way of telling what the tone was, but I thought it was obvious.

It's apparent to me that you're now just being argumentative. Caught the Baron bug, have we?

You might say that's a strawman, or an ad hominem, but first you gotta demonstrate that you're genuinely arguing and not just infected with the Baron bug. Only then will I concede this.


More rubbish that fails to advance any point or sustain any argument.


No. I'm not against it because it doesn't hurt people. I am against war and genocide. It is one factor that determined my opinion of diversity. Another factor is that you have a better chance to learn about other kinds of people when you're among a diverse group. An environment with diverse people promotes understanding. There are other factors in my opinion, but right now I'm not interested in writing out an exhaustive essay on it.


Another layer of the onion is peeled away. Now we see that you do not support diversity because 'it makes life pretty interesting' (contrary to your first post); we then see that you do not support diversity because it 'doesn't hurt people' (contrary to your second post); yet, now we see that you support diversity because '[conclusion=] you have a better chance to learn about other kinds of people when you're among a diverse group. [premiss=] An environment with diverse people promotes understanding'. The natural response would be to refute your premiss by citing places where diversity does not promote understanding, such as: Palestine, Iraq, the Indian subcontinent, and Northern Ireland - to name a very few.
 
It is clear that you have abandoned your claim that everyone has equal rights.

Why do you think that?

Lord Hillyer said:
I myself make no claims regarding anyone's rights or lack thereof.

Then how can you find a point of contention in my own claims?

Methinks you've indeed caught the Baron bug.

Lord Hillyer said:
More rubbish that fails to advance any point or sustain any argument.

Keep telling yourself that.

Lord Hillyer said:
Another layer of the onion is peeled away. Now we see that you do not support diversity because 'it makes life pretty interesting' (contrary to your first post);

Give that up already.

I stopped reading your post at that point. It's obvious you're not serious about this discussion. I will not respond to any more posts from you on this particular topic, or any if you resort to this sort of bullshit again.
 
A couple of points:

-I assert that rights are artificial social concepts, but we should promote the idea that all people have them, so they will fight for them (preferably non-violently). This is a recent human concept designed to prevent huge build ups of inequality that lead to violent revolutions.

-Affirmative action is only bullshit in that everyone should recieve a free public education to the graduate level. This is not a burden on society or taxpayers, as it is an investment in society with concrete returns in terms of increased prosperity, larger tax base, decreased crime, and a well informed electorate.

-Favoring the children of alumni is a classic form of white affirmative action at universities in the US.

-Promoting social programs is not communism or socialism in the classic sense. It approaches more the modern European model of democratic socialism. Emerging facts about the effects of industrialism and the interconnectivity of ecosystems mean that some individual freedoms like the freedom to pollute will need regulation, even more so into the future, for the collective good of society and the planet. Freedom of thought and expression, the oppression of which is characteristic of totalitarian socialist regimes, is not a necessary characteristic of democratic socialism.

-No one is racially pure. Identification with a particular race is a cultural decision.
 
Just anyone is communist to you. Cuba is the only commie country in the hemispere. Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, Ecuador, Chile, Argentina and Nicaragua are variants of democratic socialism. Mexico is far from being progressive enough to be socialist. Twin rightwing parties, like the US and yes, they are deeply religious. Roman Catholic. Look it up.
Poverty is the cause of immigration. Same reason my ancestors left Sweden, England and the Netherlands. To escape poverty and seek opportunity. Walls are for countries crippled in fear. Weak in spirit and threatened by their ignorance. That's why the US and Israel need race walls. Name a communist country with a race wall, or any wall.

Mexico is a socialist shithole, and if they aren't communist enough for you, what makes you think they will turn America even more socialist than Mexico?

The only walls communist countries need are walls to keep their citizens in because communism turns countries to shit. Who the fuck would try to break into a communist country?

We need walls to keep all the drunk driving, violent, low IQ, low education peons the fuck out of our country to keep our country from turning into a corrupt socialist shithole lilke Mexcio.
 
Mexico is an oligarchy, or a Plutocracy. It is ruled by an elite few that care little for the welfare of the people. Only through voting fraud are they able to keep power.
 
Neither MLK nor this writer understood the principle of transcendence. Our "race" is the human race. It split into various ethnic groups during the Stone Age because communication and travel were inefficient so genetic differences were reinforced. Since the invention of civilization at the close of the Stone Age the trend has been in the other direction, toward recombining the ethnic groups into ever-larger and fewer communities: transcendence.

Fuck transcendence. The push for this is coming from the global elite who want a dull obedient race of raceless, cultureless, mindless slaves to lord it over for all eternity. In reality people want to be with their own kind and be ruled by their own kind. That is why there are more countries now than 50 years ago even though the major powers have resisted it big time.

The institutionalization of "races" works to the detriment of transcendence by reinforcing our recidivist Stone Age instincts of intolerance of those who are different from us.Hardly a true statement. Most of us are kind to the memory of MLK because he was a desperate man taking desperate measures and in the final analysis he thought he was working toward transcendence: the integration of American society. But with hindsight we can see that the result of his campaign was merely the fad of reverse racism: oppression of the majority by their own leaders in an attempt to create equality at an unnatural pace. Sending poorly educated people to college--no matter what the reason for their poor education--and then out into the workforce merely reinforces the stereotype of their incompetence in others, and in themselves it creates a sense of entitlement which works against the need to become competent.We libertarians have always believed in that. We lump it all together under the label of "Affirmative Discrimination." For the reasons I outlined above, no matter how well meant these laws are, "you can never do just one thing" and the second-order effects have been ruinous. A single illustration will suffice: gangsta rap.As I have noted in other threads, the USA and Haiti are the only two countries in the Western Hemisphere that freed their slaves by violent means. We are also the only two countries whose populations are not made up (more or less) of one people who come in all different shades of brown. We libertarians thank Lincoln for the intractable legacy of a 140-year-old war that should never have happened.

No shit it shouldn't have happened. The southern States seceded and Lincoln attacked them to conquer and it had fuck all with "freeing the slaves". Lincoln wanted to ship them all back to Africa.

Not only do black Americans and White Americans still not get along, but neither do Northern Americans and Southern Americans.Oversimplification. Much of this is historical accident, being in the right place at the right time, not any inherent moral or intellectual superiority.

That's your opinion pal.

The Stone Age region now known as the USA and Canada had never hosted a civilization (because the Aztecs were not given enough time to expand into it) so its resouces were not on the verge of exhaustion. The slow trickle of Iron-Age immigrants from Europe did not overtax those resources so it was easy to build a great country. Previous civilizations had their own fortuitous circumstances. The "non-white" Chinese and Indians did as good a job of creating civilizations from scratch as the Europeans did of borrowing the concept from the Greeks and Romans, who had borrowed it from the Mesopotamians. In some cases better: in the 17th century Japanese cities had public employees sweeping the streets, while Europeans ran a herd of pigs through their cities once or twice a year to eat the trash.Same comment: accident of history. The squalor of the black community is a fabrication of the legislation of the civil rights era because "you can never do just one thing." Many black people my age who remember the bad old days speak fondly of separate towns run by and for black people in which--despite the handicap of Jim Crow--the people maintained high levels of decency. All they wanted, according to my fellow geezers of a different skin tone, was to be treated equally, not specially.You don't have to lecture a libertarian on the evils of confiscatory tax rates. "You can never do just one thing" and the second-order effects of our too-big-for-its-britches government, with millions of civil "servants" working for The Employer Of Last Resort looking for things to screw up, have created the country you see. Would that Affirmative Discrimination were the worst of our troubles.Well even oafs speak the truth occasionally and this guy is still an oaf. He doesn't understand the force of transcendence and he's standing in front of that train. The world is getting smaller. Our lives are affected by things that happen on the other side of the planet.

He perfectly understands this, he's just against it like I am.

Monoculturalism is no longer an available option so the oafs of the world who yearn to live in the past are going to have to get over themselves. The rest of us have voted and we don't want to backslide toward the Stone Age in which no one was comfortable with anything or anybody different from what they had in their own house.

No, we never voted on turning white countries (and only white countries) into future Yugoslavias. Most white people were against it 40 years ago when it started and are against it now.

"Race" is an artifact of the Stone Age. There used to be thousands of "races." Now there are only a handful. Transcendence is inexorable. Occasionally it is held off but not for long. The Dark Ages in Europe--that millennium of ignorance and squalor when Christianity ruled with an iron fist--were one of the longest periods of resistance to transcendence. The Nazis tried to turn back the clock on transcendence and their entire culture was destroyed in the backlash. The same fate surely awaits anyone who tries it in the 21st century with its improved communication and travel.

It was destroyed by the same people who wish to impose a one world socialist slave government on the world. Why you as a "Libertarian" would be in favor of this boggles the mind.

BTW, "genocide" is an act of violence. The fading away of an ethnic group by intermarriage and assimilation is not genocide.

Wrong again!

For the record:

You Have Been Misled As to the Meaning of the Word “Genocide”

You have been taught that nationalism is the primary source of “genocide”—that nationalists perpetrate “genocide” and that ridding the world of nationalism is an important, perhaps the most important step in eradicating the threat of “genocide”.

You have been taught, and are now a believer in, the exact opposite of the truth.

Rafael Lemkin and his work with the Geneva Conventions led the term “genocide” to be incorporated into the Geneva Conventions.

Here is Lemkin’s definition:

“Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity but as members of a national group.”

Cited in “Beyond the 1948 Convention—Emerging principles of Genocide in Customary International Law,” Maryland Journal of International Law and Trade, vol. 17, no. 2, Fall 1993, ppp. 193-226.

The conclusion is inescapable:

Those who have taught you that “genocide can be eradicated by eradicating nationalism” are actually perpetrators of genocide under its proper definition within the Geneva Conventions.

Furthermore, since the pervasive teaching of this ideology has been the primary moral force for the disintegration of, not one, but most national identities during the last half of the 20th century, its teachers have been and are by definition the primary perpetrators of genocide over the last half century.

Posted by James Bowery on Sunday, December 3, 2006 at 03:02 AM | #

Not to mention calling "white" people an "ethnic group" is really stretching the definition. When I was born people of Italian ancestry were not considered "white."

Oh brother, why not just deny that race doesn't exist?

Libertarians are uncomfortable with the inherent dilemma in this. Clearly people must have the right to form communities where they can practice whatever they believe in--if only because we all need to see the results of stupid life choices; lectures are not enough. Yet when those communities grow large, that conflict with the rights of outsiders to enjoy the basics of life such as jobs, education and housing. We have to live with a messy compromise. A private gated housing tract of some specified maximum size can limit itself to people of Anglo-Saxon or Italian ancestry, Catholic or Jewish religion, communist or libertarian economics, symphonic or rock and roll musical taste. A city cannot because cities were invented for the purpose of people learning to live in harmony and cooperation with people unlike themselves. The Friday Night Poker Club in your basement can exclude women or people with Spanish surnames. The Rotary Club cannot because it restricts those people's ability to find work. The little drenn-hole church on the corner can bar the door to gay people. The Boy Scouts cannot because it marginalizes those people from an important part of the experience of growing up as an American.No argument there. We've seen the second-order effects of outlawing Holocaust denial: All the wackos got to have a festival in frelling Iran, free from heckling. "The best disinfectant is sunshine," as Louis Brandeis said. Keep the cockroaches above the linoleum, where we can keep an eye on them.I'm satisfied with the compromise that I don't have to rent a room in the house I reside in to people with children. As I said, individual tracts should be free to form communities, but that did not prove practical. We ended up with entire cities that required all black people to leave at nightfall.

What kind of libertarian are you that restricts peoples freedom of association?
As for the poor black people who aren't welcome in "sundown" towns, there are plenty of black areas in this country where white people are in mortal danger just by being there (of course CNN ignores this and talked about some fucking town in Texas that used to be a sundown town).

This compromise is messy but necessary, and hardly anything to cry over discrimination based purely on "race" is a textbook case of resistance to transcendence anyway.

You mean resistance to genocide?

I would be more sanguine about it if it were something more personal like taste in music. I make a lot of money by being one of the few landlords in my townhouse complex who rents to people with dogs.Again, this is a matter of us having tried that and it didn't work. Rednecks became too powerful and the people on the wrong end of their discrimination suffered. It was difficult for minorities to get into any decent school or get any decent job. And again, I would be more sanguine if this were about anything except skin color and native language, two of the most ephemeral aspects of humans.Paybacks are hell, ain't they? The minorities had to put up with this for centuries. I think it's amusing and instructive for us to have to experience what they went through. This too shall pass. Be the big man you claim to be and put up with it graciously. The whole idea is to imagine what it's like not to be comfortably white, Christian, male, and anglophone.

I am not going to willingly suffer for what other people did in the past.

If you haven't figured that out yet then you need to be retained in the program for a couple more generations, until your great-great-grandchildren actually believe they're inferior. :)Beep. This is clear resistance to transcendence.

Bullshit, my kids and grandkids will probably be even more radical than I am seeing how my family are sheep who see nothing wrong with white people becoming eventual tiny minorities even in their home countries.

The bulldozer of history is going to run this jackass down and nobody's going to shed a tear for him. There were countless little tribes who said that about the other little tribes over the hill. Eventually they were merged into bigger tribes and eventually the bigger tribes were merged into nations. Look at how the French and Germans have learned to get along. The next phase is to merge into one global community. We're halfway there already. This embarrassing redneck commentary from an American jackass is being read on this forum by dozens of people in other countries who are members of our "virtual community." I don't even know the skin color and native language of half the people I'm communicating with here, and I don't give a damn either.Your race is scheduled for transcendence just like all those that came before it. It's not going away so much as losing its importance. Its members will soon discover that there are many things in the universe far more important than "race" and they're going to associate with the people who have common needs and interests, not skin color, favorite food, and national anthem.

Transcendence: Love it or be rolled over. It's been happening for 12,000 years and it's not going to stop for you.

Who the fuck are you? The Borg from Star Trek?
 
Does the diversity of wealth in America predispose it to the potential of socialism (following the Marxist viewpoint that a country must be fully Capitalist before it becomes communist)?
 
Mexico is an oligarchy, or a Plutocracy. It is ruled by an elite few that care little for the welfare of the people. Only through voting fraud are they able to keep power.

I agree that Mexico is an oligarchy run country and a plutocracy but the common plebes have a socialist government. The super rich in our country want to turn the USA into Mexico to become even more rich and powerful.
 
A couple of points:

-Favoring the children of alumni is a classic form of white affirmative action at universities in the US.

Nepotism and ethnic favoritism are not exclusively a white dominion. Why do you think a quarter of the students at Harvard are Jews? When minorities get control of things, they'll be ten times worse than whites ever were.

-No one is racially pure. Identification with a particular race is a cultural decision.

Yeah right. When a pack of blacks attack me for being white I'll say "Yo! I be black just like you mahfahs because I'm down with fitty cent, so go find a real cracker to beat on!"

I'm real sure they'll buy this, apologize and leave me alone.
 
It was destroyed by the same people who wish to impose a one world socialist slave government on the world. Why you as a "Libertarian" would be in favor of this boggles the mind.

Read any books lately?

You could have at least chose something a little more obscure to believe in. Go and have a word with Bo Gritz or get in on some neo-nazi club. Move to the mountains and arm yourself to the teeth. Don't forget not to pay your taxes.
 
Yeah right. When a pack of blacks attack me for being white I'll say "Yo! I be black just like you mahfahs because I'm down with fitty cent, so go find a real cracker to beat on!"

I'm real sure they'll buy this, apologize and leave me alone.
How often does that happen?

Just tell them you're an albino negro.
 
Its not pleasant being harrassed, threatened with violence and made homeless due to ones cultural group, particularly by a gang of immigrants using knives and hanguns - but to resort to the same level in revenge on others is not acceptable .
 
Read any books lately?

You could have at least chose something a little more obscure to believe in. Go and have a word with Bo Gritz or get in on some neo-nazi club. Move to the mountains and arm yourself to the teeth. Don't forget not to pay your taxes.

What the F does this have to do with libertarianism? The One World government that Fraggle wants is the total opposite of libertarianism.

As for this happening, as Fraggle says this is what is happening and anyone who is half awake knows this is the way the World is moving.
 
How often does that happen?

Just tell them you're an albino negro.

How often do blacks attack me personally or whites? If whites, multiple times every single day of the year.

As for albino negro, why don't you go visit Detroit and say hello to the locals and tell me how that strategy works as they move in to kill you.
 
What the F does this have to do with libertarianism? The One World government that Fraggle wants is the total opposite of libertarianism.

I was referring to the one world government thing. I should have deleted the question to Fraggle in conjunction with libertarianism.
 
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